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Is there anyone here who openly identifies as a Fascist, National Socialist etc?

Notice how it's all right wingers here denying the Holocaust and making excuses for the Nazis......and then you turn around and call the left fascist.

It's very funny.
 

middleview

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The Jews didn't really have the opportunity to organize the kind of resistance you speak of. The Germans had disarmed the populace early on after Hitler had seized power. His propaganda program had whipped up a false narrative against the Jews so there was very little sympathy for them among the German people.
When they did fight back, as in Warsaw, they were slaughtered, being no match for the German Army.
Every crime committed against the Jews (before the death camps) was legal under German law. Hitler's government changed or created laws that permitted German citizens to take the homes and property of Jews.
By the time they are aware of just how powerless they were to defend themselves, it was too late to fight back.
In fact the population of Germany was well armed after WWI...the German army having marched home with their weapons. Many became members of private militia paid by either the communists or the industrialists. Open warfare between the sides broke out in the streets. The Wiemar government attempted to disarm the militias and even the possession of ammunition could get you prison time. When Hitler took power he actually made it easier for people to own guns...as long as you belonged to the party...and Jews did not.

Jews had been subjected to riots and pogroms for decades. They believed it would be shortlived and eventually pass. It did not. The Nazis increased the pressure gradually. The Nuremburg laws should have been a clue. They were passed in 1935. There were about 500,000 Jews in German, of a population of 67 million.
When you consider how many of those 500,000 were military age and physically able to fight there might have been an army of less than 70,000 able to resist, but without weapons.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
The Jews declared war on Germany first, long before Britain and France did - but it was their betrayal of Germany in WWI and then their profiting from it after Versailles which turned Germans against them. Germany had taken Jews fleeing Russia wit open arms but were seen to betray their hosts at Versaille.

But .... no Jew was detained as 'an enemy of the state' until the French and British ( at Roosevelt's instiation, declared war.

The rich Jews had already left Germany before war was declared with their wealth.
The British and French had a treaty with Poland. Hitler invaded Poland and ended up starting WWII.
 

JackDallas

Senator
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The Snowjob's Yellow Epitaph

So you prefer that everybody wallow in guilt for not stopping Hitler before he could initiate the Holocaust? That's just a way to feel morally superior. But there's nothing moral about sending fighting men to die for those who gutlessly refused to defend themselves as much as they could, including the Czechs, Poles, Danes, Belgians, Dutch, and French. That ignorant attitude becoming acceptable is what the Chickenhawks used as justification for pawning off 60,000 working-class troops to die for the gutless South Vietnamese.
I didn't say any of that.
 
The British and French had a treaty with Poland. Hitler invaded Poland and ended up starting WWII.
Everything is text book black and white eh middleview?

Why did the League of Nations ignore Germany's pleas to help the ethnic minorities being persecuted in Poland? Why didn't they step in when Germany was refused the use of the corridor? Why was Poland's aggression toward Germany ignored? How many thousand refugees were on Germany'e border? Who forced France and Britain into signing the promise and how were they supposed to come to Poland;s aid? Why did Poland have the land in question? When did Russia enter Poland?

There, there is a nice middleview type question to start your day, midlesview.
 

middleview

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Supporting Member
Everything is text book black and white eh middleview?

Why did the League of Nations ignore Germany's pleas to help the ethnic minorities being persecuted in Poland? Why didn't they step in when Germany was refused the use of the corridor? Why was Poland's aggression toward Germany ignored? How many thousand refugees were on Germany'e border? Who forced France and Britain into signing the promise and how were they supposed to come to Poland;s aid? Why did Poland have the land in question? When did Russia enter Poland?

There, there is a nice middleview type question to start your day, midlesview.
Who invaded Poland first, Germany or Russia?

Are you completely unaware of the false flag attacks on the border by Polish prisoners dressed as soldiers, murdered and their bodies left as if killed during an attack?
If Hitler only wanted the Danzig corridor, why occupy more than half of Poland and destroy much of Warsaw?
 
Who invaded Poland first, Germany or Russia?

Are you completely unaware of the false flag attacks on the border by Polish prisoners dressed as soldiers, murdered and their bodies left as if killed during an attack?
If Hitler only wanted the Danzig corridor, why occupy more than half of Poland and destroy much of Warsaw?
They entered at the same time.

