Electoral fraud? Impossible the lefty election "experts" tell us...

[middleview]

It only takes 500 - 1000 per precinct (counting only the big city ones). So you think because they didn't give you access that no one has it? That's absurd!

Do you think election officials are 100% committed to securing files on their servers? Why would they have to come in via ballot drop boxes?

Yes, the full records would include such data as the date it was mailed out, and signatures can be forged, well, as quickly as you sign your name - none of which is checked in a "recount." That's why we need a full forensic audit of these inner city precincts where the Biden campaign ran up the vote.

The signatures are checked as absentee ballots enter the process. The number of envelopes must match the number of absentee ballots...you cannot just bring thousands of ballots in to the tabulators without going through the "cutters" who validate the envelopes.

An audit would check the numbers...

 

[Raoul_Luke]

The signatures are checked as absentee ballots enter the process. The number of envelopes must match the number of absentee ballots...you cannot just bring thousands of ballots in to the tabulators without going through the "cutters" who validate the envelopes.

An audit would check the numbers...

Yes, an audit would. A recount doesn't. Yet you claim the recounts "prove" that Biden won and argue against audits.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

People get cancelled on virtually everything if they dare to post actual evidence of the fraud that was rampant in the 2020 election.

Translation: I have no such evidence. But Dear Leader Trump tells us there was fraud and he really won. Let it be written, let it be done.

;-)

 

[middleview]

Yes, an audit would. A recount doesn't. Yet you claim the recounts "prove" that Biden won and argue against audits.

1. A recount shows that there was no hack of Dominion machines, since the hand recount matches the machine count.

2. Which of the battleground states has not done an audit? Your understanding of the election process is razor thin.

Poll books must match the number of in person ballots returned from individual precincts. Poll book signatures are matched at the time the voter signs in to vote.

Absentee ballots delivered by the US Postal Service are counted and chain of custody docs are signed by the deliverer and the receiver.
Absentee ballots delivered by the elections officials who picked them up from the drop boxes. Two officials are assigned to pick up each drop box and they too must sign chain of custody docs. Ballots are counted and reported from each box.

Basically audits are being done in real time. You seem to think batches of ballots magically appear at the tabulators and nobody actually knows where they came from.

Again....forged ballots couldn't possibly be delivered to the election HQ before the in person ballots are counted, otherwise you'd run into duplicate ballots from a lot of voters. So you wait until 2am after all updates have been done so that the available names of those who had not voted in person could be identified. So then you start forging names on envelopes. You also need to update the appropriate records for the serial numbers of absentee ballot envelopes, date they were mailed, date they were requested...and how do you know what the signature looks like?

Then, once you've got your forged absentee ballots, how do you get them into the election HQ in the middle of the night? The post office isn't delivering then and none of the drop boxes are being collected then.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

1. A recount shows that there was no hack of Dominion machines, since the hand recount matches the machine count.

2. Which of the battleground states has not done an audit? Your understanding of the election process is razor thin.

Poll books must match the number of in person ballots returned from individual precincts. Poll book signatures are matched at the time the voter signs in to vote.

Absentee ballots delivered by the US Postal Service are counted and chain of custody docs are signed by the deliverer and the receiver.
Absentee ballots delivered by the elections officials who picked them up from the drop boxes. Two officials are assigned to pick up each drop box and they too must sign chain of custody docs. Ballots are counted and reported from each box.

Basically audits are being done in real time. You seem to think batches of ballots magically appear at the tabulators and nobody actually knows where they came from.

Again....forged ballots couldn't possibly be delivered to the election HQ before the in person ballots are counted, otherwise you'd run into duplicate ballots from a lot of voters. So you wait until 2am after all updates have been done so that the available names of those who had not voted in person could be identified. So then you start forging names on envelopes. You also need to update the appropriate records for the serial numbers of absentee ballot envelopes, date they were mailed, date they were requested...and how do you know what the signature looks like?

Then, once you've got your forged absentee ballots, how do you get them into the election HQ in the middle of the night? The post office isn't delivering then and none of the drop boxes are being collected then.

"Chain of custody" ends where? At the very top there is some one (or small cadre) that has (final) control. They don't need to get into the election HQ in the middle of the night because they are already there. If they forge ballots, who is checking those? Your entire defense here goes up in smoke if it is the polling officials who are adding the votes (late into the morning after the polls close).

Regardless, the premise of the movie was that there was an army of paid activists who went around and collected the absentee ballots of the infirm, elderly or apathetic, and taking them en masse to the drop boxes. That's consistent with the "Zuck bucks" allegations:

Team Zuckerberg Masks the Heavily Pro-Democrat Tilt of 2020 Election 'Zuck Bucks,' Study Finds

Above, a data visualization of big "Zuck buck" grants in Election 2020, skewing Democrat blue.

www.news-journal.com

If that is how that money was used, was that "legal?"

