Gerhard Schroeder says there's a deal to be had for peace in Ukraine...

[PhilFish]

Well, then who knows what will happen to Ukraine.

ukraine will withstand or be absorbed by russia.

if it withstands, the west will be too afraid to allow it to join.
it will have to suffer perennial war, or become a fortress, like israel

 

[PhilFish]

You mean when you ARE Nato?

same thing.. but yes.

 

[God of War]

ukraine will withstand or be absorbed by russia.

if it withstands, the west will be too afraid to allow it to join.
it will have to suffer perennial war, or become a fortress, like israel

Russia is dying. By 2050 there will be half as many Russians as there are today. Same for Ukraine apparently.

 

[PhilFish]

Russia is dying. By 2050 there will be half as many Russians as there are today. Same for Ukraine apparently.

I imagine the same can be said about birth rates all over.

but good. I hope russia dies faster. Ukraine will be ok

 

[Raoul_Luke]

Russia is dying. By 2050 there will be half as many Russians as there are today. Same for Ukraine apparently.

Sounds like an argument for open borders and unchecked immigration. How's that working out for the EU?

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Oops!

 

[Dawg]

I imagine the same can be said about birth rates all over.

but good. I hope russia dies faster. Ukraine will be ok

Ukraine War sure has blown Joe's excuse of why gas was High since the War is still happening and gas is coming down.

I read Putin now can't raise his right arm due to evidently his Cancer, Putin needs die so this will end in Ukraine, it's clear Joe isn't up to ending it.

 

[PhilFish]

Ukraine War sure has blown Joe's excuse of why gas was High since the War is still happening and gas is coming down.

I read Putin now can't raise his right arm due to evidently his Cancer, Putin needs die so this will end in Ukraine, it's clear Joe isn't up to ending it.

Putin dying may not end it. There is plenty of evil in Russia and more that think that ukraine and Ukrainians are property

 

[Dawg]

Putin dying may not end it. There is plenty of evil in Russia and more that think that ukraine and Ukrainians are property

True, but, there's always HOPE

 

[God of War]

I imagine the same can be said about birth rates all over.

but good. I hope russia dies faster. Ukraine will be ok

Demography works different than that. Russian and Ukraine would need women to have 4, 5, and six kids to make up the demographic deficit. Russian women have 1.5 kids and Ukranian women have 1.43 kids. Both way below the 2.2 needed for replacement.

 

[God of War]

Sounds like an argument for open borders and unchecked immigration. How's that working out for the EU?

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Oops!

Why the snark with me on this topic?

 

[PhilFish]

Demography works different than that. Russian and Ukraine would need women to have 4, 5, and six kids to make up the demographic deficit. Russian women have 1.5 kids and Ukranian women have 1.43 kids. Both way below the 2.2 needed for replacement.

Us is 1.7. jenkies

 

[Raoul_Luke]

Why the snark with me on this topic?

No offense - it's just an observation. We'd be in worse shape than Russia on that measure if Trump had won reelection. Sometimes population decline is preferable to the alternative.

Is Russia in decline? No doubt about it. Are they "winning" the "decline race" over us? Without a doubt.

 

[Sickofleft]

you're in to the sauce or reading too many fringe sites.

Banderites, is that what you mean?

Nope, the Azov

How a White-Supremacist Militia Uses Facebook to Radicalize and Train New Members

This Ukrainian militant group’s use of social media has been key to their international growth

time.com

An article about them from that fringe site..... ummmmm Time Magazine, that bastion of right wing ideology.......

I beleive Newsweek has also done work on these guys that was of course before....... now we are all supposed to forget all about it......

 

[PhilFish]

Nope, the Azov

How a White-Supremacist Militia Uses Facebook to Radicalize and Train New Members

This Ukrainian militant group’s use of social media has been key to their international growth

time.com

An article about them from that fringe site..... ummmmm Time Magazine, that bastion of right wing ideology.......

I beleive Newsweek has also done work on these guys that was of course before....... now we are all supposed to forget all about it......

yeah, it's a pretty rough group. a lot to unpack. ultra nationalist

 

[God of War]

No offense - it's just an observation. We'd be in worse shape than Russia on that measure if Trump had won reelection. Sometimes population decline is preferable to the alternative.

It is indeed about culture and NOT race (despite the blow Victor Orban has dealt us on the question). Islamization is just too much. Their cultural values suck and as the first and second generation esconce themselves in the societies their parents moved into the worse the problem. They don't get better. Southern France exemplifies this problem with the same families in the same ghetto since the 70's. France may well be to blame but if you're a moor take your education and move back to North Africa. Conquer your world with a good French education and ties to France. Sweden deserves none of what it is reaping for a reward other than they do nothing about their predicament (i.e. send them packing). Same for Germany. Islam is a Satanic religion and it shows.

Is Russia in decline? No doubt about it. Are they "winning" the "decline race" over us? Without a doubt.

No, they aren't. They will disappear soon as a force to be reckoned with. The shaggy hordes to the South of them are going to carve them up for dinner in the end.

We are for better or for worse stuck with our immigration. The solution seems to be in red pilling Hispanics such as myself. I'd prefer to send illegals packing with what they learned here in America back to their countries to build there what they learned to build here. We need to be a big brother and help them do it. We need our supply chain to be strong all the way down to Tierra del Fuego. We are the hemisphere of the future for mankind if we can get classical liberal values to rule the lands.

 

[middleview]

How many of that "third" of its "citizens" speak Russian daily? So if they lose a third of their citizens in the war, what have they "won?"

A poll prior to the war showed that over 70% of the people of Donbas did not want to be part of Russia. Speaking Russian is not the deciding factor.

If Russia wanted to have a referendum on the issue they'd have lost.

 

[PhilFish]

How many of that "third" of its "citizens" speak Russian daily? So if they lose a third of their citizens in the war, what have they "won?"

Pretty much everyone speaks some Russian and Ukraine. They are very similar languages

A lot of people in America speak Spanish. Does that mean Mexico has a right to claim part of our country?

 

[PhilFish]

A poll prior to the war showed that over 70% of the people of Donbas did not want to be part of Russia. Speaking Russian is not the deciding factor.

If Russia wanted to have a referendum on the issue they'd have lost.

Correct. That's why they had to fake one in Crimea

 

[middleview]

Correct. That's why they had to fake one in Crimea

I agree...there was no way that "election" could pass the smell test. People who didn't even live there got to vote...Russian troops in Crimea got to vote.

The Kyiv government wants a national vote on Donbas. Even if it was just people registered to vote in those areas, the area would stay part of Ukraine.

 

[PhilFish]

I agree...there was no way that "election" could pass the smell test. People who didn't even live there got to vote...Russian troops in Crimea got to vote.

The Kyiv government wants a national vote on Donbas. Even if it was just people registered to vote in those areas, the area would stay part of Ukraine.

The plan:

To Join Russia or Not to Join? All Change in the Donbas Republics

Despite numerous blustering announcements that Ukraine’s separatist-held territories are set to become part of Russia, Moscow is in no hurry to hold Crimea-style referendums there, and with good reason.

carnegieendowment.org