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Is a peace agreement within America possible ?

God of War

Governor
Trump inherited an unprecedented (in length) economic growth streak which he continued (albeit at lower rates of overall growth) by juicing the economy with a tax cut helpful in the very short term but detrimental in the long term, not doing much to change the way Obama was approaching the economy, and telling us he was really smart.
He demanded Europe pay their fair share. He got new trade deals with Canada and Mexico. New trade deals with S. Korea and Japan. He confronted China's economic war against the U.S. head on and showed useless cvnt leftists that doing so would not collapse the world order. Thusly emboldened by example, for the moment at least, Democrats tread the same trail.. but for how long.

Obama was an economic clown who hampered energy self-sufficiency and said he had no magic wand to bring all the jobs back. Obama started with an economic over reaction downward and capitalized reputationally by the rebound from too far a drop and by the Federal Reserve pumping like $80B a month into the economy which he had no part in.

Everybody knows they personally did better under Trump than under Obama.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
No one is winning the culture war.
Stop thinking this is asked out of weakness instead of kindness.
It's not. You have lost the next generation, it is clear to see that.

I am asking you folks, how do you think we end this disruption (because that is all it is) before the resulting desperation causes irreparable harm.

Do you have any suggestions ?
You guys aren't LOSING the culture war - you've LOST it! The moderate democrats and Independents are voting with their feet:

It’s Not Just White People: Democrats Are Losing Normal Voters of All Races (theintercept.com)

My suggestion to you is to learn to enjoy losing.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Trump inherited an unprecedented (in length) economic growth streak which he continued (albeit at lower rates of overall growth) by juicing the economy with a tax cut helpful in the very short term but detrimental in the long term, not doing much to change the way Obama was approaching the economy, and telling us he was really smart.
Trump inherited the "you didn't build that" economy and turned it into the "make America great again" economy.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
I’m demanding a limited government that is kept in its constitutional box. Further, I state - as prerequisite to any “peace deal” that you seek - that you mind your own business. How is this difficult to understand? Moreover, why must you INVENT content every darned time I post? Did I write “autonomy from government”?

Once again, you prove that you cannot have a decent discussion.
but you want government to outlaw abortion? Did Texas follow your " mind your own business" rule with the new bounty they are offering to citizens who sue any participant in an abortion?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
1. Admit you cheated

2. Admit you "defund the police."

3. Admit you use racism, bigotry and socialism (Nazism) for political gain.

4. Biden abdicates

5. Democrat party folds.

That's the short list.
Really? No significant vote fraud is in evidence, so why would anyone admit something that didn't happen?

I have not defunded police. Do you think anyone here did?

You think when the racism is obvious that pointing it out is only for political purpose? Try simply confronting the accusation. If it is not racism then you win...if it isn't you look like a fool.

Why in hell would Biden resign? 80 million voters preferred him to Trump. When will Trump admit he lost?

Given the divide between Trump supporters and those who have followed their consciences and voted for Trump's impeachment or testified against him, who are now being pushed out of the party in favor of idiots who think Jews have a laser in outer space and are setting fire in California...oh, sorry...is that using anti-semitism for political purpose?

Good luck...
 

reason10

Governor
What concessions would have to be made in order to call a truce in the so-called "Culture War" ?
Your side of the aisle refuses to give an inch. With racist terrorist groups like BLM and ANTIFA, rioting, burning, looting, committing murder, and Democrat politicians doing NOTHING, you can't possibly expect the majority of America to just bend over and take it.

In some more enlightened states (like Florida) this problem is contained. Our elected officials and our police do their jobs and the predators get what's coming to them. But in the shithole blue states, the war will continue because those hate groups are cowards who do not have the courage to face any real opposition. (Just look at how you pusssssies whined and moaned when young Kyle Rittenhouse decided not to take it any more, decided to LEGALLY defend himself and his life).

Your woke goose stepping side of the aisle started the war by attacking everything that is uniquely American. And you're up against the SILENT MAJORITY.

First, we're going to wipe those shitt eating grins off your faces when we replace the Democrats in Congress. Then when you think it's time to smile, Donald Trump will be reelected a THIRD time, and this vote will be LEGAL and he'll take the oath of office. That will show you that you are a MINORITY in the culture war, which you started.

