I'm thinking maybe I have second thoughts about Obamacare

[ya-ta-hey]

I've never been against healthcare reform, only had concerns that if you bring every worthless slub into the system, healthcare for the productive members of society, like myself, will be rationed. And since it will be rationed, the productive members of society, again, like myself, will be less healthy, and as such, it will be a detrement to the overall health of society.

My idea would have been to create a two tiered system, one with all the bells and whistles for those that can afford it, and a second, basic band aid and an asprin model for those who can't.

Turns out, that is what is happening. The top tiered hospitals (and their doctor networks) are chosing not to participate in Obamacare, and most doctors have said they will not accept the Obamacare health insurance.

http://www.catholic.org/health/story.php?id=53476

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/hospital-of-tomorrow/articles/2013/10/30/top-hospitals-opt-out-of-obamacare

I see this as a win-win. The breadwinners of the country will remain healthy and productive, and while the deadbeats will not have the top tiered care, they will have enough to stay healthy enough such that their poor decisions in life will not cause undue hardship on their families and the government support system.

 

[SW48]

I've never been against healthcare reform, only had concerns that if you bring every worthless slub into the system, healthcare for the productive members of society, like myself, will be rationed. And since it will be rationed, the productive members of society, again, like myself, will be less healthy, and as such, it will be a detrement to the overall health of society.

My idea would have been to create a two tiered system, one with all the bells and whistles for those that can afford it, and a second, basic band aid and an asprin model for those who can't.

Turns out, that is what is happening. The top tiered hospitals (and their doctor networks) are chosing not to participate in Obamacare, and most doctors have said they will not accept the Obamacare health insurance.

http://www.catholic.org/health/story.php?id=53476

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/hospital-of-tomorrow/articles/2013/10/30/top-hospitals-opt-out-of-obamacare

I see this as a win-win. The breadwinners of the country will remain healthy and productive, and while the deadbeats will not have the top tiered care, they will have enough to stay healthy enough such that their poor decisions in life will not cause undue hardship on their families and the government support system.

In certain areas of the country, this appears to be starting to happen.

 

[Wulk]

I've never been against healthcare reform, only had concerns that if you bring every worthless slub into the system, healthcare for the productive members of society, like myself, will be rationed. And since it will be rationed, the productive members of society, again, like myself, will be less healthy, and as such, it will be a detrement to the overall health of society.

My idea would have been to create a two tiered system, one with all the bells and whistles for those that can afford it, and a second, basic band aid and an asprin model for those who can't.

Turns out, that is what is happening. The top tiered hospitals (and their doctor networks) are chosing not to participate in Obamacare, and most doctors have said they will not accept the Obamacare health insurance.

http://www.catholic.org/health/story.php?id=53476

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/hospital-of-tomorrow/articles/2013/10/30/top-hospitals-opt-out-of-obamacare

I see this as a win-win. The breadwinners of the country will remain healthy and productive, and while the deadbeats will not have the top tiered care, they will have enough to stay healthy enough such that their poor decisions in life will not cause undue hardship on their families and the government support system.

Well, I live in a country with a NHS scheme, and, health care isn't rationed. When the NHS was first introduced we had the same problems, Drs refusing to take on NHS patients, hospitals trying to attract only paying patients, they all came round, and, it didn't take long - popular demand.

Incidentally; I've noticed a few posters support the private health care schemes, in the US, with the argument about the amount of foreigners who travel to the US for health care. It might surprise you to find out that the US is No3 in the world list of health tourists - No1 being Thailand - if you can find out No2 will really surprise you.

 

[Wulk]

No-one having a guess at No2?

 

[gigi]

I've never been against healthcare reform, only had concerns that if you bring every worthless slub into the system, healthcare for the productive members of society, like myself, will be rationed. And since it will be rationed, the productive members of society, again, like myself, will be less healthy, and as such, it will be a detrement to the overall health of society.

My idea would have been to create a two tiered system, one with all the bells and whistles for those that can afford it, and a second, basic band aid and an asprin model for those who can't.

Turns out, that is what is happening. The top tiered hospitals (and their doctor networks) are chosing not to participate in Obamacare, and most doctors have said they will not accept the Obamacare health insurance.

http://www.catholic.org/health/story.php?id=53476

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/hospital-of-tomorrow/articles/2013/10/30/top-hospitals-opt-out-of-obamacare

I see this as a win-win. The breadwinners of the country will remain healthy and productive, and while the deadbeats will not have the top tiered care, they will have enough to stay healthy enough such that their poor decisions in life will not cause undue hardship on their families and the government support system.

ya-ta where have you been? Insurance companies are cancelling policies.

Aside from that, you can't complain that healthcare will be rationed and then at the same time be grateful that it will be for some. (The truth is it will be for all of us,but that's not the point)

And you can't really complain about "worthless slub"s and then be glad that they'll be kept only healthy enough to go on breathing. It takes more than breathing to be able to be a productive member of society. Not every "slub" out there entered into slubhood as a result of bad decisions. And even if they had, there's the future to consider. Every life everyday has a purpose. And sometimes people need some help getting over obstacles. Some people need help so they can get on with life and continue to fulfill their purpose. For some people, perpetrating the help IS their purpose.

If you're happy with the fact that some can't make the hurdles by themselves, fine. But then how can you complain when they continue to be a burden on the government?