 

[middleview]

"Chain of custody" ends where? At the very top there is some one (or small cadre) that has (final) control. They don't need to get into the election HQ in the middle of the night because they are already there. If they forge ballots, who is checking those? Your entire defense here goes up in smoke if it is the polling officials who are adding the votes (late into the morning after the polls close).

Regardless, the premise of the movie was that there was an army of paid activists who went around and collected the absentee ballots of the infirm, elderly or apathetic, and taking them en masse to the drop boxes. That's consistent with the "Zuck bucks" allegations:

Team Zuckerberg Masks the Heavily Pro-Democrat Tilt of 2020 Election 'Zuck Bucks,' Study Finds

Above, a data visualization of big "Zuck buck" grants in Election 2020, skewing Democrat blue.

www.news-journal.com

If that is how that money was used, was that "legal?"

Chain of custody for absentee ballots at election HQ starts with election workers at the area where they validate signatures, addresses, envelope serial numbers and open the envelopes to separate ballots from envelopes. Then the ballots go to the tabulators where someone again signs the chain of custody documents. After being counted the ballots go to storage where again, someone signs for them. At what point do you think someone snuck hundreds or thousand of ballots into the process? How would that happen long after the polls have closed, given nobody is delivering from the Post office and nobody is emptying drop boxes? When did the people at the top get access to those ballots?

Yes, the people are in Election HQ, but how did they manage to bring thousands of ballots in from where ever the signature forgers are...and again, remember that they'd have to be doing it after all in person ballots were counted.

D'Souza alleged an army of paid activists were collecting ballots...but failed to prove any of his allegations. He failed to show payments to anyone. He failed to show that the people on video he obtained were in any way engaged in ballot harvesting. He failed to show any of the ballots being dropped off were fraudulent.

Has it hit you yet that those ballots were being dropped off legally in every single case investigated by the GBI and FBI?

 

[Raoul_Luke]

Chain of custody for absentee ballots at election HQ starts with election workers at the area where they validate signatures, addresses, envelope serial numbers and open the envelopes to separate ballots from envelopes. Then the ballots go to the tabulators where someone again signs the chain of custody documents. After being counted the ballots go to storage where again, someone signs for them. At what point do you think someone snuck hundreds or thousand of ballots into the process? How would that happen long after the polls have closed, given nobody is delivering from the Post office and nobody is emptying drop boxes? When did the people at the top get access to those ballots?

Yes, the people are in Election HQ, but how did they manage to bring thousands of ballots in from where ever the signature forgers are...and again, remember that they'd have to be doing it after all in person ballots were counted.

D'Souza alleged an army of paid activists were collecting ballots...but failed to prove any of his allegations. He failed to show payments to anyone. He failed to show that the people on video he obtained were in any way engaged in ballot harvesting. He failed to show any of the ballots being dropped off were fraudulent.

Has it hit you yet that those ballots were being dropped off legally in every single case investigated by the GBI and FBI?

Y0u keep harping on the fact that (fake) ballots can't come in through the official channels, but you have yet to explain how thousands of ballots can't possibly be added at the precinct after the polls have closed. They wouldn't have to bring them in if they just add them in at the end of the line.

Because the "mule" said they were dropping off family ballots? Of, course, why didn't I see that? Why would they lie???

 

[middleview]

Y0u keep harping on the fact that (fake) ballots can't come in through the official channels, but you have yet to explain how thousands of ballots can't possibly be added at the precinct after the polls have closed. They wouldn't have to bring them in if they just add them in at the end of the line.

Because the "mule" said they were dropping off family ballots? Of, course, why didn't I see that? Why would they lie???

did you read the link I gave you?

 

[middleview]

Y0u keep harping on the fact that (fake) ballots can't come in through the official channels, but you have yet to explain how thousands of ballots can't possibly be added at the precinct after the polls have closed. They wouldn't have to bring them in if they just add them in at the end of the line.

Because the "mule" said they were dropping off family ballots? Of, course, why didn't I see that? Why would they lie???

So how did a poll worker at a precinct get hundreds or thousands of ballots? How did they then find the time to look up voters for that precinct who hadn't voted and hadn't requested an absentee ballot? The they'd have to forge signatures on the poll book...and the other workers at the precinct would have to be in on it.

 

[middleview]

People get cancelled on virtually everything if they dare to post actual evidence of the fraud that was rampant in the 2020 election.

talk to @God of War, @Sickofleft or @protectionist if they've been penalized for their posts.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

So how did a poll worker at a precinct get hundreds or thousands of ballots? How did they then find the time to look up voters for that precinct who hadn't voted and hadn't requested an absentee ballot? The they'd have to forge signatures on the poll book...and the other workers at the precinct would have to be in on it.

$400 mil will buy you a lot of paper and ink, so there's that. They wouldn't have to forge signatures on the poll book because they weren't in-person votes. They would have to forge the signature on the paper ballot, but who is checking those at 3 AM?

 

[middleview]

$400 mil will buy you a lot of paper and ink, so there's that. They wouldn't have to forge signatures on the poll book because they weren't in-person votes. They would have to forge the signature on the paper ballot, but who is checking those at 3 AM?