You people would be better off getting jobs and knocking off the troublemaking. If you don't like America, get the fuq out. There are INTELLIGENT people around the world by the BILLIONS who will take your place in a heartbeat/.
 

reason10

Governor
No abortions

Most of America is against abortion.

No (nonexistent) stolen elections

Just the one where Joe became president.

No government mandates of.... ?


Right now, Joe wants to mandate a covid shot that even his own people say does not work.

No climate change measure

There is no climate change.

No gun regulation


WRONG. No gun grabbing. Regular people recognize REASONABLE gun laws. (No guns to minors, no guns to felons, stuff like that.)

No censorship of ..... ?


Start with the mods here.


No examination of systemic racism

Any systemic racism is YOUR side of the aisle only.

No illegal immigration

Most of America is against it.

No (nonexistent) Communism.


Are you stupid? Are you saying Communism doesn't exist?
 

reason10

Governor
You also want the other side to concede its own agency and accept your dictates as the concession they desire ?
It's not a matter of dictates. Your side represents a MINORITY of thought in America, but you people have the loudest mouths. And you can't win elections legally. You DON'T represent America, which is why you need voter fraud to stay in power.
 

reason10

Governor

Really? No significant vote fraud is in evidence, so why would anyone admit something that didn't happen?


That is a LIE. There is enough evidence to show it is a lie. And liberal judges throwing cases out does not somehow make it the truth.

I have not defunded police. Do you think anyone here did?

You are a child. You don't have the power to defund police. But your political side of the aisle is working for that. Fortunately, you Woke people do not represent the majority of thinking in America.

You think when the racism is obvious that pointing it out is only for political purpose? Try simply confronting the accusation. If it is not racism then you win...if it isn't you look like a fool.

Racism IS obvious. It exists. ALL on YOUR side of the aisle.

Why in hell would Biden resign? 80 million voters preferred him to Trump. When will Trump admit he lost?


30 million voters for Joe. The other 50 million were duplicates, votes from dead people, copy machines, etc. Are you STUPID? This was all proven a million times at this forum.

Given the divide between Trump supporters and those who have followed their consciences and voted for Trump's impeachment or testified against him, who are now being pushed out of the party in favor of idiots who think Jews have a laser in outer space and are setting fire in California...oh, sorry...is that using anti-semitism for political purpose?

The only people who voted for Trump's illegal impeachment were idiots who had their feelings hurt on TWitter. They need to LEAVE the Republican Party, because they belong with YOU people. Most of America supported Trump.

And you're going to find out in 2022 and 2024, when most of America wakes up and smacks you people down.


Good luck...
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middleview

President
Supporting Member
Your side of the aisle refuses to give an inch. With racist terrorist groups like BLM and ANTIFA, rioting, burning, looting, committing murder, and Democrat politicians doing NOTHING, you can't possibly expect the majority of America to just bend over and take it.

In some more enlightened states (like Florida) this problem is contained. Our elected officials and our police do their jobs and the predators get what's coming to them. But in the shithole blue states, the war will continue because those hate groups are cowards who do not have the courage to face any real opposition. (Just look at how you pusssssies whined and moaned when young Kyle Rittenhouse decided not to take it any more, decided to LEGALLY defend himself and his life).

Your woke goose stepping side of the aisle started the war by attacking everything that is uniquely American. And you're up against the SILENT MAJORITY.

First, we're going to wipe those shitt eating grins off your faces when we replace the Democrats in Congress. Then when you think it's time to smile, Donald Trump will be reelected a THIRD time, and this vote will be LEGAL and he'll take the oath of office. That will show you that you are a MINORITY in the culture war, which you started.

You people would be better off getting jobs and knocking off the troublemaking. If you don't like America, get the fuq out. There are INTELLIGENT people around the world by the BILLIONS who will take your place in a heartbeat/.
Nobody supports Antifa or the violence they've been responsible for...unlike YOUR side of the aisle and their love affair with right wing militias like the Proud Boys and OathKeepers. Did you forget the right wingers chanting "Jews will not replace us"?
Qanon is your side of the aisle. You call your support for the extremists on the right "enlightened".

You wingers have yet to admit the election wasn't stolen and yet have not gotten a single judge in any of the 60 lawsuits to agree. You are kicking anyone not in lock step with Trump out of the party. There is no room for any opinion other than what the party leadership says.

