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Gerhard Schroeder says there's a deal to be had for peace in Ukraine...

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
So either send in US troops or cut off aid to Ukraine?
Yep! Maybe you don't care that the current tack is making life a, well, living hell for the Ukrainian citizens for years on end but I have a moral compunction about hanging them out to dry for our idiotic foreign policy goals.
 

middleview

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Maybe you don't give a shit about the millions of innocent Ukrainians who are in a living hell right now for months on end and no end in sight, but I have moral compunction about hanging innocents out to dry for our (assinine) foreign policy goals.
So your suggestion is that the people of Ukraine should just surrender themselves to the Putin invasion and blame the US if they do not....

You'd have been a hoot in 1940. The Brits should just sue for peace, right? Rather than endure the Luftwaffe assault on millions of innocent citizens....

Check your family line...Neville Chamberlain must have contributed DNA along the way.
 
Did anyone take a vote to see if they wanted to surrender? If the Ukrainians didn't want to fight the war would be over and the Russian flag flying over Kyiv.
Maybe they should, put it to a vote. Make sure the Ukrainian people know that the West has paid the corrupt people who run their country BILLIONS of dollars to drag this out for as long as possible.......

If anyone actually cared about the people that are dying they would already be suing for Peace, but ya know.... you don't get to do photo shoots for Vogue if you are suing for Peace....

PS. NATO didn't even want the Ukraine, why? Too Corrupt..........this war is a farce, avoidable farce that has killed thousands upon thousands.......
 

PhilFish

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Maybe they should, put it to a vote. Make sure the Ukrainian people know that the West has paid the corrupt people who run their country BILLIONS of dollars to drag this out for as long as possible.......

If anyone actually cared about the people that are dying they would already be suing for Peace, but ya know.... you don't get to do photo shoots for Vogue if you are suing for Peace....

PS. NATO didn't even want the Ukraine, why? Too Corrupt..........this war is a farce, avoidable farce that has killed thousands upon thousands.......
Convenient. But no. Ukrainians will fight to the end
 

middleview

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Maybe they should, put it to a vote. Make sure the Ukrainian people know that the West has paid the corrupt people who run their country BILLIONS of dollars to drag this out for as long as possible.......

If anyone actually cared about the people that are dying they would already be suing for Peace, but ya know.... you don't get to do photo shoots for Vogue if you are suing for Peace....

PS. NATO didn't even want the Ukraine, why? Too Corrupt..........this war is a farce, avoidable farce that has killed thousands upon thousands.......
Since Putin invaded even though there was no Nato membership in the near future...why did he do it? You continue to blame Ukraine, Zelensky, Biden...and Nato.

The facts show Putin didn't care about anything but empire. He stated numerous times that Ukraine was an inseparable part of Mother Russia...

You claim "corrupt people" are being paid to keep the war going...quit pulling accusations out of your ass. If you have evidence, where is it. Otherwise, the people of Ukraine could have surrendered and are fighting like hell because they do not want to return to Russian rule.
 
Since Putin invaded even though there was no Nato membership in the near future...why did he do it? You continue to blame Ukraine, Zelensky, Biden...and Nato.

The facts show Putin didn't care about anything but empire. He stated numerous times that Ukraine was an inseparable part of Mother Russia...

You claim "corrupt people" are being paid to keep the war going...quit pulling accusations out of your ass. If you have evidence, where is it. Otherwise, the people of Ukraine could have surrendered and are fighting like hell because they do not want to return to Russian rule.
Putin does not care about anything but Empire? Who cares. He can do little about it unless the leadership of the US and NATO is so inept he knows he can do what he wants.... which he did. Why? Joe Biden number 1, Putin still remembers owning him and Obama over Syria and....... the way Joe did the Afghanistan withdraw.........

Really evidence of the corruption that is rampid in the Ukraine? Are we supposed to forget about all the reporting done by those right wing bastions Time and Newsweek on that very subject, including articles on the Azov being Nazi's...... which of course they are....... Do they being Nazi's justify Putin's invasion no, but can we stop pretending that the Ukraines fighting for thier current leadership is fighitng for a democracy...........they are not.

Prior to this war it was known that Ukraine was the money laundering capitol of the planet, you are denying that now?

Oh, that's right whatever does not fit the narrative which you defend at all cost must be forgotten. In the typical "We'll know what you think when we tell you" fashion that sums up the Regime you support....

According to Transparency International's 2021 Corruption Perceptions Index, (a scale of least to most corrupt nations), Ukraine ranked 122nd out of 180 countries in 2021, the second most corrupt in Europe, with Russia the most at 136.[7]

Does anyone know where that 40 billion is actually going? .....Beuller.......... Meanwhile the CCP now has a Navy larger then ours and is building military bases all over the world.....but Russia..... with an army that can barely get out of it's own way is the problem..........

This is a clinic in Useful Idiocy.
 
