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I'm going to say it plainly.

It does not matter when he planned his caper or started to carry out his planned caper.

He had already been reported that Biden was the candidate he feared he could not beat. He even said as much at one of his rallies. He was poll numbers were sliding in the swing states.




This was all right around the time he started with his pressure campaign against Ukraine. The monkey wrench was Zelensky was swept into office and his dealing with the old regime had to be scrapped.
Yeah, no. Even in fake world the whole impeachment hinges on Schiff being a mind reader as to Trump's intentions whether corrupt or not.

But the truth is Schiff was covering his ass by mind reading that Trump would have him for his traitors' coup with the whole RussiaGate/Mueller report and corrupt FISA court spying on a campaign predicate dossier.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
There you go again. You know exactly why Trump ordered his people who were first hand witnesses to not cooperate. Yet here you are trying to pretend that meant nothing. Again it is obvious that Zelensky did not want to say anything that would cause Trump to seek revenge. Because as we see and he could tell Trump is a revenge seeker.

Try to be honest because you are terrible at lying.
No firsthand proof. Target denies it happened. Perp denies it happened.

"Why, this is proof positive that it happened!"

As you know, I don't care a whit about Trump...but good Lord - if this was as good a case as can be made against this filthy, foulmouthed billionaire playboy pig who has ZERO self-restraint...it's time for leftyhack to hang it up and take a seat on the pine.

Bungling incompetence doesn't begin to cover it.

Just try to find some sentient being who can beat him in the election. Will it be a very weird, nearly 80-year old, self-described socialist who honeymooned in the Soviet Union? Will it be a homosexual small town mayor with no experience? Will it be a doddering, near octogenarian who has run for president in three different generations? Perhaps the diminutive, 78-year old billionaire who imagines Big Gulps as public enemy number one? This is truly pathetic stuff.

Are you guys on the take? Did Trump get to you? Is he buying you all off? How in the heck can this be?!?
 

Spamature

President
Yeah, no. Even in fake world the whole impeachment hinges on Schiff being a mind reader as to Trump's intentions whether corrupt or not.

But the truth is Schiff was covering his ass by mind reading that Trump would have him for his traitors' coup with the whole RussiaGate/Mueller report and corrupt FISA court spying on a campaign predicate dossier.
Look you seem to be confused about who had charges against them. It was not Schiff. If Trump thinks Schiff committed some kind of wrong doing he has a DOJ fully capable of investigating any wrong doing.

Mens rea is part of every trial. All prosecutors do the so called mind reading you are talking about.


They go to explain the actions the defendant takes.
 
Look you seem to be confused about who had charges against them. It was not Schiff. If Trump thinks Schiff committed some kind of wrong doing he has a DOJ fully capable of investigating any wrong doing.
Schiff may well get caught yet. The rats are going to want to save their own tails.

Mens rea is part of every trial. All prosecutors do the so called mind reading you are talking about.


They go to explain the actions the defendant takes.
Tell it to Comey re:[Hillary & ServerGate].
 
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Spamature

President
No firsthand proof. Target denies it happened. Perp denies it happened.

"Why, this is proof positive that it happened!"

As you know, I don't care a whit about Trump...but good Lord - if this was as good a case as can be made against this filthy, foulmouthed billionaire playboy pig who has ZERO self-restraint...it's time for leftyhack to hang it up and take a seat on the pine.

Bungling incompetence doesn't begin to cover it.

Just try to find some sentient being who can beat him in the election. Will it be a very weird, nearly 80-year old, self-described socialist who honeymooned in the Soviet Union? Will it be a homosexual small town mayor with no experience? Will it be a doddering, near octogenarian who has run for president in three different generations? Perhaps the diminutive, 78-year old billionaire who imagines Big Gulps as public enemy number one? This is truly pathetic stuff.

Are you guys on the take? Did Trump get to you? Is he buying you all off? How in the heck can this be?!?
Yes there were firsthand witnesses. They were forbidden by the defendant from giving testimony to congress, and excluded by the jury foreman, who admitted he was working hand in hand with the defendant, from giving testimonty at the trial .

You care about Trump enough to got to bat for him with the you can prove what I won't let you see defense.

It is Deplorable.
 
