I, too, am in favor of reparations.

[Dawg]

Better yet I will remember your words and challenge you the next time you do it and then remind you about our discussion here.

I haven't called you a racist.
Stop trying to play the victim to avoid being honest about how you feel.

So where's the many many you lied of?

Better yet I will remember your words and challenge you the next time you do it and then remind you about our discussion here.

I haven't called you a racist.
Stop trying to play the victim to avoid being honest about how you feel.

So, you lied of the many many post
no surprise

 

[Dawg]

another little baby is born in the Cali Ghetto due to Reparations Committee
Deadbeat dads bailing on child support is woke now, per California activists (msn.com)

Damning the black babies, no wonder leftist support Planned Parenthood and Abortions

 

[Spamature]

So where's the many many you lied of?


So, you lied of the many many post
no surprise

Now let's explore your racial resentments in regards to reparations. I hope you are embarrassed in front of readers for having tried to change the subject. Your responses outside of the topic will be ignored.
Conservatives do not want kids to know things like this

Nightly news................now over 100,000 have overdosed and died due to pandemic and illegals don't need ships to bring their killer drugs into America

 

[Dawg]

Now let's explore your racial resentments in regards to reparations. I hope you are embarrassed in front of readers for having tried to change the subject. Your responses outside of the topic will be ignored.
Conservatives do not want kids to know things like this

Nightly news................now over 100,000 have overdosed and died due to pandemic and illegals don't need ships to bring their killer drugs into America

That's your "many many"

Mother of the Year
Who is Samarria White? Georgia mom arrested after video of her child being dragged by hair goes viral (msn.com)

 

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That's your "many many"

Mother of the Year
Who is Samarria White? Georgia mom arrested after video of her child being dragged by hair goes viral (msn.com)

You said you NEVER said it.

This thread is about reparations.
Not where you moan and whine about other topics.
If you want to do that start your own thread.

Now, back to where we left off.

Please explain why you hold racial resentments in regards to reparations.

 

[Dawg]

You said you NEVER said it.

This thread is about reparations.
Not where you moan and whine about other topics.
If you want to do that start your own thread.

Now, back to where we left off.

Please explain why you hold racial resentments in regards to reparations.

Liar
You wasn't a SLAVE and don't deserve reparations
ALL that were Slaves may, especially the Irish slaves
White and Black Dems owned the Slaves, let them pay

 

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Liar
You wasn't a SLAVE and don't deserve reparations
ALL that were Slaves may, especially the Irish slaves
White and Black Dems owned the Slaves, let them pay

Were you at ground zero when the terrorist attacked ?
If not then why should you care, or believe that anything should have been done in response to that crime ?

Is your attitude those people in the building just got what was coming to them and since it wasn't you, you should have just shut up about it, right ?

In fact that should go for anything evil where you were not directly a victim.

Right ?

Every right wing gripe you post on should only be made if they are one of the direct victims of the outrage.
Let's see you live by the rule you want others to abide by.

 

[middleview]

The simple answer to the Ludicrous idea of reparations for blacks, is > why would/should anythIng be paid to people who have been the BENEFICIARIE$$$ of racial discrimination for the past 57 years ?
The answer: so Democrats can SUCK-UP to blacks, to get their VOTES.

How many blacks actually received any sort of preferential treatment? How many whites were actually impacted by affirmative action. I'm 70. I have not met one single person in either one of those groups in my entire career. I've been a hiring manager. Never been told by any of the companies I worked for that I should give preference to any individual due to race, religion gender or sexual preference.

Quit whining.

 

[Dawg]

"white skin makes you sub human"
“White Skin Is Sub-Human”: Black Lives Matter Co-Founder Ignites Storm of Rage With “Racist” Remarks (msn.com)
Reparations

 

[eyesee]

The real question has always been how to get it done.

The other thread in this forum shows the length and breath of denial and obstruction such a plan would face. Whether it comes from ignorance or malevolence, it is and always has been the unwavering obstacle in the road to the resolution to America's greatest injustice.

How it could be and should be done is based upon a very simple idea.

From 1789 when the US Constitution was enacted until the 13 Amendment was enacted, the established govt of the United States of American allowed for the enslavement of its own people. That amounts to 75 yrs of 100% taxation on enslaved blacks while they went without representation from the US govt.

