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If Trump is innocent....

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Why is he doing his best to delay the trials? Now his presonal judge, Cannon, is helping him by trying to come up with jury instructions that will force the jury to allow Trump to claim classified documents were subject to Presidential records as his personal documents, rather than be covered by the espionage act.

Every move by Trump and his legal team show he knows he's guilty and isn't going to get a favorable ruling on presidential immunity.
 

Halo

Council Member
Why is he doing his best to delay the trials? Now his presonal judge, Cannon, is helping him by trying to come up with jury instructions that will force the jury to allow Trump to claim classified documents were subject to Presidential records as his personal documents, rather than be covered by the espionage act.

Every move by Trump and his legal team show he knows he's guilty and isn't going to get a favorable ruling on presidential immunity.
And even if all true about Trump, Biden's criminality if 4 to 5 times worse. He should have been impeached for the open borders and for his criminal activity in selling his government position to foreign powers two years ago. Some of them being enemy foreign powers.
 
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Boltlady

Mayor
Why is he doing his best to delay the trials? Now his presonal judge, Cannon, is helping him by trying to come up with jury instructions that will force the jury to allow Trump to claim classified documents were subject to Presidential records as his personal documents, rather than be covered by the espionage act.

Every move by Trump and his legal team show he knows he's guilty and isn't going to get a favorable ruling on presidential immunity.
Compromised legal system being used as weapons.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Compromised legal system being used as weapons.
Except you cannot provide evidence of a compromised legal system...I can certainly give you evidence that Trump broke the law. and deserved to be indicted by a grand jury.
 

Halo

Council Member
Except you cannot provide evidence of a compromised legal system...I can certainly give you evidence that Trump broke the law. and deserved to be indicted by a grand jury.
Its a coin toss. 50/50 chance Trump wins in Nov. What is the chance you'll climb into a warm tub and slit your wrists? 50/50?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
And even if all true about Trump, Biden's criminality if 4 to 5 times worse. He should have been impeached for the open borders and for his criminal activity in selling his government position to foreign powers two years ago. Some of them being enemy foreign powers.
"even if"? The evidence is not debatable. Trump took classified docs from the White House. He admitted it. He fought returning the documents from the first contact from NARA in Feb 2021 until January 2022 before returning any of the docs. NARA suspected he had more and issued a subpoena for them. Trump returned a single envelope of docs and a letter stating that there were no additional documents in his possession. He lied and the DOJ got a search warrant and in August 2022 found 15 additional boxes of documents, many of which were classified...and some were in his desk.

He called for a "wild" rally on January 6. In that rally he told the mob that they must go to the capitol and fight like hell to stop the count of electors....which he said was stealing the election. The resulting riot was violent and it's motivation was to allow Trump to overturn the election....making it a coup. What is his defense? He didn't mean for them to breach the capitol and threaten members of congress? If that were true he'd have called for an end to the violence and sent Guard troops to force the rioters out...he didn't and watched for three hours. Why? Because the rioters were doing exactly as he wanted.

Lastly...his call to Raffensperger. It was recorded. The evidence shows Trump implied Raffensperger might be prosecuted if he didn't "find" 11,780 votes for him....

Feel free to offer evidence that Biden did anything to favor enemy nations. If there were an open border...why are so many immigrants being deported at the border.
 

Halo

Council Member
"even if"? The evidence is not debatable. Trump took classified docs from the White House. He admitted it. He fought returning the documents from the first contact from NARA in Feb 2021 until January 2022 before returning any of the docs. NARA suspected he had more and issued a subpoena for them. Trump returned a single envelope of docs and a letter stating that there were no additional documents in his possession. He lied and the DOJ got a search warrant and in August 2022 found 15 additional boxes of documents, many of which were classified...and some were in his desk.

He called for a "wild" rally on January 6. In that rally he told the mob that they must go to the capitol and fight like hell to stop the count of electors....which he said was stealing the election. The resulting riot was violent and it's motivation was to allow Trump to overturn the election....making it a coup. What is his defense? He didn't mean for them to breach the capitol and threaten members of congress? If that were true he'd have called for an end to the violence and sent Guard troops to force the rioters out...he didn't and watched for three hours. Why? Because the rioters were doing exactly as he wanted.

Lastly...his call to Raffensperger. It was recorded. The evidence shows Trump implied Raffensperger might be prosecuted if he didn't "find" 11,780 votes for him....

Feel free to offer evidence that Biden did anything to favor enemy nations. If there were an open border...why are so many immigrants being deported at the border.
None of that matters because there is a contra-narrative that is just as valid. You might not think so but there is for anybody who listened to both sides of the debate. You can see that in the current polling. Let that clue you in.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
None of that matters because there is a contra-narrative that is just as valid. You might not think so but there is for anybody who listened to both sides of the debate. You can see that in the current polling. Let that clue you in.
Evidence doesn't matter? I guess, since you have none, that is your best defense.
Try showing how the evidence against Trump is false OR
try finding a credible source that Biden is corrupt.

I have listened to both sides. Comer and Jordan have produced laughable evidence....Smirnov's hearsay was ignored by the FBI as unsubstantiated....when it was turned over to the attorney prosecuting Hunter he found Smirnov had lied about communications with Burisma executives and the story that Joe and Hunter had been bribed had been furnished to Smirnov by a Russian intelligence agent. What else? Oh yeah...the $200k from Jim Biden to Joe....except that the whole story should have included a wire transfer from Joe to Jim just 6 weeks earlier....and it was in 2018. So what influence did Joe have to sell?

