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Is it just me or is the world on the brink of going to shit??

Jack4freedom

Governor
Okay then.

1) I have also been all over this country, including Hawaii, Alaska, and Puerto Rico. Over the years I have noticed distinct changes in basic things, like the way people who work in restaurants and stores regard the people who come to buy.

2) I"m so sorry that the colors "blue" and "red" offend you so much. I embrace the red and used to embrace the blue also when Liberals were in charge. Classic Liberals were libertarian in nature - and that is what I am. A tolerant live and let live libertarian (small L). It's okay that you haven't noticed the hard left turn the Democrats have taken. Whether or not you noticed, it is there and the chaos and ruin in Democrat-run cities like Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, NYC, Baltimore, Detroit, and others is evident.


3) The Republican, red, cities haven't fared much better since Progressivism has infected the GOP also. Our cities are lying in ruin. I wish you were able to see it but.... apparently you're not. And it is not black people ruining those cities. It is Progressivism led by the whitest of white people.

4) White and black Elite Progressives use black people. They have absolutely no real regard for them. Joe Biden called black cities a "jungle". I wouldn't trust either Democrats or the GOP to care about the plight of black people. They knowingly created that plight. And for you to use that against me personally is, frankly, reprehensible.
1) I have not noticed any discernible changes in the way stores and restaurants treat people who come to buy from them over the years. As one who has owned and built several restaurants, I usually notice if these places are run and staffed by people who understand the concept of hospitality and professionalism. Some are better than others.

2) It’s not that I am offended by the colors red and blue but rather how some people use them as a way to attack people who live in or are elected representatives in certain states and especially large cities. I have not noticed so much a hard left turn by Democrats over the past three or four decades. However I have noticed an extreme right turn by the Republican Party starting around the time when the fairness doctrine was abolished and Bewt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh began an all out assault on the Clintons and liberalism in general around 1992. It has steadily grown into what the GOP has morphed into today. Crazed conspiracy nuts who can not accept defeat and will do anything to stay in or regain power. The Jan 6 committee is doing a great job of exposing this utter lunacy right now.

3) Can you name any of these “Republican Red Cities”? I can’t think of any. I live in Los Angeles and know and visit people in every area of my city. I just drove through most of it last week. It is anything but lying in ruin as you say. I think it’s all how you look at it. In my experience LA is an unbelievably beautiful place with unlimited opportunities for anyone with the vision and determination to make it happen for them.

4) White, Black, Hispanic, Middle Eastern and Asian progressives have helped build this country over the years and brought forth positive changes in the process. Lincoln was a progressive along with Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower and others. Blaming the problems that major population centers around America and around the world on these evil progressives who you claim are using these hapless black people is pretty fvcking silly in my view. However trying to get their votes thrown out like Trump and Guiliani did after he lost is the epitome of racist white supremicist behavior. I did not nor am I using any of this against you personally, I am using much of it against Trump and his crooked, racist cronies.
 
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Jack4freedom

Governor
It’s not just LA either. It’s pretty much everywhere. Crime is rampant, lousy people are emboldened, and many civic authorities are shirking institutionally. That is, they’ve incorporated STRUCTURAL changes that relegate the law abiding to an increasingly at risk position. Standards of criminal definitions have been modified in favor of criminals and crime - as has judicial policy, penalties, and even the actual prosecutorial standards. The entire bogus “equity” malarkey is now a catchall to ruin civilization. Even independent of crime, you can’t even stay in a hotel, dine in a restaurant, or enjoy a decent retail shopping experience without inordinate wait times and reduced hours of operation.

Anyone who doesn’t acknowledge that our quality of life - nationally - is diminished…simply isn't being honest.