Proven from findings in the Russian archives is that Russia intended to cross Poland to attack/enter Germany so Hitler knew and had to meet Stalin's army before it got to Germany BUT, in the past, I have shown you proofs of the horrendous Polish persecution of ethnic minorities, the 40 thousand refugees on the German border, and Germany's pleas for help, which were ignored - Polish prisoners? Huh? What are you talking about, middleview? There were cross border spats and attacks from both sides BUT we know that Poland was demanding more of Germany for itself -

I repeat ; Why did the League of Nations ignore Germany's pleas to help the ethnic minorities being persecuted in Poland? Why didn't they step in when Germany was refused the use of the corridor? Why was Poland's aggression toward Germany ignored? How many thousand refugees were on Germany'e border? Who forced France and Britain into signing the promise and how were they supposed to come to Poland;s aid? Why did Poland have the land in question?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
They entered at the same time.

Proven from findings in the Russian archives is that Russia intended to cross Poland to attack/enter Germany so Hitler knew and had to meet Stalin's army before it got to Germany BUT, in the past, I have shown you proofs of the horrendous Polish persecution of ethnic minorities, the 40 thousand refugees on the German border, and Germany's pleas for help, which were ignored - Polish prisoners? Huh? What are you talking about, middleview? There were cross border spats and attacks from both sides BUT we know that Poland was demanding more of Germany for itself -

I repeat ; Why did the League of Nations ignore Germany's pleas to help the ethnic minorities being persecuted in Poland? Why didn't they step in when Germany was refused the use of the corridor? Why was Poland's aggression toward Germany ignored? How many thousand refugees were on Germany'e border? Who forced France and Britain into signing the promise and how were they supposed to come to Poland;s aid? Why did Poland have the land in question?
Germany invaded Poland on September 1st, 1939. Russia invaded on September 17.
If you think that is "at the same time" then you clearly have a problem with accuracy.

The false flag operation by the SS was called the Gleiwitz incident. It was one of more than a dozen faked attacks by Poland on Germany.


Hitler's claim of widespread abuse of Germans in Poland was bullshit. It was just part of the excuse to invade. Lebensraum mean anything to you?

Germany had expelled Poles from Germany a number of times in the years before WWI.

Your questions about the treaty between France, Britain and Poland are red herrings...not worth discussion. Why did Hitler and Stalin have a treaty?
 
Germany invaded Poland on September 1st, 1939. Russia invaded on September 17.
If you think that is "at the same time" then you clearly have a problem with accuracy.

The false flag operation by the SS was called the Gleiwitz incident. It was one of more than a dozen faked attacks by Poland on Germany.


Hitler's claim of widespread abuse of Germans in Poland was bullshit. It was just part of the excuse to invade. Lebensraum mean anything to you?

Germany had expelled Poles from Germany a number of times in the years before WWI.

Your questions about the treaty between France, Britain and Poland are red herrings...not worth discussion. Why did Hitler and Stalin have a treaty?
My answers are disappearing so what is the point of this one sided discussion?

None of what you say is provable though - all that I say is.
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
They entered at the same time.

Proven from findings in the Russian archives is that Russia intended to cross Poland to attack/enter Germany so Hitler knew and had to meet Stalin's army before it got to Germany BUT, in the past, I have shown you proofs of the horrendous Polish persecution of ethnic minorities, the 40 thousand refugees on the German border, and Germany's pleas for help, which were ignored - Polish prisoners? Huh? What are you talking about, middleview? There were cross border spats and attacks from both sides BUT we know that Poland was demanding more of Germany for itself -

I repeat ; Why did the League of Nations ignore Germany's pleas to help the ethnic minorities being persecuted in Poland? Why didn't they step in when Germany was refused the use of the corridor? Why was Poland's aggression toward Germany ignored? How many thousand refugees were on Germany'e border? Who forced France and Britain into signing the promise and how were they supposed to come to Poland;s aid? Why did Poland have the land in question?
So, it sounds to me like you're pretty much saying that Germany holds no responsibility for the Second World War and for the deaths of 70 million people?
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
It's always fun when there are Fascists on a forum.
I don't find it all that much fun. The two posters, who seem to be the most demented, sick and twisted, nutjobs on this issue, are two women whom, outside of this one issue, I like very much.
Their posts are always interesting and informative. I've seen no malice, racism, bigotry, or hatred in anything they typically post. But this one issue is an outlier that requires a massive suspension of intelligence, knowledge of history and of the overwhelming evidence of the truth of a thoroughly documented historical event.
 