This is the premise under which reparations should be enacted.

For those 75yrs, black Americans should be allowed to repair the harm that has been done by slavery.
This is not a plan that addresses discrimination. That issue is too complicated and runs through too many intersections of race, class, and American social structure, to include in the addressing the issue of slavery.

The idea is simple. It would cost nothing, and it would be a huge benefit to the nation as a whole.
No taxation with full unadulterated representation for a period of 75yrs.
But this too would have a different structure than you might think.

The truth be told, the main obstacle to reparations is not the money, but who benefits from the reparations process.
And the obvious fact of that is that unless whites can see a benefit for themselves in reparations, the action will forever be opposed by that group.
Funny thing about that, is that whites can not help but benefit from it, nor would they even consider not benefitting from it should it be enacted.
But the easiest course to take is to make that benefit apparent to those who have the most sway, Corporate America.

Here is a flow chart and its breakdown.
You start in the bottom left corner.
It starts with blacks paying for their own reparations with their own tax dollars.
It's a loan on money that is actually owed.
This would allow both sides to be okay with the idea that those who oppose reparations
Those who oppose reparation can still say that they never gave blacks anything.
And blacks can always tell those who opposed it the very same, you never paid a dime of the money anyway.

Not only that, but it's structured to bring about $5 trillion in investment into the US economy in the first round.
Business in America would be overjoyed in participating in such a profit making scheme when they partner with the effort.
Because their partnership would also pay NO TAXES to any kind, and which would lead to most of those taxes returned to them by meeting certain employment and investment goal objectives.




You people who want reparations paid to blacks because their ancestors may have been slaves make me sick. What about all the Whites who died to free their worthless asses. If any of them managed to have any children, how much are you going to charge their descendants. Or how much do people have to pay when their ancestors didn't even live in the U.S. at the time of slavery. Like it or not, you are talking about people who didn't own slaves paying money to those who aren't slaves.

 

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You people who want reparations paid to blacks because their ancestors may have been slaves make me sick. What about all the Whites who died to free their worthless asses. If any of them managed to have any children, how much are you going to charge their descendants. Or how much do people have to pay when their ancestors didn't even live in the U.S. at the time of slavery. Like it or not, you are talking about people who didn't own slaves paying money to those who aren't slaves.

Slavery was mass kidnapping to acquire the slaves.
Mass rape to increase their numbers.
Both in pursuit of the robbing their captives for centuries for their labor.

More slaves died from slavery and the fight against slavery, than whites who fought to undo the slavery whites imposed.

If you read the top post, then you would know they pay NOTHING. This is not about getting money from whites. It is about blacks recreating and reclaiming the wealth stolen from them in the massive kidnapping, robbery, rape allowed by our govt against black people.

So maybe you guys should try reading before you take the step of commenting.
It might prevent you from making worthless asses of yourselves with invective racial comments

 

[eyesee]

Slavery was mass kidnapping to acquire the slaves.
Mass rape to increase their numbers.
Both in pursuit of the robbing their captives for centuries for their labor.

More slaves died from slavery and the fight against slavery, than whites who fought to undo the slavery whites imposed.

If you read the top post, then you would know they pay NOTHING. This is not about getting money from whites. It is about blacks recreating and reclaiming the wealth stolen from them in the massive kidnapping, robbery, rape allowed by our govt against black people.

So maybe you guys should try reading before you take the step of commenting.
It might prevent you from making worthless asses of yourselves with invective racial comments

Whites didn't kidnap anybody. Blacks in Africa did. Maybe the blacks here should be seeking reparations from them. Next, there is no way that more blacks died in the Civil War than Union Whites. As for the history of slavery, maybe more blacks died then. But everybody dies. You can't blame all that on slavery. And there were many blacks who would have fought for the South if they were allowed to. So it couldn't have been that bad.

Another point is that the whole reason for having black slaves was for having them to do work. Human have known from before there was even written language that when they used any animals to do work, they got more work out of them if they were treated well. Having black slaves wasn't about to make any human unlearn such ancient history.