 

[Woolleybugger]

Other nations provide access to special health care via supplemental insurance. Everyone is then covered by universal health care but options then exist for special circumstances. Makes a lot of sense to me. One idea I have is to have a national system of general practioners working for the state or feds for a salary. They are then directly responsible for a group of people, say 1000. They live in the community, do house calls and regular checkups. It is their job to make sure these 1000 named people have primary care on a regular basis. They get paid say 250 to 300k and have pensions. This job could become a great place for medical students to go that is a career instead of a way to get rich.

 

[ya-ta-hey]

ya-ta where have you been? Insurance companies are cancelling policies.

Aside from that, you can't complain that healthcare will be rationed and then at the same time be grateful that it will be for some. (The truth is it will be for all of us,but that's not the point)

And you can't really complain about "worthless slub"s and then be glad that they'll be kept only healthy enough to go on breathing. It takes more than breathing to be able to be a productive member of society. Not every "slub" out there entered into slubhood as a result of bad decisions. And even if they had, there's the future to consider. Every life everyday has a purpose. And sometimes people need some help getting over obstacles. Some people need help so they can get on with life and continue to fulfill their purpose. For some people, perpetrating the help IS their purpose.

If you're happy with the fact that some can't make the hurdles by themselves, fine. But then how can you complain when they continue to be a burden on the government?

Ms. Gigi,

You are talking illogical gibberish. No where did I complain about anything. All I said is that this health care system is one that I've been thinking about, i.e., the productive members of society get the good doctors, premium health care, etc., whereas the leaches of society are not denied health care, but until they can pay for it, they get what's left.

I mean it's not dissimilar to going to a bar. People like myself go to upscale downtown lounges and clubs, order top shelf whiskies and microbrewed beers, and the masses are content with going to dives, drinking well booze and draft budweiser.

 

[ya-ta-hey]

Other nations provide access to special health care via supplemental insurance. Everyone is then covered by universal health care but options then exist for special circumstances. Makes a lot of sense to me. One idea I have is to have a national system of general practioners working for the state or feds for a salary. They are then directly responsible for a group of people, say 1000. They live in the community, do house calls and regular checkups. It is their job to make sure these 1000 named people have primary care on a regular basis. They get paid say 250 to 300k and have pensions. This job could become a great place for medical students to go that is a career instead of a way to get rich.

Mr. Woolie,

Good idea, and when those doctors become trained, the cream will float to the top and treat the productive members of society to keep them well, and the not so great doctors remain in the system, churning out aspirin to the masses.

See, we can agree on something.

 

[ya-ta-hey]

No-one having a guess at No2?

Mr. Wulk,

Depends. Plastic surgery, I'd say brazil, regular medical, India.

 

[Wulk]

Mr. Wulk,

Depends. Plastic surgery, I'd say brazil, regular medical, India.

Nope. Hint: It's a bit closer to home than Brazil.

 

[Woolleybugger]

Mr. Woolie,

Good idea, and when those doctors become trained, the cream will float to the top and treat the productive members of society to keep them well, and the not so great doctors remain in the system, churning out aspirin to the masses.

See, we can agree on something.

You have a very disturbing view of human beings if you believe that these doctors are in business to make money. Doctors are by and large some of our most intelligent people. These same people could probably have chosen fields such as finance if all they cared about was getting rich. I believe that people who decide to be doctors do it because they want to help people and make a good living. That is the way doctors operate all over the world including here in the USA. If a GP chooses to make more money, they know that the only way to do so is to open a clinic or become a specialist. What we want to do is attract students to a life of being a GP. A GP is your family doctor, your family friend, your family resource. I know many GPs and they are all outstanding people whose hearts are filled with a lot more than just greed. Your comments regarding those who are too poor to pay for health care are disgusting to me. If you actually believe the tripe you spew here regarding those less fortunate then you are one sorry individual.

 

[ya-ta-hey]

You have a very disturbing view of human beings if you believe that these doctors are in business to make money. Doctors are by and large some of our most intelligent people. These same people could probably have chosen fields such as finance if all they cared about was getting rich. I believe that people who decide to be doctors do it because they want to help people and make a good living. That is the way doctors operate all over the world including here in the USA. If a GP chooses to make more money, they know that the only way to do so is to open a clinic or become a specialist. What we want to do is attract students to a life of being a GP. A GP is your family doctor, your family friend, your family resource. I know many GPs and they are all outstanding people whose hearts are filled with a lot more than just greed. Your comments regarding those who are too poor to pay for health care are disgusting to me. If you actually believe the tripe you spew here regarding those less fortunate then you are one sorry individual.

Mr. Woolie,

True, there are some altruistic people out there, not minding working for peanuts to treat the great unwashed, but most people strive to be the best in their fields, and spending one's career telling fat chicks that the strange discolerization she has is simply a cheeto stuck in her fold does little to advance one prestige and experience.

 

[ya-ta-hey]

Nope. Hint: It's a bit closer to home than Brazil.

Mr. Wulk, India is not closer to either you nor I than Brazil.

 

[Wulk]

I know it isn't, that's why I said guess nearer to home, i.e. the US.

 

[gigi]

Ms. Gigi,

You are talking illogical gibberish. No where did I complain about anything. All I said is that this health care system is one that I've been thinking about, i.e., the productive members of society get the good doctors, premium health care, etc., whereas the leaches of society are not denied health care, but until they can pay for it, they get what's left.

I mean it's not dissimilar to going to a bar. People like myself go to upscale downtown lounges and clubs, order top shelf whiskies and microbrewed beers, and the masses are content with going to dives, drinking well booze and draft budweiser.

I can't tell if you're joking or not. Are you?