EatTheRich
President
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”-Voltaire
Former felons could help flip Wisconsin blue in 2020
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EatTheRich
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2 false claims in a row.
EatTheRich
President
No. Lincoln was a radical leftist who carried on a friendly correspondence with Karl Marx and urged people to read his columns. He ran for office on the slogan, “Vote yourself a farm and horses,” appointed an avowed communist military governor of Missouri, and said that labor was the superior of capital.Abraham Lincoln was a liberal? Maybe you should go back and read what he said about socialism and welfare states.
resident_evil
Senator
When you keep blacks on the Democrat plantation the dirge of blacks in the GOP is explained. As the #justwalkaway type movements begin to thrive there will be more minority GOP representation coming out of places like Miami, Atlanta, Philly, Detroit, LA. ... Blacks will soon be truly free. And they will no longer be mentally tortured by the leftist lies.
EatTheRich
President
Lincoln’s views on property in context:
“And, inasmuch [as] most good things are produced by labour, it follows that [all] such things of right belong to those whose labour has produced them. But it has so happened in all ages of the world, that some have laboured, and others have, without labour, enjoyed a large proportion of the fruits. This is wrong, and should not continue. To [secure] to each labourer the whole product of his labour, or as nearly as possible, is a most worthy object of any good government."
“Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."
EatTheRich
President
1.Marx was not a liberal.
2. Lincoln thought very well of Marx.
3. Lincoln increased the size of government greatly. His government created the first income tax and in general raised taxes. His government also distributed free land to the landless.
4. The founding fathers were by and large self-identified liberals, and the government they founded was (with the exception of the revolutionary French government they inspired and with which the most revolutionary among them sympathized) the most left-wing government in the world for many decades.
EatTheRich
President
Lincoln also opposes the “personal liberty” of the slaveowners, pushed through the Emancipation Proclamation which was the largest uncompensated taking of private property ever in history, and advocated unrestricted immigration. Facts do matter.
resident_evil
Senator
When you're going to lie, lie big and use a partial truth. The question is about servitude, slavery, and the condition of the mind best exmplified by the majority of Americans who were neither hired nor hirers but rather capitalists in their own right.
December 3, 1861: First Annual Message | Miller Center
It is not needed nor fitting here that a general argument should be made in favor of popular institutions, but there is one point, with its connections, not so hackneyed as most others, to which I ask a brief attention. It is the effort to place capital on an equal footing with, if not above, labor in the structure of government. It is assumed that labor is available only in connection with capital; that nobody labors unless somebody else, owning capital, somehow by the use of it induces him to labor. This assumed, it is next considered whether it is best that capital shall hire laborers, and thus induce them to work by their own consent, or buy them and drive them to it without their consent. Having proceeded so far, it is naturally concluded that all laborers are either hired laborers or what we call slaves. And further, it is assumed that whoever is once a hired laborer is fixed in that condition for life.
Now there is no such relation between capital and labor as assumed, nor is there any such thing as a free man being fixed for life in the condition of a hired laborer. Both these assumptions are false, and all inferences from them are groundless.
Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights. Nor is it denied that there is, and probably always will be, a relation between labor and capital producing mutual benefits. The error is in assuming that the whole labor of community exists within that relation. A few men own capital, and that few avoid labor themselves, and with their capital hire or buy another few to labor for them. A large majority belong to neither class--neither work for others nor have others working for them. In most of the Southern States a majority of the whole people of all colors are neither slaves nor masters, while in the Northern a large majority are neither hirers nor hired. Men, with their families--wives, sons, and daughters--work for themselves on their farms, in their houses, and in their shops, taking the whole product to themselves, and asking no favors of capital on the one hand nor of hired laborers or slaves on the other. It is not forgotten that a considerable number of persons mingle their own labor with capital; that is, they labor with their own hands and also buy or hire others to labor for them; but this is only a mixed and not a distinct class. No principle stated is disturbed by the existence of this mixed class.
Again, as has already been said, there is not of necessity any such thing as the free hired laborer being fixed to that condition for life. Many independent men everywhere in these States a few years back in their lives were hired laborers. The prudent, penniless beginner in the world labors for wages awhile, saves a surplus with which to buy tools or land for himself, then labors on his own account another while, and at length hires another new beginner to help him. This is the just and generous and prosperous system which opens the way to all, gives hope to all, and consequent energy and progress and improvement of condition to all. No men living are more worthy to be trusted than those who toil up from poverty; none less inclined to take or touch aught which they have not honestly earned. Let them beware of surrendering a political power which they already possess, and which if surrendered will surely be used to close the door of advancement against such as they and to fix new disabilities and burdens upon them till all of liberty shall be lost.
From the first taking of our national census to the last are seventy years, and we find our population at the end of the period eight times as great as it was at the beginning. The increase of those other things which men deem desirable has been even greater. We thus have at one view what the popular principle, applied to Government through the machiney, of the States and the Union, has produced in a given time, and also what if firmly maintained it promises for the future. There are already among us those who if the Union be preserved will live to see it contain 250,000,000. The struggle of to-day is not altogether for to-day; it is for a vast future also. With a reliance on Providence all the more firm and earnest, let us proceed in the great task which events have devolved upon us.
Mick
The Right is always right
"To [secure] to each labourer the whole product of his labour, or as nearly as possible, is a most worthy object of any good government."
Thank you for proving my point. He was adamant that the lazy (i.e. welfare left wingers) shouldn't be enjoying the fruits and earnings of others. He was advocating for a low tax, capitalist society where people worked for what they got and were entitled to their own earnings. Game. Set. Match.
Are you trying to make the left look stupid? You are doing a fine job.