Here is another point to ponder. Find me any american black who wants reparations for slavery. (Or whatever) Have them tell me that they would rather be living in Africa right now rather than here. If they would rather be living here, then they have nothing to bitch about.

 

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Whites didn't kidnap anybody. Blacks in Africa did. Maybe the blacks here should be seeking reparations from them. Next, there is no way that more blacks died in the Civil War than Union Whites. As for the history of slavery, maybe more blacks died then. But everybody dies. You can't blame all that on slavery. And there were many blacks who would have fought for the South if they were allowed to. So it couldn't have been that bad.

Another point is that the whole reason for having black slaves was for having them to do work. Human have known from before there was even written language that when they used any animals to do work, they got more work out of them if they were treated well. Having black slaves wasn't about to make any human unlearn such ancient history.

Here is another point to ponder. Find me any american black who wants reparations for slavery. (Or whatever) Have them tell me that they would rather be living in Africa right now rather than here. If they would rather be living here, then they have nothing to bitch about.

Did blacks in Africa operate the slave trade in America ?
If not, then they have nothing to do with this subject.
This is about righting a wrong that was done by our govt to its own people.

I said in slavery and the fight against it.
Millions of black people died at the hands of that American institution.
The deaths in that war don't compare to the numbers who lost their lives to slavery in this country. For you to say slavery must not have been that bad shows how ignorant you are of what happened in this country.

By "do work" rob them of their labor for centuries, and in doing so rob their future generations of what would have been bequeathed to them. You seem to write as if there was some kind of right given to whites to enslave black people. That captivity rape torture and degradation for profit and based upon skin color is some kind of natural order. Where do you think this right to immorality comes from ?

Why would a black person want to be removed from the country his people helped build ? Considering the time they have been in this country, they are more America than most of the Europeans who came here long after the vast majority black people were here, maybe that question would be better if asked to the newcomers rather than those who help found and build this nation. Even better question to ask whites today if they would have rather live in a much less affluent and wealthy America that did not prosper from the hundreds of years of free labor that is at the root of its national wealth even to this day.

 

[Spamature]

"white skin makes you sub human"
“White Skin Is Sub-Human”: Black Lives Matter Co-Founder Ignites Storm of Rage With “Racist” Remarks (msn.com)
Reparations

Why post that here.
Reparations are about lessening racial tensions.
Why try to stir up more by repeating that here ?

 

[middleview]

Slavery was mass kidnapping to acquire the slaves.
Mass rape to increase their numbers.
Both in pursuit of the robbing their captives for centuries for their labor.

More slaves died from slavery and the fight against slavery, than whites who fought to undo the slavery whites imposed.

If you read the top post, then you would know they pay NOTHING. This is not about getting money from whites. It is about blacks recreating and reclaiming the wealth stolen from them in the massive kidnapping, robbery, rape allowed by our govt against black people.

So maybe you guys should try reading before you take the step of commenting.
It might prevent you from making worthless asses of yourselves with invective racial comments

1. Yes, slavery was a horrific stain on the history of our nation.
2. Mass rape? The owners certainly did want to increase the number of slaves they owned as well as wanting to expand slave states to have more demand for the sale of slaves. Bloody Kansas was entirely related to creating markets for slaves.
3. Reclaiming wealth from whom? I did not profit from slavery. Why would my tax money go to payments to people who were never slaves?

If you can identify someone or some entity who profited from slavery, fine...add something to their tax bill. Direct payments to people who were never slaves? No. How about funding education for the ancestors of slaves?

 

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1. Yes, slavery was a horrific stain on the history of our nation.
2. Mass rape? The owners certainly did want to increase the number of slaves they owned as well as wanting to expand slave states to have more demand for the sale of slaves. Bloody Kansas was entirely related to creating markets for slaves.
3. Reclaiming wealth from whom? I did not profit from slavery. Why would my tax money go to payments to people who were never slaves?

If you can identify someone or some entity who profited from slavery, fine...add something to their tax bill. Direct payments to people who were never slaves? No. How about funding education for the ancestors of slaves?

1. yeah

2. A slave could not give or revoke consent to her master.
Increasing the number of slaves is just another way to say rape.