What you propose is exactly what would benefit our enemies...the Russians, the Communist Chinese, the North Koreans....divide and weaken the country....
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
Again, as with a previous poster, what good is an admission ?

That is looking behind us when we need to move ahead.
Can't move forward without first acknowledging the reality here and now. Then steps need to be taken. For starters, confession for the culture warriors is in order. Because it sure ain't Christian to poke at others because they don't like it that we disagree with them.

Culture wars are meant to keep us in the past, to resist change. It's so backward. They're frightened people and not too smart. Maybe we just need to find a way to spread the Omicron variant among them.
 

reason10

Governor
Boys and girls, (and this is for the liberals here who are right now stamping their feet and having a tantrum about someone disagreeing with their bullshcitt) America's history is one of culture war. America was built by DIVERSE people with DIVERSE points of view. LEGAL immigrants brought a richness to this diverse country, as well as new flavors and ideas. There has always been disagreement.

You Woke people are coming to the party a little late. There has ALWAYS been a national pushback against your National Socialism, and that is not going to change. So if you get your feelings hurt just because your idiotic left wing bullshit is challenged, you really need to get a life. And you REALLY need to count your blessings.

Last time you idiots got into a culture war, it was a shooting war, one that would have allowed you to keep your slaves. The majority of AMerica smacked you down then, and it will continue to smack you down.

Grow a brain or continue to be miserable.

A or B.
 

reason10

Governor
Nobody supports Antifa or the violence they've been responsible for...unlike YOUR side of the aisle and their love affair with right wing militias like the Proud Boys and OathKeepers. Did you forget the right wingers chanting "Jews will not replace us"?
Qanon is your side of the aisle. You call your support for the extremists on the right "enlightened".


Antifa IS your side of the aisle. Oh, and Proud Boys and Oathkeepers didn't torch a bunch of northern cities a few summers ago. There aren't that many Proud Boys or Oathkeepers to make any headlines, but ANTIFA and BLM manage to make Seattle and Portland into violent schitholes.

You wingers have yet to admit the election wasn't stolen and yet have not gotten a single judge in any of the 60 lawsuits to agree.

Liberal judges appointed by Democrats. Gee.

Oh and speaking of not letting someone go, we didn't SPEND BILLIONS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS ON A BOGUS RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA WITCH HUNT that took THREE FCKING YEARS, and only showed that Hillary was the only one colluding with the Russians. You people have NO room to talk.

You are kicking anyone not in lock step with Trump out of the party. There is no room for any opinion other than what the party leadership says.

You are LYING. If nothing else, the Republican Party represents the most independent thinkers in America. Yes, some might not like Trump's style. We're not blind people who ALL march in lock step to that unelected geezer who has just ass fuqed the American economy. You wokes have not stopped trying to build Biden up, when his poll numbers are in free fall (and that's from pollsters who call mostly Democrats.) Trump himself invites debate, disagreement, more than the Major Hockstetters of your party.


What you propose is exactly what would benefit our enemies...the Russians, the Communist Chinese, the North Koreans....divide and weaken the country....


Joe's illegal election and his disastrous executive orders have already weakened the country and benefited China, North Korea and Russia (all of whom supported Joe's ILLEGAL election.) They're making out like bandits. America is sinking fast.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Really? No significant vote fraud is in evidence, so why would anyone admit something that didn't happen?

That is a LIE. There is enough evidence to show it is a lie. And liberal judges throwing cases out does not somehow make it the truth.

I have not defunded police. Do you think anyone here did?

You are a child. You don't have the power to defund police. But your political side of the aisle is working for that. Fortunately, you Woke people do not represent the majority of thinking in America.

You think when the racism is obvious that pointing it out is only for political purpose? Try simply confronting the accusation. If it is not racism then you win...if it isn't you look like a fool.

Racism IS obvious. It exists. ALL on YOUR side of the aisle.

Why in hell would Biden resign? 80 million voters preferred him to Trump. When will Trump admit he lost?

30 million voters for Joe. The other 50 million were duplicates, votes from dead people, copy machines, etc. Are you STUPID? This was all proven a million times at this forum.

Given the divide between Trump supporters and those who have followed their consciences and voted for Trump's impeachment or testified against him, who are now being pushed out of the party in favor of idiots who think Jews have a laser in outer space and are setting fire in California...oh, sorry...is that using anti-semitism for political purpose?

