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Electoral fraud? Impossible the lefty election "experts" tell us...

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Former Pennsylvania Democratic Rep. Michael "Ozzie" Myers pleaded guilty to several election fraud charges, including orchestrating a scheme to "stuff the ballot boxes for specific Democratic candidates" in Pennsylvania elections from 2014 to 2018...

"At Myers’ direction, Demuro would add these fraudulent votes to the totals during Election Day, and then would later falsely certify that the voting machine results were accurate," the DOJ stated. Authorities also accused Myers of instructing Demuro to lie about the scheme to investigators.



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middleview

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Former Pennsylvania Democratic Rep. Michael "Ozzie" Myers pleaded guilty to several election fraud charges, including orchestrating a scheme to "stuff the ballot boxes for specific Democratic candidates" in Pennsylvania elections from 2014 to 2018...

"At Myers’ direction, Demuro would add these fraudulent votes to the totals during Election Day, and then would later falsely certify that the voting machine results were accurate," the DOJ stated. Authorities also accused Myers of instructing Demuro to lie about the scheme to investigators.



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primary elections are run by the parties....and these guys got caught.
 
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Former Pennsylvania Democratic Rep. Michael "Ozzie" Myers pleaded guilty to several election fraud charges, including orchestrating a scheme to "stuff the ballot boxes for specific Democratic candidates" in Pennsylvania elections from 2014 to 2018...

"At Myers’ direction, Demuro would add these fraudulent votes to the totals during Election Day, and then would later falsely certify that the voting machine results were accurate," the DOJ stated. Authorities also accused Myers of instructing Demuro to lie about the scheme to investigators.



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You are not allowed to speak of this.

Joe Biden got 81 million votes, 10 million more then Barrack Obama, to make this even remotely believable, you must repeat it to yourself everyday, every second of every day.......

Keep your head down, keep repeating "81 million votes" "most secure election in history"..... don't ever tell anyone you noticed that the same people who insist on this wanted you to believe in 2016 that Putin won that election.....

Do as your told, the regime does not care for actual thought.
 

Bugsy McGurk

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You are not allowed to speak of this.

Joe Biden got 81 million votes, 10 million more then Barrack Obama, to make this even remotely believable, you must repeat it to yourself everyday, every second of every day.......

Keep your head down, keep repeating "81 million votes" "most secure election in history"..... don't ever tell anyone you noticed that the same people who insist on this wanted you to believe in 2016 that Putin won that election.....

Do as your told, the regime does not care for actual thought.
You forgot to post any evidence of fraud in the 2020 election.

You Trump cultists are so forgetful.

;-)
 

middleview

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You are not allowed to speak of this.

Joe Biden got 81 million votes, 10 million more then Barrack Obama, to make this even remotely believable, you must repeat it to yourself everyday, every second of every day.......

Keep your head down, keep repeating "81 million votes" "most secure election in history"..... don't ever tell anyone you noticed that the same people who insist on this wanted you to believe in 2016 that Putin won that election.....

Do as your told, the regime does not care for actual thought.
Obama got 69 million votes in 2008. Hillary got 65 million and Trump got 63 million in 2016....and in 2020...

Who'd believe Trump would get 74 million votes? That would be 5 million more than Obama!
To make this remotely believable you would have to repeat it every day...right?

Your logic back at ya.
 
Obama got 69 million votes in 2008. Hillary got 65 million and Trump got 63 million in 2016....and in 2020...

Who'd believe Trump would get 74 million votes? That would be 5 million more than Obama!
To make this remotely believable you would have to repeat it every day...right?

Your logic back at ya.
Not suprising at all, Obama was a terrible President and the most corrupt President in US History, second only to maybe the current one.
 

middleview

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Not suprising at all, Obama was a terrible President and the most corrupt President in US History, second only to maybe the current one.
How many members of the Obama administration were convicted of crimes? How many even indicted? Six of Trump's appointees were indicted and convicted.

Reagan's administration had 16 of his appointees convicted of various fraud and corruption charges. There would have been more related to Iran Contra, but HW Bush gave them pardons.

Clinton had one of his appointees convicted...Cisneros lied about payments to his mistress.
Obama had none.
Carter had none.
 

middleview

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How many did not? You have assured us a million times that the acts depicted in this case are "impossible - the ballots are too tightly regulated"...apparently not.
In fact these accusations are for primaries...they are run by the political parties. Do you understand the difference?
 

middleview

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So what is the difference?
The political party engages printing companies to produce ballots for primaries. For general elections that is done by election boards in each precinct. General elections are supervised by the Secretary of State. Primaries are conducted by the political parties.

In this case that means that party officials at the precinct level had access to the ballots before they were sent out. That is not the case in general elections.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
The political party engages printing companies to produce ballots for primaries. For general elections that is done by election boards in each precinct. General elections are supervised by the Secretary of State. Primaries are conducted by the political parties.