3. Reclaim it from and through our economic system.
Slaves were not just labor. They were an economic commodity that could be borrowed against. Wall Street started as a slave market, and some of the largest enterprises in this country today used slaves as a commodity and capital to create wealth that exist to this day.

The very idea behind the top post is to do to black for themselves what was done to them, only this time they are the beneficiaries of their own worth and value they create. It was stolen, and it will never be given back. Then the only way to get it back is to recreate it themselves. Which is the real economic truth behind all of it.

 

[middleview]

1. yeah

2. A slave could not give or revoke consent to her master.
Increasing the number of slaves is just another way to say rape.

3. Reclaim it from and through our economic system.
Slaves were not just labor. They were an economic commodity that could be borrowed against. Wall Street started as a slave market, and some of the largest enterprises in this country today used slaves as a commodity and capital to create wealth that exist to this day.

The very idea behind the top post is to do to black for themselves what was done to them, only this time they are the beneficiaries of their own worth and value they create. It was stolen, and it will never be given back. Then the only way to get it back is to recreate it themselves. Which is the real economic truth behind all of it.

There certainly was rape. Was it a massive kind of crime. Don't know, but doubt it.

Reclaim it through the economic system? Be specific. Where does the money come from? The money doesn't come out of thin air. It is silly to attempt to argue that it doesn't come out of someone's pocket.

 

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There certainly was rape. Was it a massive kind of crime. Don't know, but doubt it.

Reclaim it through the economic system? Be specific. Where does the money come from? The money doesn't come out of thin air. It is silly to attempt to argue that it doesn't come out of someone's pocket.

Two simple premises

The govt should not profit from reparations to the people it harmed.

The "if not for rule" in the law.
Meaning, in not for reparations would this investment, and profits exist ?

You create a govt financial instrument from all value of taxes paid by black Americans for 75 yrs into the future (which is the length of time the US govt existed and kept black in bondage). Since black Americans will continue to pay their taxes, the debt to the govt for this instrument would be fulfilled.

Now that financial instrument can be used to back reparations. Since any taxable income above what blacks would have paid or created by reparation financial activities would have to be rebated to the trust. This rebate would be used to repay investors, along with a portion of profits from business ventures funded by the instrument. So the instrument is govt backed but pays more than the govt would on its own financial instruments. Which should make it a more attractive investment than regular govt debt, but just as safe. Nor could you tax the investments of partners in the reparations operations. Which would make partnering attractive to large ongoing enterprises.

 

[eyesee]

Did blacks in Africa operate the slave trade in America ?
If not, then they have nothing to do with this subject.
This is about righting a wrong that was done by our govt to its own people.

I said in slavery and the fight against it.
Millions of black people died at the hands of that American institution.
The deaths in that war don't compare to the numbers who lost their lives to slavery in this country. For you to say slavery must not have been that bad shows how ignorant you are of what happened in this country.

By "do work" rob them of their labor for centuries, and in doing so rob their future generations of what would have been bequeathed to them. You seem to write as if there was some kind of right given to whites to enslave black people. That captivity rape torture and degradation for profit and based upon skin color is some kind of natural order. Where do you think this right to immorality comes from ?

Why would a black person want to be removed from the country his people helped build ? Considering the time they have been in this country, they are more America than most of the Europeans who came here long after the vast majority black people were here, maybe that question would be better if asked to the newcomers rather than those who help found and build this nation. Even better question to ask whites today if they would have rather live in a much less affluent and wealthy America that did not prosper from the hundreds of years of free labor that is at the root of its national wealth even to this day.

Yes. Blacks in Africa operated the slave trade. After all, they were the ones who captured the black slaves and sold them. It's like cigarette manufacturers making and selling cigarettes. Are they involved in the cigarette trade? Everything else you speak of is equally nonsensical.

 

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Yes. Blacks in Africa operated the slave trade. After all, they were the ones who captured the black slaves and sold them. It's like cigarette manufacturers making and selling cigarettes. Are they involved in the cigarette trade? Everything else you speak of is equally nonsensical.

Did they operate it in America ?
Because reparation is about America, not Africa. America was not bound by African laws or traditions. Black Americans were made into slaves here, before that they were just prisoners of foreign kingdoms of Africa thousands of miles away.