That’s not fear talking - it’s just observation of reality. Societal trajectory is NOT good.
Well Rick, despite all these “emboldened” (Right out of Sean Hannity’s mouth) bad people out there in my home town, I actually live here and have for 58+ years. What do I know? You guys are privy to all of these crap “news” sources and scandal rags which tell you the world is going to hell in a hand basket because of evil progressive commies. I guess I need to access your cesspool in order to be really hip about what’s really up here in LA, New York and around the world. When I was a kid guys like you have now become insisted that the world was going to hell because of The Rolling Stones and LAs own The Doors….Kids have no respect for the laws. Ba, bla, liberal permissiveness will destroy us all….Save it old boy, it doesn’t play here….lol
 

God of War

Governor
Wasn't a simple denial. You say there's proof. I say prove it. You can't a d won't...so you simply say it is

That's called a fist full of nothing.


prove it.
I gave you "proof" and you just deny the proof on the basis of the word of people with a very deep vested interest to "debunk" the truth and others who are political animals working their ends by any means.

We are done.

I stand with those who know it was stolen and you with those who don't know it was stolen. Get over your absurd notion that you are the arbiter of truth for anybody else but yourself. Our truth demands a trueing of the vote. If you can't manage that well then the republic is at risk.
 
Russia, is like [Unwelcome language removed] everybody and continues to pound Ukraine into Oblivion

The Chinese are launching every [Unwelcome language removed] rocket they have, like their fireworks at a dragon boat festival. They're also sending their carrier, and a bunch of their airplanes across demarcation

Shit ton of rockets flying at Israel

Iran is cooking uranium like a beer brewer prepping a batch of its next IPA

Afghanistan is festooned with all manner of hate mongering terrorists.

Gadzooks
It's not just you. It is getting ugly, perhaps 1939 ugly...time will tell but I am not optimistic about the coming decades.
 

God of War

Governor
It's not just you. It is getting ugly, perhaps 1939 ugly...time will tell but I am not optimistic about the coming decades.
Russia and China are about to fall under their own weight. The only really ugly thing to look forward to is Democrats in their current degenerate form continuing to deconstruct America with their sick ass values that are supported by such bat shit crazy powers of reasoning failure.
 

RickWA

Senator
Well Rick, despite all these “emboldened” (Right out of Sean Hannity’s mouth) bad people out there in my home town, I actually live here and have for 58+ years. What do I know? You guys are privy to all of these crap “news” sources and scandal rags which tell you the world is going to hell in a hand basket because of evil progressive commies. I guess I need to access your cesspool in order to be really hip about what’s really up here in LA, New York and around the world. When I was a kid guys like you have now become insisted that the world was going to hell because of The Rolling Stones and LAs own The Doors….Kids have no respect for the laws. Ba, bla, liberal permissiveness will destroy us all….Save it old boy, it doesn’t play here….lol
Let go of the DNC talking points. I don’t watch Fox. In Portland, unless you are the victim of a violent crime, you are instructed to fill out an ONLINE form. No cops dispatched. Internet switch toggling and navigation of dropdown boxes. Theft definitions have indeed been raised to a more forgiving standard. No bail has indeed been enacted in many jurisdictions. Wait times are indeed historically protracted in hospitality and retail industries.

Stop the lazy sloganeering, Jack. It is beneath you. I myself have had to prepare online reports to police. You receive an auto-generated confirmation, never to hear from them again.

Knock off the “Awe shucks, ‘taint nuthin” Andy Griffith routine. Better yet, choose to not devolve into the slacker Bugsy/Middleview/spamature/write on “Fox News/Hannity” attribution. Not only are those guys idiots, but they are overwhelmingly dishonest - and, as I said, you are a cut above.
 

EatTheRich

President
1. AND BEYOND COINCIDENCE THAT AFTER THIS AFTER-HOURS COUNTING HAPPENED AT STATE FARM ARENA THEY GOT A BULK VOTING RESULT OVERWHELMINGLY FOR BRANDON. No. that election was stolen.


2. No, I saw on television a number of GOP poll challengers outside trying to get back in and they were not allowed. I SAW IT!
Not a coincidence at all. Biden voters tended to vote absentee in order to prevent needless loss of life from Covid, while Trump encouraged his voters to vote in person (creating the illusion of a vanishing Trump lead due to the disparity in voting methods) because he cared more about casting aspersions on an election he knew he was going to lose than about the people who would be killed or maimed by his decision.
 