In this case that means that party officials at the precinct level had access to the ballots before they were sent out. That is not the case in general elections.
So no officials at the precinct level have access to general election ballots "before they were sent out" (what does that even mean)?

I don't think you ever explained how a party official with access to the voter database wouldn't be able to look at the db after the in person polls close and produce paper ballots for anyone who had not yet cast a vote.
 

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So no officials at the precinct level have access to general election ballots "before they were sent out" (what does that even mean)?

I don't think you ever explained how a party official with access to the voter database wouldn't be able to look at the db after the in person polls close and produce paper ballots for anyone who had not yet cast a vote.
Batches of ballots arrive at the precinct for either in person voting or to be mailed for absentee voters. In the case cited here they were probably in person ballots that the party official had access to.

In the general election the database is updated as the vote is cast at a polling place.
So if a party official had access to the real time copy of the data base, they could see who had not voted. What they could not do is update the data base with the serial number of the envelope for an absentee ballot. I have had access to the Colorado voter data base...but fields like the signature were not available. The file recording absentee ballots is seperate and includes things like the date an absentee ballot was mailed out....
That would also have to be updated. Do you think elections officials don't know how to secure files on their servers?

So let's say that in the general election there was not a chain of custody from the printer to the state, where absentee ballots would be put in envelopes, recorded as being sent to a voter and mailed out....so someone could get their hands on thousands of ballots.

When in person ballots are finished being counted, they start opening envelopes that have been received by USPS or by ballot drop boxes. How in hell would you find the time to forge signatures, somehow breach file security to update voter data base and absentee ballot files and then deliver them in the middle of the night as if they'd come from where? Do you think they could fake a USPS truck arriving with more ballots? There would have been no scheduled ballot box pickups after a certain time of night....here in Colorado I think it is 6pm on the day of the election.
 

Bugsy McGurk

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Batches of ballots arrive at the precinct for either in person voting or to be mailed for absentee voters. In the case cited here they were probably in person ballots that the party official had access to.

In the general election the database is updated as the vote is cast at a polling place.
So if a party official had access to the real time copy of the data base, they could see who had not voted. What they could not do is update the data base with the serial number of the envelope for an absentee ballot. I have had access to the Colorado voter data base...but fields like the signature were not available. The file recording absentee ballots is seperate and includes things like the date an absentee ballot was mailed out....
That would also have to be updated. Do you think elections officials don't know how to secure files on their servers?

So let's say that in the general election there was not a chain of custody from the printer to the state, where absentee ballots would be put in envelopes, recorded as being sent to a voter and mailed out....so someone could get their hands on thousands of ballots.

When in person ballots are finished being counted, they start opening envelopes that have been received by USPS or by ballot drop boxes. How in hell would you find the time to forge signatures, somehow breach file security to update voter data base and absentee ballot files and then deliver them in the middle of the night as if they'd come from where? Do you think they could fake a USPS truck arriving with more ballots? There would have been no scheduled ballot box pickups after a certain time of night....here in Colorado I think it is 6pm on the day of the election.
You realize, of course, that you’re wasting your time trying to get Trump cultists to acknowledge the facts surrounding the election. Trump’s insiders told him he lost but he doesn’t care about truth. He still claimed he won, without any evidence, spewing the “fraud” Big Lie. His cultists feel compelled to go along with his Big Lie. Facts mean nothing to them.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Batches of ballots arrive at the precinct for either in person voting or to be mailed for absentee voters. In the case cited here they were probably in person ballots that the party official had access to.

In the general election the database is updated as the vote is cast at a polling place.
So if a party official had access to the real time copy of the data base, they could see who had not voted. What they could not do is update the data base with the serial number of the envelope for an absentee ballot. I have had access to the Colorado voter data base...but fields like the signature were not available. The file recording absentee ballots is seperate and includes things like the date an absentee ballot was mailed out....
That would also have to be updated. Do you think elections officials don't know how to secure files on their servers?

So let's say that in the general election there was not a chain of custody from the printer to the state, where absentee ballots would be put in envelopes, recorded as being sent to a voter and mailed out....so someone could get their hands on thousands of ballots.

When in person ballots are finished being counted, they start opening envelopes that have been received by USPS or by ballot drop boxes. How in hell would you find the time to forge signatures, somehow breach file security to update voter data base and absentee ballot files and then deliver them in the middle of the night as if they'd come from where? Do you think they could fake a USPS truck arriving with more ballots? There would have been no scheduled ballot box pickups after a certain time of night....here in Colorado I think it is 6pm on the day of the election.
It only takes 500 - 1000 per precinct (counting only the big city ones). So you think because they didn't give you access that no one has it? That's absurd!

Do you think election officials are 100% committed to securing files on their servers? Why would they have to come in via ballot drop boxes?

Yes, the full records would include such data as the date it was mailed out, and signatures can be forged, well, as quickly as you sign your name - none of which is checked in a "recount." That's why we need a full forensic audit of these inner city precincts where the Biden campaign ran up the vote.
 
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