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Fall of Kabul 8-30-2021

middleview

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This goes all the way back to the invasion of Afghanistan by Bush - which you supported and I opposed. So lets keep that front and center while we debate the withdrawal. Our only real obligation was to the troops who were there at the end, and the idea that we couldn't pull them out without losing anyone is fairly hard to believe. A few dozen special forces operatives would have been a perfectly adequate extraction team.

Biden created the free for all of trying to get hundreds of thousands of "refugees" out which gave the Taliban the opportunity to take out the troops who were overseeing that. That's not on Trump, no matter how much you want it to be.
A few dozen soldiers? Ok general...first..it wasn't the Taliban...ISIS-K killed our troops.

If 2,500 troops weren't enough to secure a perimeter around Karzai airport, how in hell would a few dozen?
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
A few dozen soldiers? Ok general...first..it wasn't the Taliban...ISIS-K killed our troops.

If 2,500 troops weren't enough to secure a perimeter around Karzai airport, how in hell would a few dozen?
S.P.E.C.I.A.L. F.O.R.C.E.S.

It's what they do...
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Trump signed an agreement that made the taliban stronger and weakened both the US and Afghan forces. He turned over a shit sandwich to Biden. That is the truth you want to avoid.
That is your opinion.

WASHINGTON (AP) — As President Donald Trump’s administration signed a peace deal with the Taliban in February 2020, he optimistically proclaimed that “we think we’ll be successful in the end.” His secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, asserted that the administration was “seizing the best opportunity for peace in a generation.”

Eighteen months later, President Joe Biden is pointing to the agreement signed in Doha, Qatar, as he tries to deflect blame for the Taliban overrunning Afghanistan in a blitz. He says it bound him to withdraw U.S. troops, setting the stage for the chaos engulfing the country.

But Biden can go only so far in claiming the agreement boxed him in. It had an escape clause: The U.S. could have withdrawn from the accord if Afghan peace talks failed. They did, but Biden chose to stay in it, although he delayed the complete pullout from May to September.



The AP says you are a hack.
 

middleview

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That is your opinion.

WASHINGTON (AP) — As President Donald Trump’s administration signed a peace deal with the Taliban in February 2020, he optimistically proclaimed that “we think we’ll be successful in the end.” His secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, asserted that the administration was “seizing the best opportunity for peace in a generation.”

Eighteen months later, President Joe Biden is pointing to the agreement signed in Doha, Qatar, as he tries to deflect blame for the Taliban overrunning Afghanistan in a blitz. He says it bound him to withdraw U.S. troops, setting the stage for the chaos engulfing the country.

But Biden can go only so far in claiming the agreement boxed him in. It had an escape clause: The U.S. could have withdrawn from the accord if Afghan peace talks failed. They did, but Biden chose to stay in it, although he delayed the complete pullout from May to September.



The AP says you are a hack.
Trump did not withdraw from the agreement, in spite of the increase in violence as US troops were pulled out. In the last three months of 2020 there was an increase of 45% in civilian casualties compared to 2019. The Afghan army lost more than 3,000 KIA during Trump's cease fire. During that time the Afghan army had no support from the US...no air support, no artillery support, no logistics support. Add to that the release of 5,000 Taliban POWs....

What were Biden's options? If he had tried to bring in enough troops to clear the Taliban from Kabul, it would have cost far more than the 13 killed by the ISIS-K bomber.

Imagine trying to fly in 10,000 troops to an airport within range of Taliban weapons...how would that have worked out?

Suggesting fewer than a hundred special forces troops could have cleared the Taliban out of Kabul and made it safe for the 125,000 people that were evacuated is simply bizarre.
 

middleview

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Of course
Big difference between SF's and Navy IT's
A little early in the day for cocktails, dawg....

FYI, nobody is suggesting that a company of Navy IT workers should have been flown in to fight.

Once again you've dragged the thread massively off topic....
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Trump did not withdraw from the agreement, in spite of the increase in violence as US troops were pulled out. In the last three months of 2020 there was an increase of 45% in civilian casualties compared to 2019. The Afghan army lost more than 3,000 KIA during Trump's cease fire. During that time the Afghan army had no support from the US...no air support, no artillery support, no logistics support. Add to that the release of 5,000 Taliban POWs....

What were Biden's options? If he had tried to bring in enough troops to clear the Taliban from Kabul, it would have cost far more than the 13 killed by the ISIS-K bomber.

Imagine trying to fly in 10,000 troops to an airport within range of Taliban weapons...how would that have worked out?

Suggesting fewer than a hundred special forces troops could have cleared the Taliban out of Kabul and made it safe for the 125,000 people that were evacuated is simply bizarre.
I'm suggesting no such thing - I am suggesting our only obligation was to bring home our troops. Period! Biden wanted to get 125,000 afghanis out so it was his responsibility to do so without it being a sh*t show. He failed.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
No kidding...a few dozen special forces guys can establish a perimeter around the massive airport? You're really getting desperate now.
Just to go in and get our guys out. Doing anything more than that without 50 or 60 thousand additional troops was idiotic.
 

middleview

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I'm suggesting no such thing - I am suggesting our only obligation was to bring home our troops. Period! Biden wanted to get 125,000 afghanis out so it was his responsibility to do so without it being a sh*t show. He failed.
So no obligation to evacuate American citizens, allied Afghans who fought by our side...
 

middleview

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Joey left Americans
Our Guys and we have no idea how many Taliban Joey flew out and now somewhere in America, it's like Joey wants another 9/11
@Raoul_Luke says we shouldn't have helped anyone out...just bring out our troops...so why didn't Trump do exactly that?
 

middleview

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Joey left Americans
Our Guys and we have no idea how many Taliban Joey flew out and now somewhere in America, it's like Joey wants another 9/11
I guess you had to hurry up and delete this post....


middleview said:
@Raoul_Luke says we shouldn't have helped anyone out...just bring out our troops...so why didn't Trump do exactly that?

Liar
I read what Luke posted and he didn't post what you posted he did
 

Dawg

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I guess you had to hurry up and delete this post....


middleview said:
@Raoul_Luke says we shouldn't have helped anyone out...just bring out our troops...so why didn't Trump do exactly that?

Liar
I read what Luke posted and he didn't post what you posted he did
I forgot I'm not replying to YOU and this is last reply to you lil' fella
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