Convenient. But no. Ukrainians will fight to the end
No, they will fight until the people who run the country feel thier positions are at risk ...... until then, those people who run the country will continue to not give a shit how many people die and it will be business as usual....

They have 40 billion to ensure that happens and because our Congress, Presidency is so f-cking stupid, that money will continue to flow...

I look forward to more Vogue photo shoots, perhaps Zelensky can be the next judge on America's got Talent......
 

middleview

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Putin does not care about anything but Empire? Who cares. He can do little about it unless the leadership of the US and NATO is so inept he knows he can do what he wants.... which he did. Why? Joe Biden number 1, Putin still remembers owning him and Obama over Syria and....... the way Joe did the Afghanistan withdraw.........

Really evidence of the corruption that is rampid in the Ukraine? Are we supposed to forget about all the reporting done by those right wing bastions Time and Newsweek on that very subject, including articles on the Azov being Nazi's...... which of course they are....... Do they being Nazi's justify Putin's invasion no, but can we stop pretending that the Ukraines fighting for thier current leadership is fighitng for a democracy...........they are not.

Prior to this war it was known that Ukraine was the money laundering capitol of the planet, you are denying that now?

Oh, that's right whatever does not fit the narrative which you defend at all cost must be forgotten. In the typical "We'll know what you think when we tell you" fashion that sums up the Regime you support....

According to Transparency International's 2021 Corruption Perceptions Index, (a scale of least to most corrupt nations), Ukraine ranked 122nd out of 180 countries in 2021, the second most corrupt in Europe, with Russia the most at 136.[7]

Does anyone know where that 40 billion is actually going? .....Beuller.......... Meanwhile the CCP now has a Navy larger then ours and is building military bases all over the world.....but Russia..... with an army that can barely get out of it's own way is the problem..........

This is a clinic in Useful Idiocy.
Who cares? The f*cking Ukrainians care. Corrupt? That is exactly why Shokin was fired. Look up the diamond scandal. Shokin was firing anyone who attempted to investigate his former driver who murdered a diamond merchant and stole diamonds from his apartment. In any case...you make claims without providing links to verifiable information. Who said it was the money laundering capitol? Is that why Manafort was doing business there?

Yes...the CCP has the largest navy in the world. Do they have more combat ships than the US? No. They have 9 missile subs. We have 18 Ohio class nuclear subs,
They have two active aircraft carriers...we have 11. Two of theirs carry about 30 aircraft...Ours carry 75.

Does anyone know where our aid is going? Clearly you do not really know how it works. They get an allocation that they can use to buy weapons from US supplies.
Most of what they get come from US military supplies. Some from US defense companies...like the drones. Yes..we know what they are getting.
 

middleview

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No, they will fight until the people who run the country feel thier positions are at risk ...... until then, those people who run the country will continue to not give a shit how many people die and it will be business as usual....

They have 40 billion to ensure that happens and because our Congress, Presidency is so f-cking stupid, that money will continue to flow...

I look forward to more Vogue photo shoots, perhaps Zelensky can be the next judge on America's got Talent......
Yup...way better that they surrender about 1/3rd of the country to Putin, eh? The people of Ukraine don't think so.

Would you be willing to give up that much of the US to an invader?
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Who cares? The f*cking Ukrainians care. Corrupt? That is exactly why Shokin was fired. Look up the diamond scandal. Shokin was firing anyone who attempted to investigate his former driver who murdered a diamond merchant and stole diamonds from his apartment. In any case...you make claims without providing links to verifiable information. Who said it was the money laundering capitol? Is that why Manafort was doing business there?

Yes...the CCP has the largest navy in the world. Do they have more combat ships than the US? No. They have 9 missile subs. We have 18 Ohio class nuclear subs,
They have two active aircraft carriers...we have 11. Two of theirs carry about 30 aircraft...Ours carry 75.

Does anyone know where our aid is going? Clearly you do not really know how it works. They get an allocation that they can use to buy weapons from US supplies.
Most of what they get come from US military supplies. Some from US defense companies...like the drones. Yes..we know what they are getting.
According to authoritarianview, Viktor Shokin was the only corrupt person in Ukraine.

Yes, we know what they are getting. But we don't know where it is going.
 

middleview

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According to authoritarianview, Viktor Shokin was the only corrupt person in Ukraine.

Yes, we know what they are getting. But we don't know where it is going.
Where did I claim Shokin was the only corrupt person...but he was head of the national prosecutor's office. As long as he was getting payoffs to prevent investigations there was not going to be any improvement.

You are making an accusation, but haven't got an ounce of evidence. Why do you bother?

Oh..."authoritarianview"? How cute. Please notice that very few posters here engage in that kind of juvenile tactic. Just sayin'
 

middleview

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Yeah, both coasts...
So you'd give up North and South Carolina, Georgia and Florida?

As an American patriot and veteran of military service...there is not an inch of US soil or not one citizen I would hesitate to defend....Even Florida and Mar-A-Lago....

well....maybe not Mar-A- Lago.
 
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