Nobody signs their ballot...they sign the envelope for absentee ballots. Are you thinking they could add a bunch of absentee ballots behind the in person ballots and nobody would notice? Pretty stupid suggestion.

 

[EatTheRich]

So how did a poll worker at a precinct get hundreds or thousands of ballots? How did they then find the time to look up voters for that precinct who hadn't voted and hadn't requested an absentee ballot? The they'd have to forge signatures on the poll book...and the other workers at the precinct would have to be in on it.

As would the poll watchers from both parties who were present at every step of the collection, validation, and tabulation process.

 

[middleview]

$400 mil will buy you a lot of paper and ink, so there's that. They wouldn't have to forge signatures on the poll book because they weren't in-person votes. They would have to forge the signature on the paper ballot, but who is checking those at 3 AM?

1. So you are now accusing democrats of printing up forged ballots? Were these absentee ballots or in person ballots?
2. If In-person ballots then they'd have to forge signatures in the poll books AND they'd have to know the serial numbers of ballots delivered to that precinct...they couldn't just make those up...
3. If absentee they'd have to print up envelopes and forge signatures on the envelopes.
Again, they'd have to alter the data base for when these ballots were mailed out as well as serial numbers on envelopes and ballots.

By the way...adding thousands of serial numbers for ballots and envelopes would also run into the records for ballots ordered from the printer and what serial number ranges were requested and delivered.

Who is checking signatures? The people who separate the ballot from the envelope.

You originally suggested the precinct workers could just add a few hundred in person ballots to the batch being sent in....still think that is possible?

 

[Sickofleft]

You forgot to post any evidence of fraud in the 2020 election.

You Trump cultists are so forgetful.

;-)

Simple tests for the extent of vote fraud with absentee and provisional ballots in the 2020 US presidential election

This study reports three tests measuring vote fraud in the 2020 US presidential election, although they provide inconsistent evidence. To isolate the impact of

papers.ssrn.com

 

[Sickofleft]

Simple tests for the extent of vote fraud with absentee and provisional ballots in the 2020 US presidential election

This study reports three tests measuring vote fraud in the 2020 US presidential election, although they provide inconsistent evidence. To isolate the impact of

papers.ssrn.com

 

[Zam-Zam]

Former Pennsylvania Democratic Rep. Michael "Ozzie" Myers pleaded guilty to several election fraud charges, including orchestrating a scheme to "stuff the ballot boxes for specific Democratic candidates" in Pennsylvania elections from 2014 to 2018...

"At Myers’ direction, Demuro would add these fraudulent votes to the totals during Election Day, and then would later falsely certify that the voting machine results were accurate," the DOJ stated. Authorities also accused Myers of instructing Demuro to lie about the scheme to investigators.

Ex-congressman pleads guilty to stuffing ballot boxes for Democrats

Myers was expelled from Congress after accepting a bribe in another scheme decades ago

justthenews.com

Oops!

Sometimes they get caught.

Do they always get caught?

Just like everyone else here, I can't say with certainty that they do or do not.

How secure are our elections? The best anyone here can do is guess...What we do know is...That sometimes, at least, people get caught. Like Demuro.

Which, of course, proves that some people are trying to cheat.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Simple tests for the extent of vote fraud with absentee and provisional ballots in the 2020 US presidential election

This study reports three tests measuring vote fraud in the 2020 US presidential election, although they provide inconsistent evidence. To isolate the impact of

papers.ssrn.com

You proved one thing with that idiocy - you’re shameless!

;-)

 

[Raoul_Luke]

1. So you are now accusing democrats of printing up forged ballots? Were these absentee ballots or in person ballots?
2. If In-person ballots then they'd have to forge signatures in the poll books AND they'd have to know the serial numbers of ballots delivered to that precinct...they couldn't just make those up...
3. If absentee they'd have to print up envelopes and forge signatures on the envelopes.
Again, they'd have to alter the data base for when these ballots were mailed out as well as serial numbers on envelopes and ballots.

By the way...adding thousands of serial numbers for ballots and envelopes would also run into the records for ballots ordered from the printer and what serial number ranges were requested and delivered.

Who is checking signatures? The people who separate the ballot from the envelope.

You originally suggested the precinct workers could just add a few hundred in person ballots to the batch being sent in....still think that is possible?

Who prints up the original ballots (and envelopes)? Do they only print as many as there are people who will vote? How do they know that in advance?

So if you are forging signatures on ballots, you can also forge signatures on envelopes (and they will match), that is, if anyone is really checking at 3 AM. And just use surplus ballots left over from the original order.

Do I still think inner city precincts could get away with adding a few hundred to a thousand fraudulent ballots? I certainly don't think it is beyond the realm of possibility.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

Nobody signs their ballot...they sign the envelope for absentee ballots. Are you thinking they could add a bunch of absentee ballots behind the in person ballots and nobody would notice? Pretty stupid suggestion.

What would stop them from pulling a few hundred (or more) out of the middle of the pack before they were sent out?