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RickWA

Snagglesooth
Yes there were firsthand witnesses. They were forbidden by the defendant from giving testimony to congress, and excluded by the jury foreman, who admitted he was working hand in hand with the defendant, from giving testimonty at the trial .

You care about Trump enough to got to bat for him with the you can prove what I won't let you see defense.

It is Deplorable.
Batting for common sense and general adherence to American standards of jurisprudence is not "batting for Trump". If you guys hate Trump so much, why don't you do a better job of finding reasonably palatable candidates instead of what you offer here? These guys are all weirdos (other than Klobuchar). And why can't you prove his actual wrongdoing?

It sure looks like you're in cahoots with the guy. Nobody can be this incompetent over and over again... Trump has to be a Democrat mole.
 

Spamature

President
Batting for common sense and general adherence to American standards of jurisprudence is not "batting for Trump". If you guys hate Trump so much, why don't you do a better job of finding reasonably palatable candidates instead of what you offer here? These guys are all weirdos (other than Klobuchar). And why can't you prove his actual wrongdoing?

It sure looks like you're in cahoots with the guy. Nobody can be this incompetent over and over again... Trump has to be a Democrat mole.
What standards ? The trial standards where the foreman says he is working with the defendant to make sure he won't be convicted or the standard where witnesses testimony and documents are not be allowed at trial ?

Dude you are out and out shamelessly Trump humping by defending this BS.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
What standards ? The trial standards where the foreman says he is working with the defendant to make sure he won't be convicted or the standard where witnesses testimony and documents are not be allowed at trial ?

Dude you are out and out shamelessly Trump humping by defending this BS.
Sure I am, spam...:rolleyes: … meanwhile you COMPLETELY avoid the subject of your candidates being a bunch of really weird, unrelatable geezers, commies, and/or otherwise limited in appeal. It just LOOKS like Democrats are in on it for Trump.

I know I'm voting third party...but why are you guys HELPING Trump? Again, this CANNOT be an accident. He's just not that brilliant. How does he bamboozle you so? You guys MUST be in on it.
 

Spamature

President
Sure I am, spam...:rolleyes: … meanwhile you COMPLETELY avoid the subject of your candidates being a bunch of really weird, unrelatable geezers, commies, and/or otherwise limited in appeal. It just LOOKS like Democrats are in on it for Trump.

I know I'm voting third party...but why are you guys HELPING Trump? Again, this CANNOT be an accident. He's just not that brilliant. How does he bamboozle you so? You guys MUST be in on it.
For one thing that is not the subject of this thread. So it deserves being ignored.
Whataboutisms are a form of derailment. Especially when they have nothing to do with the topic.

You don't like the Dem candidates then don't vote for them. I don't care, as if you were going to support any of them anyway.

But while you are attacking them look at the guy you are defending. I suppose you relate to him, eh ? Maybe you realted he weird sexual talk about his children, I don't know or his insane rambling speeches about toilet flushing or his sex orgy stories to boy scout jamborees. I don't know and I don't care. I am trying to stay on the topic. You are trying to shy away from it. Likely because you know how indefensible what you are defending is.
 
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RickWA

Snagglesooth
For one thing that is not the subject of this thread. So it deserves being ignored.
Whataboutisms are a form of derailment. Especially when they have nothing to do with the topic.

You don't like the Dem candidates then don't vote for them. I don't care, as if you were going to support any of them anyway.

But while you are attacking them look at the guy you are defending. I suppose you relate to him, eh ? Maybe you realted he weird sexual talk about his children, I don't know or his insane rambling speeches about toilet flushing or his sex orgy stories to boy scout jamborees. I don't know and I don't care. I am trying to stay on the topic. You are trying to shy away from it. Likely because you know how indefensible what you are defending is.
Again you make my point. All that overtly piggish behavior on the record and you guys fortify him and immunize him with petty attacks about the date of an Air Force One photo or ice cream scoops. You fail to produce firsthand evidence to convict him. Then, you double down by plying the worst, most unelectable slate of candidates we've seen in our lifetimes. What was your price? How much did Trump pay you?
 