God of War

Governor
Not a coincidence at all. Biden voters tended to vote absentee in order to prevent needless loss of life from Covid, while Trump encouraged his voters to vote in person (creating the illusion of a vanishing Trump lead due to the disparity in voting methods) because he cared more about casting aspersions on an election he knew he was going to lose than about the people who would be killed or maimed by his decision.
Total pulp fiction. You got a career in it kid.
 

EatTheRich

President
Okay then.
I have also been all over this country, including Hawaii, Alaska, and Puerto Rico. Over the years I have noticed distinct changes in basic things, like the way people who work in restaurants and stores regard the people who come to buy.

I"m so sorry that the colors "blue" and "red" offend you so much. I embrace the red and used to embrace the blue also when Liberals were in charge. Classic Liberals were libertarian in nature - and that is what I am. A tolerant live and let live libertarian (small L). It's okay that you haven't noticed the hard left turn the Democrats have taken. Whether or not you noticed, it is there and the chaos and ruin in Democrat-run cities like Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, NYC, Baltimore, Detroit, and others is evident. The Republican, red, cities haven't fared much better since Progressivism has infected the GOP also. Our cities are lying in ruin. I wish you were able to see it but.... apparently you're not. And it is not black people ruining those cities. It is Progressivism led by the whitest of white people.

White and black Elite Progressives use black people. They have absolutely no real regard for them. Joe Biden called black cities a "jungle". I wouldn't trust either Democrats or the GOP to care about the plight of black people. They knowingly created that plight. And for you to use that against me personally is, frankly, reprehensible.
You’re confusing cause and effect. The people have shifted to the left as urban living standards have inevitably declined as a result of capitalism’s senescence and the American empire’s decline.
 

EatTheRich

President
1) I have not noticed any discernible changes in the way stores and restaurants treat people who come to buy from them over the years. As one who has owned and built several restaurants, I usually notice if these places are run and staffed by people who understand the concept of hospitality and professionalism. Some are better than others.

2) It’s not that I am offended by the colors red and blue but rather how some people use them as a way to attack people who live in or are elected representatives in certain states and especially large cities. I have not noticed so much a hard left turn by Democrats over the past three or four decades. However I have noticed an extreme right turn by the Republican Party starting around the time when the fairness doctrine was abolished and Bewt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh began an all out assault on the Clintons and liberalism in general around 1992. It has steadily grown into what the GOP has morphed into today. Crazed conspiracy nuts who can not accept defeat and will do anything to stay in or regain power. The Jan 6 committee is doing a great job of exposing this utter lunacy right now.

3) Can you name any of these “Republican Red Cities”? I can’t think of any. I live in Los Angeles and know and visit people in every area of my city. I just drove through most of it last week. It is anything but lying in ruin as you say. I think it’s all how you look at it. In my experience LA is an unbelievably beautiful place with unlimited opportunities for anyone with the vision and determination to make it happen for them.

4) White, Black, Hispanic, Middle Eastern and Asian progressives have helped build this country over the years and brought forth positive changes in the process. Lincoln was a progressive along with Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower and others. Blaming the problems that major population centers around America and around the world on these evil progressives who you claim are using these hapless black people is pretty fvcking silly in my view. However trying to get their votes thrown out like Trump and Guiliani did after he lost is the epitome of racist white supremicist behavior. I did not nor am I using any of this against you personally, I am using much of it against Trump and his crooked, racist cronies.
1. It’s possible that people who do notice a change are exhibiting different behavior themselves and therefore getting a less desirable response.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
I gave you "proof" and you just deny the proof on the basis of the word of people with a very deep vested interest to "debunk" the truth and others who are political animals working their ends by any means.

We are done.

I stand with those who know it was stolen and you with those who don't know it was stolen. Get over your absurd notion that you are the arbiter of truth for anybody else but yourself. Our truth demands a trueing of the vote. If you can't manage that well then the republic is at risk.
So no, no proof. Just a bunch of words salad, and a feigned solidarity with others who believe very firmly in things with no proof? Cool.