The only people who voted for Trump's illegal impeachment were idiots who had their feelings hurt on TWitter. They need to LEAVE the Republican Party, because they belong with YOU people. Most of America supported Trump.

And you're going to find out in 2022 and 2024, when most of America wakes up and smacks you people down.


Good luck...
You've proven nothing at all related to election fraud. Now you claim all of the judges who kicked Trump's idiot lawyers out of court were liberals. You should be embarrassed by that statement alone. How many judges appointed by Trump made those decisions you don't like? Three of the Supreme Court judges who kicked the Texas lawsuit to the curb were appointed by Trump...but you call them liberals. The three judges who heard the Trump case in Pa were all republicans and the one who wrote the opinion that the "evidence" produced was more smoke than fact.


In fact, most Trump lawsuits did not allege fraud. As in the Pennsylvania case they argued that the rules used to run the election were not in conformance with state laws. The PA case specifically says it is not alleging fraud.

Trump's AG said there was no significant fraud and about 200 people were indicted for election fraud...that is out if 150 million ballots. I have destroyed your bullshit of copy machines and you ran away from the facts related to any attempt to use copy machines. You refuse to pay attention to details that make copy machines even possible. You ignore that Trump's own director of Cyber Security told us that there was no cyber hack of election systems....so Trump fired him.

Just keep chanting "Jews will not replace us" as you claim racism and anti-semitism are not prevalent in your party. Do your best to pretend minority voters and jewish voters are on your side.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Boys and girls, (and this is for the liberals here who are right now stamping their feet and having a tantrum about someone disagreeing with their bullshcitt) America's history is one of culture war. America was built by DIVERSE people with DIVERSE points of view. LEGAL immigrants brought a richness to this diverse country, as well as new flavors and ideas. There has always been disagreement.

You Woke people are coming to the party a little late. There has ALWAYS been a national pushback against your National Socialism, and that is not going to change. So if you get your feelings hurt just because your idiotic left wing bullshit is challenged, you really need to get a life. And you REALLY need to count your blessings.

Last time you idiots got into a culture war, it was a shooting war, one that would have allowed you to keep your slaves. The majority of AMerica smacked you down then, and it will continue to smack you down.

Grow a brain or continue to be miserable.

A or B.
In one post you praise the republican party for its opposition to diverse opinion and here you praise it....

Irony looks good on you.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
but you want government to outlaw abortion? Did Texas follow your " mind your own business" rule with the new bounty they are offering to citizens who sue any participant in an abortion?
Link to the position of mine you just invented, lying leftist. How many dozens of times have I directly posted here that, while I oppose abortion, I consider this a matter to be taken up by each state?
You leftists are evil liars. You cannot make even a brief post without lying (and look at you platooning lies here). Horrible people.
 
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reason10

Governor
In one post you praise the republican party for its opposition to diverse opinion and here you praise it....

Irony looks good on you.
That's a lie. (Or you're just not smart enough to understand the statement.)
The Republican Party attracts independent thinkers. The Democrat Party attracts weak minded morons who goose step to the leaders with the funny mustaches.

Bottom line, I suggested that Woke Republicans who support the Democrat Party's National Socialist program need to go to the party that agrees with them. The Republican party is supposed to stand for freedom, liberty, free market capitalism and the rule of law, (all items REJECTED by the Democrats.)

There has ALWAYS been a rift in the Republican Party between the blue blood country club liberal Rockefeller/Nixon types, and the MAJORITY OF AMERICA mainstream Conservatives like Reagan, Limbaugh, Buckley, etc.

I don't include President Trump in either ideology because he is not nor has he EVER been a political ideologue. He has always been a winning businessman, a superior intellect, who builds things. He built a ten billion dollar international real estate empire almost single handedly. His shortcomings as a politician were to be expected because his business universe wasn't populated with politicians.

He makes Republican politicians nervous because of that. (Reagan had the same effect.) Yet, Trump and Reagan created the greatest economies in the history of America.

Republicans have a big tent, attracting all sorts of ideologies.

Democrats only attract racist, criminal idiots.

Maybe not kick out the liberal woke Republicans, but SHOUT THEIR DUMB ASSES DOWN.
 
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