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Bugsy McGurk

President
I guess you forgot Trump's national lockdown...or ones by republican governors...

Lockdowns happened all over the country and in akmost every country. China's lockdown created the biggest supply chain problem...
Without the lockdowns in the early pre-vaccine/pre-mask days of the Covid pandemic our hospitals would have been completely overwhelmed and society would have degenerated in to a Mad Max level dystopian nightmare.

Trump cultists have flushed that reality down their memory hole.
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
You ignore all the objective metrics I have smushed in your face and then just baldly describe them as “dismal.” You just can’t make an honest case.

I think you’ve been staring at Fox Noise too much.

;-)
change in CPI - objective metric

change of S&P500 - objective metric

what can I say?

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middleview

President
Supporting Member
The metrics are EXACTLY why people see that Biden's economic performance is dismal.

They see grocery and gas prices. They see their investment statements.

The gaslighter here is YOU.

Funny how you had no problem with polls of those same people disapproving of Trump's handling of COVID. Now you think those same people are stupid or brainwashed.

Here;s the simple fact - people are smart enough to tell the difference between what is good and what is bad.

Trump was bad. Biden is bad.

Deal with it keep deluding yourself.
Sadly, many voters have never taken an economics or a civics class.

1. What has Biden done as president that impacted gas prices? Ultimately, the increases in gas prices have to do with decisions by oil companies (and OPEC) to cut production. All other price increases can be traced back to that and supply chain issues caused by Covid.

2. The DJIA average closing price was 21,750 in 2017. It was 26,890 in 2020. It is now 33,933.

3. Trump gave out conflicting advice during the pandemic. He even admitted that he intentionally downplayed the danger....he said he didn't want people to panic...
He suggested bizarre cures and treatments...and the look on Deb Birx's face told the whole story when he suggested internal application of disinfectants or drugs that had already been discounted as potential treatments.

Trump was bad.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
I guess you forgot Trump's national lockdown...or ones by republican governors...

Lockdowns happened all over the country and in akmost every country. China's lockdown created the biggest supply chain problem...
The republicans almost immediately realized that the democrats' "two weeks to slow the spread" was turning into "kill the economy and Trump's re-election will die." And it was astonishing to see how powerful the (unelected) bureaucrats had become in that they blocked every effort by republicans (in all but a few places) to reopen sooner.

And the lockdowns are widely seen as public policy failures except for the circles you run in with the rest of the proto-neofascists who didn't really give two sh*ts about the dying (or you would have allowed more consideration of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin). All you cared about was making people believe sh*t that wasn't so (you still do it here every day). Because once you have the power to control what people believe you can control them. And that's all you people really care about...
 

Spamature

President
Pretty much, yeah. The politicians were undermined by the bureaucrats (and big tech and big media and the medical, social, welfare industrial complex).
The federal govt had no power to do it.
So, in which Republican run state did Democrats force the state to shut down ?
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
How many of the 199,000 jobs pay enough for employee to purchase a new Home_
is that enough space for your answer
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
The republicans almost immediately realized that the democrats' "two weeks to slow the spread" was turning into "kill the economy and Trump's re-election will die." And it was astonishing to see how powerful the (unelected) bureaucrats had become in that they blocked every effort by republicans (in all but a few places) to reopen sooner.

And the lockdowns are widely seen as public policy failures except for the circles you run in with the rest of the proto-neofascists who didn't really give two sh*ts about the dying (or you would have allowed more consideration of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin). All you cared about was making people believe sh*t that wasn't so (you still do it here every day). Because once you have the power to control what people believe you can control them. And that's all you people really care about...
If bad enough again that CDC says wear mask again why no school closings, etc under Biden..............yes, sain people know why, of course Joey's economy is already so bad shut downs not needed to control the masses.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
You’re a two trick pony- global inflation and one stock index over a selective period of time. You just ignore all objective economic metrics. Your two tricks are very boring.
So why Reply?
You and your "metrics" damn sure not going to change the minds of the 60% of Americans living pay check to pay check.
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
You’re a two trick pony- global inflation and one stock index over a selective period of time. You just ignore all objective economic metrics. Your two tricks are very boring.
Take any stock index you prefer. I chose the S&P500 because it is typically used as the standard. Take the NASDAQ, the Dow or the Russell 2000 or any other standard index that purports to map the US economy - it's all the same.

No complaints about the CPI? What would you rather use as a measure of inflation?
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
Sadly, many voters have never taken an economics or a civics class.

1. What has Biden done as president that impacted gas prices? Ultimately, the increases in gas prices have to do with decisions by oil companies (and OPEC) to cut production. All other price increases can be traced back to that and supply chain issues caused by Covid.

2. The DJIA average closing price was 21,750 in 2017. It was 26,890 in 2020. It is now 33,933.

3. Trump gave out conflicting advice during the pandemic. He even admitted that he intentionally downplayed the danger....he said he didn't want people to panic...
He suggested bizarre cures and treatments...and the look on Deb Birx's face told the whole story when he suggested internal application of disinfectants or drugs that had already been discounted as potential treatments.

Trump was bad.
1- WHoever is the President gets the credit when things are good and takes the blame when things are bad. By the way - weren't you crowing about gas prices going down over the summer and giving Biden credit? I gues he can't do anything about gas prices UNLESS they go down - AmIRite?

2- The Dow opened at 19,827.25 on 1/21/2017 the day Trump took office. It closed at 31,176.01on 1/21/2017 - the day he left office and Biden took over. It sits at 36,247.87 today. You wanna do the math and see who had the higher percentage gain using the actual numbers or only if you cherry pick the dates?

3. Trump is an idiot, a scumbag and a terrible human being. You are correct in all of number 3. None of that means that Biden has been an effective President.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
Tell us what Biden has done to cause inflation....or even to contribute to it.
That is a stupid question. Let me ask the question that you should have asked: "Tell us what Biden has done to make inflation worse"?

The answer to that (and the 2nd part of your original question:

1) Biden did almost nothing to use the power of the federal government to ease the supply chain issues. The claimed it would work itself out which it took an agonizingly long time to do and increased inflation by causing shortages of goods.

2) Biden's administration completely misread the dangers of the oncoming inflation claiming it would be transitory. They did nothing for far too long. This is not debatable as Geriatric Janet Yellen has already publicly apologized for this mistake.

3) Biden pumped $1.9Trillion inflationary dollars into an already heating up economy coming out of the pandemic. The entire idea of the stimulus is to pump money into the economy - of course this increased inflation - that is exactly what a stimulus program is designed to do. It wasn't needed and it cause who knows how much additional inflation.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
You’re a two trick pony- global inflation and one stock index over a selective period of time. You just ignore all objective economic metrics. Your two tricks are very boring.
And you are a one trick pony - fellate democrats 24/7.
 
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