PS our truth demands truth, truth is found in the singularity of votes then consolidated and counted together. The sum of which reveals the truth of an election as to who won and who did not. If you find something ran afoul of that truth it is a singular matter of proving or disproving whatever theory it is that your espousing. Count, then count again. Throwing a shit ton of gobbledygook at something and then pretending that because there's a shit ton of gobbledygook being spewed does not then make anything truer than the thing that has an actual count associated with it.

Go on and true the vote, bring forth all these ballots, make sure they number in the millions sufficient enough to overturn the election and have at it

The truth of the matter is that in all these so-called lawsuits, and the many many lawsuits that were brought, none of them held water.

You want a true vote, go out and have a true vote. But don't pretend all this [Unwelcome language removed] chicanery was going on swear that it's true, and then don't have the balls to back it up. Stand the [Unwelcome language removed] up and back it up if you think it's that important. But don't tear the country apart on the make believe, this isn't Mr Rogers neighborhood this is [Unwelcome language removed] America
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
It's not just you. It is getting ugly, perhaps 1939 ugly...time will tell but I am not optimistic about the coming decades.
That's about the size of it. There are basically two paths, put down the hegemonic scum that would leverage their power against their innocent neighbors while concurrently risking nuclear war, or, have a nuclear war. Nobody's going to have a nuclear war, so the truest path is to step forward and put down the hegemonic scum before it gets too powerful
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
I gave you "proof" and you just deny the proof on the basis of the word of people with a very deep vested interest to "debunk" the truth and others who are political animals working their ends by any means.

We are done.

I stand with those who know it was stolen and you with those who don't know it was stolen. Get over your absurd notion that you are the arbiter of truth for anybody else but yourself. Our truth demands a trueing of the vote. If you can't manage that well then the republic is at risk.

Here's a test for you before we're officially done..

If all of these things you say are true, the pole watchers being denied, the boxes of ballots being pulled out from under tables, insert whatever irregularity you wish here. If all of these things as you say are true, but they all fell in favor of trump. Would you be taking your stand today in favor of Biden and calling for a recount?

I'm going to go out on the limb and guess that you're saying [Unwelcome language removed] no right about now.

That's how you prove to everybody that your theories and your support for a so-called truing of the vote are a pile of shit.
 

sensible don

Governor
Supporting Member
well, I will say this, if it is soooooooooo bad, there is a simple solution....... why must your righties live life sooooooooo depressed with the " world is out to get just me " attitude. you know this doomsday thing is how Hitler got them to follow him - amiright?

Hey look at this and tell me who is doing this same thing......... hmmm....christian nationaism indeed

1. His violent racial nationalism, which springs from his conviction that the Aryan stocks ( white people ) in general, and the Germans in particular, are a chosen people in whose victorious survival the divine purposes are bound up. CHECK

2. His violent animosity to Marxian Socialism as in essence opposed to his ideal of a nationally minded people and a racial state. ... CHECK

3. His violent hatred of the Jews as the racial enemies of all Aryans, the subtle corrupters of pure Aryan states. These parasites, says Hitler, have made Marxian Socialism, which they invented, the principal tool by which they insinuate themselves into healthy, pure blooded, racial states in order to debase simultaneously the national ideals and the national blood. Destroyers of Aryan civilizations, they remain impotent to create a civilization of their own. CHECK

4. His concern for social betterment ('true Socialism') as a necessary prerequisite to the acceptance of his ideals by the masses. CHECK

5. His contempt for the intelligence of the ordinary man and for a democracy based on faith in his development to higher levels. NEEDS STUPID PEOPLE BUT DOES LIE TO THEM DAILY

6. His contempt for parliamentary institutions as the organs of such a democracy, which substitutes for the decision of a competent leader the majority vote of the incompetent. A parliament, moreover, says Hitler, is the natural field of operations for the Jewish Socialist enemy. CHECK

7. His insistence on the power of personality and on the entire concentration of authority in the hands of one leader (up to now, himself). CHECK CHECK AND CHECK

