Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
List them and I will deconstruct them one by one...
Durham report: Nothingburger with cheese.
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EatTheRich
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You can start with the Trump tower meeting which was advertised to the Trump family as a chance to collaborate with “the Russian government” and its efforts to help Trump’s campaign.
The internal polling data turned over by Manafort to someone who had previously been identified to Manafort as a Russian intelligence operative.
Trump’s public solicitation of Russian help.
Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Set up by Clinton under a ruse to put "Russians" in a room with Trumpies to further her plan to frame him.
What (exactly) about that is, well, "treasonous?" He owed the guy's associates money and was trying to weasel out of paying them through intimidation.
A joke - if he was actually soliciting their help, only a complete moron would think he would do so in a public forum.
EatTheRich
President
1. You have only your self-serving narrative as evidence of that. At any rate it is ironclad proof that at the highest levels of the Trump campaign they sought to collude with Russian intelligence, whether the promised cooperation with the Russians was forthcoming or not.
2. The obvious reason Russian intelligence wanted it was to help them target their pro-Trump intervention in the election. Why did Trump choose a no-name academic indebted to Russian mobsters to be his campaign chair, anyway?
3. Trump is a complete moron, and the public solicitation may have been insisted on by the Russians to compromise him.
There are two accusations...one is collusion and the other is conspiracy. One is a crime, the other is not. Collusion can simply be a statement that criticizes the current administration's policy towards Russia with the implication that if Trump won the policies would be better...the hint of a reward is circumstantial evidence of collusion.
Conspiracy would be if the campaign actually told the Russians of what kind of help they needed....like sharing internal polling showing what states they needed some kind of help in...or maybe hinting that if embarrassing information could be made public...the republican platform could be altered to eliminate military aid for Ukraine...
1. Bullshit...was that anywhere in Durham's report? No.
2. Do you have any evidence that Manafort owed Kilimnick money? Does it bother you that Manafort owed money to a Russian agent? Did Manafort turn that over to see if Kilimnick and the Russians could help them with states where they were weak?
WTF would be a threat to Kilimnick? How would it possibly be intimidating? What kind of crook did Trump hire...trying to intimidate someone to avoid paying money owed.
They more you dig up crap like this the more you paint yourself into a corner...
Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
So now you think Durham is the sole arbiter of what happened in the "Russian collusion" hoax?
Yes, it does - Manafort was a dirt bag. How the f*ck could the "Russians" help Trump win individual states? Which states that he won did these Russians "deliver?". That he was "connected" to the guy who was going to be elected POTUS. Well, it could have been worse - he could have hired this guy:
This doesn't look like a "corner" to me...
Fer Chrissakes...the Russians did thousands of social media accounts. Hoping they could help is out of the question, in your opinion? Not mine.
You ask if they were successful..
That is totally irrelevant...did they try?
No, Durham is a complete waste. He was your champion to find corruption or criminal acts. He didn't find shit.
Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Or they were trying to get evidence on the "Russians" so they could turn them in. Of course, as we now know, the premise for the meeting was a ruse, the "Russian" they met with made no effort to help Trump cheat, AND met before and after the meeting with Glenn Simpson, the guy who was employed by Hillary's campaign to frame Trump for "Russian collusion." Looks to me like it was clearly designed to give Hillary a high level "Russian contact" to tar Trump with.
If it is so obvious, then you should be able to point to the specific "Russian" efforts directed at the specific states he was losing that he ended up, with their help, winning. Good luck!
Yes, he is. Or maybe monkeys flew out of his butt and "forced him" to publicly beg the Russians for "help" - an effort that only served to help Hillary frame him for "Russian collusion" (that argument refutes itself).
EatTheRich
President
1. Simpson was not employed by the Clinton campaign, and his efforts were clearly to investigate the Russian intelligence intervention.
2. You have no idea what help Veselnitskaya offered or didn’t offer at that meeting. But what we do know is that the Trump campaign leapt at the chance to cooperate with Russian intelligence (as opposed to the Reagan campaign for instance which when approached similarly by the Soviets went straight to the FBI instead).
3. How many pro-Trump memes shared on this forum turned out to have originated in Russia? The whole campaign theme of the last few weeks, which rescued his campaign after his recorded admission of serial sexual assault threatened to scupper it, was based on the Russian-hacked Wikileaks emails.
4. Why wouldn’t Russia want Trump on the record asking them for help?
