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For those that say Non-Americans can't/don't vote or get welfare

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Seems like you're always behind on news
Biden’s American Rescue Plan paid $127M to dead Teamsters’ pension plan: watchdog (msn.com)

Joey buying dead votes :cool: catch up lil' fella

Illegals turning Americans into Unemployed that will need Welfare
Denver Weighs Cutting Some Public Employees’ Hours to Zero to Tackle Migrant Crisis (msn.com)
After researching the issue the facts are slightly different than what republicans are telling you.

The money was paid into a fund. That fund makes monthly payments to retirees and their survivors if they have passed. So were there people who had died that were still on the list of recipients? Yes. Did they pay out $127 million to dead people? No. They didn't even pay out $127 million to their survivors. That is a projection of how much they will pay out over some number of years...I have yet to find out where that number came from.

Chantel Sheaks, U.S. Chamber of Commerce Executive Director of Retirement Policy, has a few bones to pick with critics like Greszler.

“If I hear one more time that these are union plans, I’m going to scream,” Sheaks told Forbes.

“They’re jointly administered by employers and unions. People don't understand how they’re funded. The only contributions that go into these plans are made by employers. Unions don’t contribute to these at all.”
“We could have rolled the dice and seen what happened,” Sheaks told Forbes. “If Central States hadn’t got the funding, the plan would have become insolvent. We’d have seen a lot more companies going bankrupt. That means less employees, less money going into communities. You also have employers that contribute to multiple plans. It leads to what we call the contagion effect. If a business would go bankrupt because of, say, Central States becoming insolvent, that business then can’t contribute to other plans it contributes to that are healthy.”


Taxpayers’ $36 Billion Pension-Fund Bailout Comes With One Thin String Attached (forbes.com)
 
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middleview

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Seems like you're always behind on news
Biden’s American Rescue Plan paid $127M to dead Teamsters’ pension plan: watchdog (msn.com)

Joey buying dead votes :cool: catch up lil' fella

Illegals turning Americans into Unemployed that will need Welfare
Denver Weighs Cutting Some Public Employees’ Hours to Zero to Tackle Migrant Crisis (msn.com)
No money was paid to dead people. Central States reported they had liabilities for pension benefits for 350,000 retirees over the next X number of years. That included 3,479 dead people. So the fund owes the federal government about $127 million...

Central States' application for taxpayer-funded bailout money totaled $35.8 billion, and PBGC approved it in full, according to the letter. Later, it was discovered that Central States included 3,479 dead participants in its application for bailout money. 'In other words, the extra $127 million Central States received as a result of its own failure to provide accurate census information was a windfall to Central States to which it was not otherwise entitled,' Cassidy wrote.

GOP senator says $127M payment to dead people must be returned (msn.com)
 

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Even with millions of illegal aliens voting for Biden (and wearing Tshirts with his name on them), Trump still got more votes. Many more.

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"In 2017, the Brennan Center examined 42 local jurisdictions around the country in the 2016 election, including some of the most populous counties in Arizona, California, Florida and Texas. Of 23.5 million votes cast, election officials found only about 30 cases of potential noncitizen voting that they referred for prosecution or further investigation," the AP's Ali Swenson wrote. "A Georgia audit of its voter rolls conducted in 2022 found fewer than 2,000 instances of noncitizens attempting to register to vote for 25 years, none of which succeeded. Millions of new Georgia voters registered during that period."

 

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Even with millions of illegal aliens voting for Biden (and wearing Tshirts with his name on them), Trump still got more votes. Many more.

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Ken Block, the man who was hired by Donald Trump's campaign to investigate voter fraud claims, torched the former president's "stolen elections" conspiracy theory in a column published by AZ Central on Thursday.


Block, whose company Simpatico Software Systems was contracted by Trump in November 2020 to investigate assorted voter fraud claims and who described himself in the column as "the man the Trump campaign hired to find those fraudulent votes," dismissed claims by both Trump and failed Arizona gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake as "easily proven as false," and he said his own research proved it.



 
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