Lulz
EatTheRich
President
He was saying that the idle capitalists and landlords shouldn’t be supported by the workers without working to support themselves. The same principle that Marx had only a few years earlier termed “equal liability of all to labor.”
Welfare is not a free ride for the lazy. It is a safety net for those who are unable to find work that pays enough to live on. Collecting welfare is a lot more work than getting the same amount of money via wages, by design.
EatTheRich
President
In other words, he thought that people should be plebeian small entrepreneurs of the sort that were common in his time but have since been all but completely wiped out by the capitalist market. But that the existence of the idle gran bourgeois should not be possible and the existence of the propertyless proletarian should be at worst a temporary state for any individual, not the permanent state it must be now for the large majority in order to enable a significant minority to live as idle bourgeois.When you're going to lie, lie big and use a partial truth. The question is about servitude, slavery, and the condition of the mind best exmplified by the majority of Americans who were neither hired nor hirers but rather capitalists in their own right.
December 3, 1861: First Annual Message | Miller Center
millercenter.org
It is not needed nor fitting here that a general argument should be made in favor of popular institutions, but there is one point, with its connections, not so hackneyed as most others, to which I ask a brief attention. It is the effort to place capital on an equal footing with, if not above, labor in the structure of government. It is assumed that labor is available only in connection with capital; that nobody labors unless somebody else, owning capital, somehow by the use of it induces him to labor. This assumed, it is next considered whether it is best that capital shall hire laborers, and thus induce them to work by their own consent, or buy them and drive them to it without their consent. Having proceeded so far, it is naturally concluded that all laborers are either hired laborers or what we call slaves. And further, it is assumed that whoever is once a hired laborer is fixed in that condition for life.
Now there is no such relation between capital and labor as assumed, nor is there any such thing as a free man being fixed for life in the condition of a hired laborer. Both these assumptions are false, and all inferences from them are groundless.
Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights. Nor is it denied that there is, and probably always will be, a relation between labor and capital producing mutual benefits. The error is in assuming that the whole labor of community exists within that relation. A few men own capital, and that few avoid labor themselves, and with their capital hire or buy another few to labor for them. A large majority belong to neither class--neither work for others nor have others working for them. In most of the Southern States a majority of the whole people of all colors are neither slaves nor masters, while in the Northern a large majority are neither hirers nor hired. Men, with their families--wives, sons, and daughters--work for themselves on their farms, in their houses, and in their shops, taking the whole product to themselves, and asking no favors of capital on the one hand nor of hired laborers or slaves on the other. It is not forgotten that a considerable number of persons mingle their own labor with capital; that is, they labor with their own hands and also buy or hire others to labor for them; but this is only a mixed and not a distinct class. No principle stated is disturbed by the existence of this mixed class.
Again, as has already been said, there is not of necessity any such thing as the free hired laborer being fixed to that condition for life. Many independent men everywhere in these States a few years back in their lives were hired laborers. The prudent, penniless beginner in the world labors for wages awhile, saves a surplus with which to buy tools or land for himself, then labors on his own account another while, and at length hires another new beginner to help him. This is the just and generous and prosperous system which opens the way to all, gives hope to all, and consequent energy and progress and improvement of condition to all. No men living are more worthy to be trusted than those who toil up from poverty; none less inclined to take or touch aught which they have not honestly earned. Let them beware of surrendering a political power which they already possess, and which if surrendered will surely be used to close the door of advancement against such as they and to fix new disabilities and burdens upon them till all of liberty shall be lost.
From the first taking of our national census to the last are seventy years, and we find our population at the end of the period eight times as great as it was at the beginning. The increase of those other things which men deem desirable has been even greater. We thus have at one view what the popular principle, applied to Government through the machiney, of the States and the Union, has produced in a given time, and also what if firmly maintained it promises for the future. There are already among us those who if the Union be preserved will live to see it contain 250,000,000. The struggle of to-day is not altogether for to-day; it is for a vast future also. With a reliance on Providence all the more firm and earnest, let us proceed in the great task which events have devolved upon us.
resident_evil
Senator
No.
No.
Yes, on that individuals own efforts from his wages saved.
Just stop the theft of the truth. It just isn't cute anymore.
Drumcollie
* See DC's list of Kook posters*
Like the ones that said Hillary would win?
RickWA
Snagglesooth
Sadly, Voltaire lived and died untethered to the transcendent Almighty...indeed rejecting Him in favor of frail human faculty. The devices of man, unchecked by the Spirit, will inevitably slouch toward the profane. I am happily at odds with much of what Voltaire held dear.
Enlightenment and reason are great. Having a core nucleus of just those is blueprint for emptiness itself.
Zam-Zam
Senator
Former felons could help flip Wisconsin blue in 2020
By Associated Press January 19, 2020 8:00 AM
Former felons could help flip Wisconsin blue in 2020
Advocates are organizing to help inexperienced or previously disenfranchised voters cast a ballot.americanindependent.com
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THAT IS RICH!!!! leftwingers & Democrats & BS Bernie depending on crooks & thieves to help them win elections over Repubs & conservatives & patriots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's interesting to note that Democrats naturally assume that people who have a track record of making poor life decisions are far more likely to vote for their party.
Both Fact
Prove them wrong___________________go
EatTheRich
President
Bottom line: Lincoln wrote to Marx and encouraged people to read his columns.
EatTheRich
President
And to those of us who do trust evidence and not our wishful imaginations, the atrocities of your fellow religious believers highlight Voltaire’s warnings.
RickWA
Snagglesooth
You mean the atheists Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, and Lenin? Good point, they sewed love and good intention everywhere they went. That butchery of hundreds of millions is a figment of the “wishful imagination”.
resident_evil
Senator
Bottom line: And had he actually met Marx and learned of Marx's actual life he'd a puked.