The German Czechs ( a made up country from Versaille) rightfully wanted to be repatriated - The Poles were killing ethnic minorities; Jews, Germans, Ukrainians and confiscating their homes and land ( East Prussia) and refusing Germany it's corridor to the German sea port BUT Stalin entered poland at exactly the same time as the Reich - Denmark and Belgium, The Nederlands and France were defence strategies to protect the coast -
But I agree neither European war was the business of the US - but for the few evil ones ( bankers) $$$$$$ who we always fight for
Draw Play


The American and European hereditary upper classes, who control those banks absolutely over their Jewish flunkies, were pro-Nazi. When Hitler preemptively invaded Russia, it became obvious that he would later preemptively attack the United States, especially when Stalin intentionally made it look like Russia would soon collapse and give Hitler the resources to defeat us. Stalin refused to fight back until December 7, 1941. Only ignorant historians dismiss that as a coincidence.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Draw Play


The American and European hereditary upper classes, who control those banks absolutely over their Jewish flunkies, were pro-Nazi. When Hitler preemptively invaded Russia, it became obvious that he would later preemptively attack the United States, especially when Stalin intentionally made it look like Russia would soon collapse and give Hitler the resources to defeat us. Stalin refused to fight back until December 7, 1941. Only ignorant historians dismiss that as a coincidence.
Are you that seriously uninformed? Germany invaded in June of 1941. They slaughtered the Russian forces and destroyed most of the Russian air force.
By November of 1941 the Russians had halted the German advance on Moscow. DId they do that by not fighting back? The Russian counter offensive began on December 5th, 1941.
 

Emily

NSDAP Kanzler
Notice how it's all right wingers here denying the Holocaust and making excuses for the Nazis
That's entirely incorrect.
No,it is entirely correct.
Do you really think you're a liberal?
i am what i say: A National Socialist. There are more political stances than only liberal & conservative. Liberals and National Socialists share many positions. Conservatives and National Socialists share other positions. Placing NS in its entirety on one or the other side of the left/right divide is always incorrect. FakName's comment -- that the people supposedly denying The Holocaust (an incomplete and thus inaccurate assessment) here are right wingers is -- completely wrong. If he and others who hold such a mistaken notion would inquire, that truth would be obvious.

The British and French had a treaty with Poland. Hitler invaded Poland and ended up starting WWII.
Here are some relevant links (some may have been removed by the thought police; i didn't double-check):
www.renegadetribune.com/hitler-was-not-controlled-opposition-part-3/

Hitler's claim of widespread abuse of Germans in Poland was bullshit.
The claims were accurate. Proof is readily available.
The claim that Gleiwitz was a false flag has since been proven false.

So, it sounds to me like you're pretty much saying that Germany holds no responsibility for the Second World War and for the deaths of 70 million people?
When countries war, no side is blameless. All sides want to believe that they're the good guys.
Yet, it's only the victor that gets to write the history.
Here are some historical facts that the victors of WWII chose not to emphasize (to phrase it mildly):

Before the war, Hitler made over 20 peace offers, proposed multilateral disarmament policies in the League of Nations, and was flexible -- generous, even -- in all of his negotiations in order to avoid war. Hitler (and Rudolf Hess) repeatedly, many times, made it crystal clear that by desiring to establish the purity of the Nordic Race they could not desire war because that would be “selection in reverse.” It happens in war that the first to die are the most “pure," valiant, and Aryan (noble).

Before and during the war, Hitler protected the Jews within German territory from reprisals & pogroms, Hitler allowed German Jews to be successfully “transferred” to Palestine, along with their wealth & belongings.

Even before the war, Hitler proposed in many conferences the prohibition of targeting women & children during wars, and he asked for the prohibition of weapons which would only bring suffering to civilians; propositions which were ignored by the Allies.

During the war, Hitler had his soldiers abstain from flying at night because, in the darkness, they couldn’t distinguish so well between military & civilian targets.

During the war, the Allies couldn’t understand why the Germans remained so long in newly conquered areas, rebuilding the destroyed infrastructure for the civilians. Hitler, on the other hand, cexpressed bewilderment at why German hospitals were a favorite objective of English bombing.

Hitler refused to use chemical weapons against the Allies during the D-Day landings at Normandy.

There's more; some are in the links above. Only the victors get to write the history; it's never unbiased.

I don't find it all that much fun. The two posters, who seem to be the most demented, sick and twisted, nutjobs on this issue, are two women whom, outside of this one issue, I like very much.
Their posts are always interesting and informative. I've seen no malice, racism, bigotry, or hatred in anything they typically post. But this one issue is an outlier that requires a massive suspension of intelligence, knowledge of history and of the overwhelming evidence of the truth of a thoroughly documented historical event.
Thank you.
You and I have what I feel is a gentlepersons' agreement regarding this one topic, so i'll reply with only one general question:
Allowing that reasonable people may reasonably disagree, if a person demonstrates that they're at least somewhat intelligent, generally informed, sane, and rational, might it not be possible that their stance on a particular issue ISN'T one that could only be held by an ignorant, "demented, sick, and twisted nutjob?"
 
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