If Trump is convicted in any of the three criminal trials 30% of republicans have said they will not vote for him....That is exactly why he is desperate to delay the trials.

Has it hit you yet that his appointees from his first term will not vote for him and would not work for him again?
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Why is he doing his best to delay the trials? Now his presonal judge, Cannon, is helping him by trying to come up with jury instructions that will force the jury to allow Trump to claim classified documents were subject to Presidential records as his personal documents, rather than be covered by the espionage act.

Every move by Trump and his legal team show he knows he's guilty and isn't going to get a favorable ruling on presidential immunity.
Because the Biden Administration is obviously orchestrating these political persecutions of the guy who is leading him in the polls.

Because obviously, as I have contended all along, that is exactly what they are - personal communications with world leaders that were "over classified."
 

Jack4freedom

Governor
And even if all true about Trump, Biden's criminality if 4 to 5 times worse. He should have been impeached for the open borders and for his criminal activity in selling his government position to foreign powers two years ago. Some of them being enemy foreign powers.
Bullshit Russian disinfo.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Because the Biden Administration is obviously orchestrating these political persecutions of the guy who is leading him in the polls.

Because obviously, as I have contended all along, that is exactly what they are - personal communications with world leaders that were "over classified."
Do you have any evidence of coordination between the case in Georgia and the federal cases in Florida and DC? Even if there were communication between them...how does that dismiss the facts of Trump's classified documents or the DC riot? Those facts were presented to grand juries and those juries voted for indictment.

"Obviously"? Based on what? Wishful thinking....

Funny that Trump's attorneys did not try to make that argument....did you forget when Trump claimed the FBI planted the documents? Now you argue that they are not really classified. Yeah, forget about the "Top Secret" stamps on them....
 

Jack4freedom

Governor
None of that matters because there is a contra-narrative that is just as valid. You might not think so but there is for anybody who listened to both sides of the debate. You can see that in the current polling. Let that clue you in.
“None of that matters”…..Says it all about your utter lack of credibility. Read the actual indictments against Trump. including the witnesses against Trump which include mostly people who actually worked for him during the crime spree. The counter narrative as you call it, is quite weak when measured against the actual indictments. And the attacks on Biden are very weak after years of Congressional investigation all that has been proven is that Hunter paid his income taxes late and that he didn’t check a certain box on a gun purchase form. (Both of which he admitted) while cooperating with the federal investigators. Then we find that the whole premise of this investigation was a false story about Biden’s taking $10 million in bribes from Burisma was cooked up by Guiliani, Parnas and a Putin spy, fed to a Trumpy FBI agent then straight to Sean Hannity for rebroadcast. All of them including Johnson, Grassley, Comer, Jordan and Greene knew damn well it was bullshit from the start. Still these lying sacks of shit keep repeating it. I have followed both sides from the beginning and the more you know, he more you realize that the attacks on the whole Biden family are pure BULLSHIT and the indictments against Trump are backed by solid evidence.
 

Jack4freedom

Governor
Because the Biden Administration is obviously orchestrating these political persecutions of the guy who is leading him in the polls.

Because obviously, as I have contended all along, that is exactly what they are - personal communications with world leaders that were "over classified."
The prosecutions began before Trump was even running for office. There is absolutely no evidence that Biden has anything to do with either the many prosecutions of Trump or the prosecution of Hunter. If those documents were over classified as you say, why didn’t the ass hole just give the damn things back instead of engaging in a long conspiracy to obstruct Justice with lawyers, members of his staff at Mara Lago and Bedminster? Read the indictments. Trump did it to himself. All he had to do is not lie and return the documents. The only reason I can think of is that he knew they were valuable and wanted to sell them to the highest bidder on the foreign spy market. How you can sit there and defend this piece of shit is beyond me….
 

Halo

Council Member
“None of that matters”…..Says it all about your utter lack of credibility. Read the actual indictments against Trump. including the witnesses against Trump which include mostly people who actually worked for him during the crime spree. The counter narrative as you call it, is quite weak when measured against the actual indictments. And the attacks on Biden are very weak after years of Congressional investigation all that has been proven is that Hunter paid his income taxes late and that he didn’t check a certain box on a gun purchase form. (Both of which he admitted) while cooperating with the federal investigators. Then we find that the whole premise of this investigation was a false story about Biden’s taking $10 million in bribes from Burisma was cooked up by Guiliani, Parnas and a Putin spy, fed to a Trumpy FBI agent then straight to Sean Hannity for rebroadcast. All of them including Johnson, Grassley, Comer, Jordan and Greene knew damn well it was bullshit from the start. Still these lying sacks of shit keep repeating it. I have followed both sides from the beginning and the more you know, he more you realize that the attacks on the whole Biden family are pure BULLSHIT and the indictments against Trump are backed by solid evidence.
Tell me about again when Trump wins.
 

Jack4freedom

Governor
And even if all true about Trump, Biden's criminality if 4 to 5 times worse. He should have been impeached for the open borders and for his criminal activity in selling his government position to foreign powers two years ago. Some of them being enemy foreign powers.
Total made up BULLSHIT….Your first post here along with your Ninja Tough guy Avitar was a pretty good indication that you were a batshit crazy idiot….You keep confirming my first impression every time you spew more idiotic crap here. Welcome to PJ…..LOL
 
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