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Good news is bad news in latest jobs report.

Bugsy McGurk

President
Sure, Trump cultists will continue with the gaslighting, but sane, non-brainwashed Americans will see through it as Fox News and their ilk continue with their Orwellian nonsense.

The Biden era has truly been a remarkable era of recovery and growth.
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
Sure, Trump cultists will continue with the gaslighting, but sane, non-brainwashed Americans will see through it as Fox News and their ilk continue with their Orwellian nonsense.

The Biden era has truly been a remarkable era of recovery and growth.
You mean like looking at stock market returns and inflation rates under Biden's term?

How dare all of those stupid Americans look at their investment statements and grocery bills and not appreciate what a great job Biden has done for them.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
You mean like looking at stock market returns and inflation rates under Biden's term?

How dare all of those stupid Americans look at their investment statements and grocery bills and not appreciate what a great job Biden has done for them.
FYI, the stock markets are soaring. And inflation has been dramatically reduced in the USA - a remarkable feat given the global inflation.

I’m sorry, but you really have nothing left to carp about. All objective economic metrics in the USA are excellent.
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
FYI, the stock markets are soaring. And inflation has been dramatically reduced in the USA - a remarkable feat given the global inflation.

I’m sorry, but you really have nothing left to carp about. All objective economic metrics in the USA are excellent.

All you have to do is look at the stock market levels today and compare them to where they were when Biden took office. The rate of growth under Biden has not even been average.

Now check inflation. Look at the CPI when Biden took office and compare it to what it is today. Again - AWFUL.

We've averaged 10-12% per year stock market returns historically. Inflation has averaged around 2% this century. Biden has delivered below average returns and over DOUBLE the inflation. Those are the facts.

Yes things are starting to get under control. But you don't get credit for pulling the car out of the ditch that you drove it into.

They American people know that Biden has been bad for the economy. It shows in the numbers and it shows in the polls.

Take off the BidenBlinders™
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
All you have to do is look at the stock market levels today and compare them to where they were when Biden took office. The rate of growth under Biden has not even been average.

Now check inflation. Look at the CPI when Biden took office and compare it to what it is today. Again - AWFUL.

We've averaged 10-12% per year stock market returns historically. Inflation has averaged around 2% this century. Biden has delivered below average returns and over DOUBLE the inflation. Those are the facts.

Yes things are starting to get under control. But you don't get credit for pulling the car out of the ditch that you drove it into.

They American people know that Biden has been bad for the economy. It shows in the numbers and it shows in the polls.

Take off the BidenBlinders™
Blaming Biden for the global inflation and market performance, and giving him no credit for the progress in those areas, is, of course, ridiculous. Fox Noise quality gibberish.

But you do your thing.
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
Blaming Biden for the global inflation and market performance, and giving him no credit for the progress in those areas, is, of course, ridiculous. Fox Noise quality gibberish.

But you do your thing.
It's a really simple equation. Repeat after me:

When things go bad the President takes the blame.
When things go good the President gets the credit.

As of today under Biden - the stock market has delivered less than average returns and Inflation is over double wht it has averaged in this century.

You wanna brag about that - go for it. But even the Biden campaign isn't talking about "Bidenomics" much these days. How can they?

You wanna say - Joe isn't responsible for all of the economic damage suffered between January 2021 and now. But he is responsible for things looking a bit better in the last 6 months. See how well that works for you.

Americans can read their investment statements and their gas receipts and their grocery bills. Things are not good regardless of whatever White House Press release you want to quote from.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
All you have to do is look at the stock market levels today and compare them to where they were when Biden took office. The rate of growth under Biden has not even been average.

Now check inflation. Look at the CPI when Biden took office and compare it to what it is today. Again - AWFUL.

We've averaged 10-12% per year stock market returns historically. Inflation has averaged around 2% this century. Biden has delivered below average returns and over DOUBLE the inflation. Those are the facts.

Yes things are starting to get under control. But you don't get credit for pulling the car out of the ditch that you drove it into.

They American people know that Biden has been bad for the economy. It shows in the numbers and it shows in the polls.

Take off the BidenBlinders™
So Covid had nothing at all to do with supply chain problems? Didn't have any impact on oil production? Unemployment was stable all through 2020? No real hit on GDP?

It is simply wrong to try to blame Biden (or Trump) for inflation. It is also false to blame Biden for what the Fed does with interest rates.

The car went into the ditch in 2020.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
You can count on that. No thanks for me. I'm done with that.
It does get old.

The carpers insist that Biden is to blame for the global inflation. There’s just no way to deal with such irrational drivel.

Same with the markets. The carpers argue that the market growth is “not enough.” But what is “enough”?

Bottom line - the carpers just refuse to accept that all objective economic metrics are favorable. We cannot make them accept reality.
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
It does get old.

The carpers insist that Biden is to blame for the global inflation. There’s just no way to deal with such irrational drivel.

Same with the markets. The carpers argue that the market growth is “not enough.” But what is “enough”?

Bottom line - the carpers just refuse to accept that all objective economic metrics are favorable. We cannot make them accept reality.

Objective economic metrics are things like the stock market returns and inflation which show a dismal performance - also unemployment numbers for which Biden is doing just fine.

Fair is fair - it just doesn't make Biden look good. Why do you think all the polls show that Biden is not doing a good job with the economy. You slam voters for being stupid but they can see how they've fared under Biden's economy. That's why you chuckleheads are bragging about Bidenomics any more. AmIRite?
 