8. His economic nationalism, with its distrust of international capital and its preference for small, locally controlled business organizations. Hitler fears the banks and all newfangled ideas for controlling credit. He objects to stock companies and stresses the value of personal ownership. In short, he believes in the ruthless subordination of economic interests and economic leaders to racial and national considerations. NOT YET

9. His insistence that Germany must acquire more land in Europe as a vital requirement for national expansion and progress (after the present corruption of the national blood and the national ideals has been stopped). NOT YET

10. His insistence that France is the archenemy. France, he urges, must be broken before Germany can undertake to conquer land from Russia (the only possible source). SUB MEXICO
 

God of War

Governor
Here's a test for you before we're officially done..

If all of these things you say are true, the pole watchers being denied, the boxes of ballots being pulled out from under tables, insert whatever irregularity you wish here. If all of these things as you say are true, but they all fell in favor of trump. Would you be taking your stand today in favor of Biden and calling for a recount?

I'm going to go out on the limb and guess that you're saying [Unwelcome language removed] no right about now.

That's how you prove to everybody that your theories and your support for a so-called truing of the vote are a pile of shit.
okay jack... this is Ukraine... the story that says Americans should just walk away. The story that shows just how much corruption comes from Ukraine and in my opinion was part and parcel with the stealing of the 2020 election.

 

God of War

Governor
So no, no proof. Just a bunch of words salad, and a feigned solidarity with others who believe very firmly in things with no proof? Cool.

PS our truth demands truth, truth is found in the singularity of votes then consolidated and counted together. The sum of which reveals the truth of an election as to who won and who did not. If you find something ran afoul of that truth it is a singular matter of proving or disproving whatever theory it is that your espousing. Count, then count again. Throwing a shit ton of gobbledygook at something and then pretending that because there's a shit ton of gobbledygook being spewed does not then make anything truer than the thing that has an actual count associated with it.

Go on and true the vote, bring forth all these ballots, make sure they number in the millions sufficient enough to overturn the election and have at it

The truth of the matter is that in all these so-called lawsuits, and the many many lawsuits that were brought, none of them held water.

You want a true vote, go out and have a true vote. But don't pretend all this [Unwelcome language removed] chicanery was going on swear that it's true, and then don't have the balls to back it up. Stand the [Unwelcome language removed] up and back it up if you think it's that important. But don't tear the country apart on the make believe, this isn't Mr Rogers neighborhood this is [Unwelcome language removed] America
The election was stolen.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
okay jack... this is Ukraine... the story that says Americans should just walk away. The story that shows just how much corruption comes from Ukraine and in my opinion was part and parcel with the stealing of the 2020 election.

Yikes. Hard left huh? Couldn't even make an attempt at addressing the question huh just had to throw a bunch of gobbledygook out there again..

Have some Stones chief, answer my question
 

God of War

Governor
If the outcome was in Trump's favor, and all of those circumstances that you outlined still existed as you say they do, with the election still be stolen?
Your hypothetical is that Biden is a registered Republican and Trump is the lifelong registered Democrat we know him to be? I guess it was stolen in your hypothetical then.

Or in your hypothetical Philly, Mo-town and Hotlanta are all decades long run Republican strongholds with Republican election commissioners. And the globalist-communist media cover up is really a what...? An internet conservative dominated media?

Your hypothetical is absurd.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Your hypothetical is that Biden is a registered Republican and Trump is the lifelong registered Democrat we know him to be? I guess it was stolen in your hypothetical then.

Or in your hypothetical Philly, Mo-town and Hotlanta are all decades long run Republican strongholds with Republican election commissioners. And the globalist-communist media cover up is really a what...? An internet conservative dominated media?

Your hypothetical is absurd.
Can't do it can you? It's a very simple hypothetical. One in which Trump won the election, but all of these claims of voter fraud resulted in supposed being thrown Trump's way. Why can't you answer the question? Would you stand as you supposedly stand now for a truing of the vote? Stop throwing gobbledy go get me and take a stand. Are you for equity and fairness in the vote, and an exposing of any sort of manipulation or wrongdoing as you claim today, or not?
 
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