Spamature

President
Its not a crime to launch an impeachment by trial. However, it IS a crime to lie during a trial bbn or Senate hearing. That's why I was disappointed that there was a back room deal to not call any witnesses, including Bolton, Schiff, Joe Biden Hunter Biden, the Whistler, Giuliani. . .
What could Joe Biden have testified to about Trump's actions ? He was not in the govt when any of this took place. We know Trump had no contact with Biden. The head of Trump reelection committee knows more about Trump motivations for his actions than Biden and even his or her testimony would have been irrelevant unless he said something to them about it.

Although I will say that Biden blew it by not publicly announcing he would be the first to testify right after Trump and his people did.
 

write on

Senator
I think Schiff, having access to intelligence operatives given his intelligence committee assignment, may well have committed treason in planning a coup against a duly elected president of the United States with the likes of Brennan. Only that really explains Schiff's and Brennan's actions and words. They both seemed desperate to get Trump before their treason was discovered. And the treason wasn't just the two of them.
So, "stable genius" trump's claim that he only chooses the best are NOW in on a conspiracy against him?

LOLOLOLOLOL
 

Spamature

President
Again you make my point. All that overtly piggish behavior on the record and you guys fortify him and immunize him with petty attacks about the date of an Air Force One photo or ice cream scoops. You fail to produce firsthand evidence to convict him. Then, you double down by plying the worst, most unelectable slate of candidates we've seen in our lifetimes. What was your price? How much did Trump pay you?
They didn't fail to produce enough evidence to convict him.

The trial was rigged before it ever started.
Stop pretending you are so obtuse you didn't see that with your own eyes.

Also I don't remember two scoops of ice cream or an AF1 photo op being brought up at his trial, but you sure seem to be obsessed with it.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
They didn't fail to produce enough evidence to convict him.

The trial was rigged before it ever started.
Stop pretending you are so obtuse you didn't see that with your own eyes.

Also I don't remember two scoops of ice cream or an AF1 photo op being brought up at his trial, but you sure seem to be obsessed with it.
Again, it kinda makes my point. Hating the dude doesn't crack the nut. You need actual provable data. Substantive stuff. Likewise, marching a few weirdos across a stage as alternatives doesn't get it done. Maybe put some pressure on your party to trot out an actual viable alternative. I don't have any sway with Dems or Reps because I am not one. But you insiders need to step up your stewardship.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
No matter how many times you cite secondhand and thirdhand hearsay witnesses as "privy to it", it remains untrue. Regardless, though...if BOTH the ORIGINATOR of the message...and the RECIPIENT of the message say it did not occur, then it is madness to pursue. In fact, it's irresponsible to do so. But that is water under the bridge and from now on, any party that is annoyed with the occupant in the WH can impeach on a lark.

Kudos. :)
1. The call did happen.
2. While Trump says there was no quid pro quo and Zelensky says he felt no pressure...of course the accused would deny it and Zelensky knew that Trump was prone to revenge...
3. In fact at least two people on the call disagree..."I'd like to buy missiles...I'd like you to do us a favor though" certainly looks like a trade to me.
4. Putting a hold on congressional appropriations requires notification of Congress. Trump broke that law.
 

Spamature

President
Schiff may well get caught yet. The rats are going to want to save their own tails.



Tell it to Comey re:[Hillary & ServerGate].
She is probably on his way to the US Senate once Feinstein retires. He's certainly earn his place in that body after fighting the good fight for the rule of law. Actually he proved he is better in that respect than 53 of senators in it right now.


Still promising an investigation of the investigation of an investigation ?

Keep on digging for that dirt without realizing the hole you are digging is one for yourselves.
 

Spamature

President
Again, it kinda makes my point. Hating the dude doesn't crack the nut. You need actual provable data. Substantive stuff. Likewise, marching a few weirdos across a stage as alternatives doesn't get it done. Maybe put some pressure on your party to trot out an actual viable alternative. I don't have any sway with Dems or Reps because I am not one. But you insiders need to step up your stewardship.
Then start a thread promoting your candidate. Just remember your last one probably thought Aleppo was a strain of cannabis he was missing out on.

And these two 2020 candidates look like a real beauties.

No weirdos here eh ?

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JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
Its not a crime to launch an impeachment by trial. However, it IS a crime to lie during a trial bbn or Senate hearing. That's why I was disappointed that there was a back room deal to not call any witnesses, including Bolton, Schiff, Joe Biden Hunter Biden, the Whistler, Giuliani. . .
Trump wouldn't let the Republican senate call any witnesses. :p
 
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