Spamature

President
You mean like looking at stock market returns and inflation rates under Biden's term?

How dare all of those stupid Americans look at their investment statements and grocery bills and not appreciate what a great job Biden has done for them.
The stock market is exactly why the post is titled the way it is.

Investment was ready to hit the accelerator on the hope of a bad report on jobs and wage growth. A bad report would have signaled that the fed was going to loosen up on interest rates in the upcoming Dec12th meeting.

The hope was the ADP report would be in line with the BLS, but the BLS report showed nearly double the number of new jobs created. Also, wage growth picked up. Which is why too much good news is also bad news.
 

Addy

Rebuild With Biden!
FYI, the stock markets are soaring. And inflation has been dramatically reduced in the USA - a remarkable feat given the global inflation.

I’m sorry, but you really have nothing left to carp about. All objective economic metrics in the USA are excellent.
One can only wonder if those receiving their stimulus money saved any of it for a rainy day. I heard experts advising them to consider doing just that.
Anyway, we are ahead of other nations as well as beating out China's economy...
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Why the US economy has powered ahead of other rich nations

Analysis by Alicia Wallace and Hanna Ziady, CNN
6 minute read
Published 9:58 AM EST, Thu December 7, 2023
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Several major bank CEOs, meanwhile, including Citigroup’s Jane Fraser and JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon, have warned that the US economy could soon find itself on a less sure footing.

But longer-term, the picture looks brighter and could further cement America’s lead over Europe in the coming years.

President Joe Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act, which is set to channel $369 billion toward clean energy projects, could attract even more investment into the United States, already one of the best places to raise capital globally.

In artificial intelligence alone, cumulative venture capital investment in the United States reached nearly $450 billion over the past decade, according to OECD data. That’s more than double the AI investment in China and nearly 10 times that in either the European Union or the United Kingdom.

A concentration of innovative tech companies and a rapid uptake of new technologies have helped the United States notch strong productivity gains, especially as compared with Europe and the UK, said Andrew Kenningham, chief Europe economist at Capital Economics.

And with the United States poised, according to Kenningham, to make the most of developments in AI, that gap could widen.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
So Covid had nothing at all to do with supply chain problems? Didn't have any impact on oil production? Unemployment was stable all through 2020? No real hit on GDP?

It is simply wrong to try to blame Biden (or Trump) for inflation. It is also false to blame Biden for what the Fed does with interest rates.

The car went into the ditch in 2020.
Covid? [Unwelcome language removed] no! It was all the lockdowns and closures that did it - and THAT was all done by you Democrats and your minions in the federal & state & county bureaucracies. Covid was just an innocent bystander in all of that...
 

Spamature

President
Covid? [Unwelcome language removed] no! It was all the lockdowns and closures that did it - and THAT was all done by you Democrats and your minions in the federal & state & county bureaucracies. Covid was just an innocent bystander in all of that...
So in even in red states with Republican governors, it was the Democrats who order the shut-downs ?
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Which ones ?
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Objective economic metrics are things like the stock market returns and inflation which show a dismal performance - also unemployment numbers for which Biden is doing just fine.

Fair is fair - it just doesn't make Biden look good. Why do you think all the polls show that Biden is not doing a good job with the economy. You slam voters for being stupid but they can see how they've fared under Biden's economy. That's why you chuckleheads are bragging about Bidenomics any more. AmIRite?
I addressed the drivel about the global inflation and stock markets above.

Why do polls not reflect the fact that all objective economic metrics are excellent? Because of people like you, especially those in the GOP and the media, who do not honestly describe those economic conditions. Gaslighting. Brainwashing. Call it what you will. The metrics are what they are regardless of polls.
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
I addressed the drivel about the global inflation and stock markets above.

Why do polls not reflect the fact that all objective economic metrics are excellent? Because of people like you, especially those in the GOP and the media, who do not honestly describe those economic conditions. Gaslighting. Brainwashing. Call it what you will. The metrics are what they are regardless of polls.
The metrics are EXACTLY why people see that Biden's economic performance is dismal.

They see grocery and gas prices. They see their investment statements.

The gaslighter here is YOU.

Funny how you had no problem with polls of those same people disapproving of Trump's handling of COVID. Now you think those same people are stupid or brainwashed.

Here;s the simple fact - people are smart enough to tell the difference between what is good and what is bad.

Trump was bad. Biden is bad.

Deal with it keep deluding yourself.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Covid? [Unwelcome language removed] no! It was all the lockdowns and closures that did it - and THAT was all done by you Democrats and your minions in the federal & state & county bureaucracies. Covid was just an innocent bystander in all of that...
I guess you forgot Trump's national lockdown...or ones by republican governors...

Lockdowns happened all over the country and in akmost every country. China's lockdown created the biggest supply chain problem...
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
The metrics are EXACTLY why people see that Biden's economic performance is dismal.

They see grocery and gas prices. They see their investment statements.

The gaslighter here is YOU.

Funny how you had no problem with polls of those same people disapproving of Trump's handling of COVID. Now you think those same people are stupid or brainwashed.

Here;s the simple fact - people are smart enough to tell the difference between what is good and what is bad.

Trump was bad. Biden is bad.

Deal with it keep deluding yourself.
You ignore all the objective metrics I have smushed in your face and then just baldly describe them as “dismal.” You just can’t make an honest case.

I think you’ve been staring at Fox Noise too much.

;-)
 
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