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Inconvenient Information Update: Voter I.D.

Zam-Zam

Senator
Did I call you a racist ?
I explained to you why you are wrong, that's all.
The problem is, you don't want to accept that you are wrong.
So you try to excuse being wrong by saying the wrong is popular with people.

You could just as well use that excuse for burning witches.
Hey, people agree we should burn witches.
Only thing is there aren't really any witches, and you are just burning women alive based upon your own misinformation or desire to do so.
You explained to me why you think I'm wrong.

I think you're wrong. A lot of people do, apparently.

And that's okay. We don't have to agree.

It's all good.
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
NO !
It is not okay if you don't agree with the facts.
You don't get to have your own alternatives to them.
It is okay if I don't agree with you.

And I don't.

How you feel about that is your business, but personally, I'm fine with it.

Now you're not going to be one of those folks who insists everyone must agree with them, are you?

And denigrate them if they don't capitulate?

That's just not a good look...
 

EatTheRich

President
Empty words. It shows no such thing. Just because you’re a marxist doesn’t mean you get to just invent conclusions that are not demonstrated in the least.

Lordy, why bother…
It’s precisely because I am a Marxist that I don’t share that prerogative with you. I can only come to conclusions that are supported by facts and evidence, such as the overwhelming evidence that in-person voter impersonation is not a real problem, while voter suppression and attempts to interfere with an honest counting of votes to favor the Republican Party are.
 

Spamature

President
It is okay if I don't agree with you.

And I don't.

How you feel about that is your business, but personally, I'm fine with it.

Now you're not going to be one of those folks who insists everyone must agree with them, are you?

And denigrate them if they don't capitulate?

That's just not a good look...
It only matters whether or not you agree with the facts.
It does not matter how you feel about them or me.

Remember the right wing line of a few years back.
"The facts don't care about your feelings."

Nor do I.
But I do care about the facts.
 

RickWA

Senator
It’s precisely because I am a Marxist that I don’t share that prerogative with you. I can only come to conclusions that are supported by facts and evidence, such as the overwhelming evidence that in-person voter impersonation is not a real problem, while voter suppression and attempts to interfere with an honest counting of votes to favor the Republican Party are.
Look how you guys furiously pound away at keyboard to fight the idea of simple voter ID. You actively argue against “prevention”. Anti-proactive and irrational.

We can simply require voter ID [AND] require each state to provide that ID prior to the law going into effect. Easy stuff. But you guys won’t hear of it. I can only conclude that it is important to you that the avenue to cheat remains open.
 

EatTheRich

President
Look how you guys furiously pound away at keyboard to fight the idea of simple voter ID. You actively argue against “prevention”. Anti-proactive and irrational.

We can simply require voter ID [AND] require each state to provide that ID prior to the law going into effect. Easy stuff. But you guys won’t hear of it. I can only conclude that it is important to you that the avenue to cheat remains open.
Because we know that you will reject any proposal that doesn’t create a substantive barrier to lawfully registered citizens voting, since the substantive barrier is the sole purpose of your voter ID sham.
 

RickWA

Senator
Because we know that you will reject any proposal that doesn’t create a substantive barrier to lawfully registered citizens voting, since the substantive barrier is the sole purpose of your voter ID sham.
I say we go full “socialist” and collectivize the cost of officially sanctioned, state-issued, accepted picture ID that is accepted for voters.

ARE you in?
 

EatTheRich

President
I say we go full “socialist” and collectivize the cost of officially sanctioned, state-issued, accepted picture ID that is accepted for voters.

ARE you in?
ALL the costs, including ALL costs associated with acquiring the necessary documentation to get the ID, plus ALL costs associated with any time taken off work to get the documentation and/or ID, plus compensation for anyone who is fired for taking time off work to do so and for any other opportunity costs involved, no matter how many times someone may need to get a new ID in an election cycle to keep up with your onerous requirements?
 

RickWA

Senator
ALL the costs, including ALL costs associated with acquiring the necessary documentation to get the ID, plus ALL costs associated with any time taken off work to get the documentation and/or ID, plus compensation for anyone who is fired for taking time off work to do so and for any other opportunity costs involved, no matter how many times someone may need to get a new ID in an election cycle to keep up with your onerous requirements?
Hehe. Sure. “onerous”, “odious”… an incredibly simple piece of picture ID.

Are we good yet?
 

RickWA

Senator
If it’s so simple, why do so many lawfully registered voters lack acceptable ID and why are so many therefore unable to vote?
So I agreed to EVERY term and precondition you set forth…and you STILL can’t get there?

Thank you for demonstrating the point.
 

EatTheRich

President
So I agreed to EVERY term and precondition you set forth…and you STILL can’t get there?

Thank you for demonstrating the point.
Yes, in the imaginary scenario you “agreed to,” there would be no voter-suppressing effect and hence no utility for the restrictive voter ID law. But here in the real world, it doesn’t work according to your counterfactual stipulations.
 

RickWA

Senator
Yes, in the imaginary scenario you “agreed to,” there would be no voter-suppressing effect and hence no utility for the restrictive voter ID law. But here in the real world, it doesn’t work according to your counterfactual stipulations.
So you’re still not on board with this even when the precondition is that we (the state) pay/deliver/distribute/affirm officially accepted ID?
 

EatTheRich

President
So you’re still not on board with this even when the precondition is that we (the state) pay/deliver/distribute/affirm officially accepted ID?
You actively seek out every registered voter, and give them that ID for free with no action required on their part, and that ID is accepted without delay or quibble when they vote, we have no problem.
 

RickWA

Senator
You actively seek out every registered voter, and give them that ID for free with no action required on their part, and that ID is accepted without delay or quibble when they vote, we have no problem.
Yeehaw! But they DO need to actually get off the sofa and go vote at least, right? Just that modest, tiny semblance of aerobic effort??
 

EatTheRich

President
Yeehaw! But they DO need to actually get off the sofa and go vote at least, right? Just that modest, tiny semblance of aerobic effort??
Yes, and if we are going to have fair elections, no one should have to spend more than 10 minutes from when they show up at the precinct place to when they leave having cast their vote. But of course Republicans can’t stay competitive unless urban precincts have hours-long waits due to things like frivolous challenges to the validity of voter IDs.
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
It only matters whether or not you agree with the facts.
It does not matter how you feel about them or me.

Remember the right wing line of a few years back.
"The facts don't care about your feelings."

Nor do I.
But I do care about the facts.
And the fact is that most people feel the voter ID is a reasonable measure to preserve the integrity of elections.

You can't argue with the facts, right?
 

Spamature

President
And the fact is that most people feel the voter ID is a reasonable measure to preserve the integrity of elections.

You can't argue with the facts, right?
The facts don't care about their feelings, either.

So do you think its it's fine not to care about the facts ?

Because that is what you are saying.
 
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