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PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
The workers and farmers do their share by producing all the wealth not produced by nature.

If the bourgeoisie alone pay taxes, then everyone contributes a share in a sense … the bourgeoisie by accepting a reduced share of the wealth they garner without creating it, and the workers and farmers by creating the wealth that the bourgeoisie use to pay taxes, plus the amount that is left for them after the taxes are paid.
We've been down this road before it's getting pretty boring. The workers and farmers do not produce all the wealth not produced by nature. Absent the utilities, the tools, the land, the infrastructure, all to scale the worker and farmer are only producing enough to take care of themselves alone. Go forth and produce at scale absent all the things above and then get back to me...

They cannot.

Meanwhile, everybody wants robust social services, public transport, roadways, and all the things that facilitate production for the worker and the farmer. Again go forth and create all that without paying taxes...

Rather than set the expectation that someone is owed we should all be contributing to the whole.
 

Spamature

President
How smart does Donnie think he is presently?
It just means Hunter is also charged and many more charges coming and POP is scared he's going to die before all the cases are finished :)
Smart enough to get your vote twice ?

Biden will not face ANY charges other than the ones in wingers dreams.
 

Spamature

President
Liar
Place your bet______
So you want readers to believe you voted for Clinton 2016 and Biden in 2020 ?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha....aaaaaahhhhhh...hahahahahahaha !

What do you want to bet that Biden doesn't get charged with anything ?
'Although considering your previous statement I doubt you are honest enough to pay up on a bet.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
When Trump and thousands of others paid no income tax, THEY PAID far more than than other people paid in taxes, in contributions to charities, so as to be able to offset the taxes. No, I have no problem with that.
This one actually thinks Trump donated lots of money to charities.

Seems he never heard that Trump’s “charitable foundation” was shut down because he grifted the money, spending it on things like portraits of himself at his clubs.

;-)
 

EatTheRich

President
We've been down this road before it's getting pretty boring. The workers and farmers do not produce all the wealth not produced by nature. Absent the utilities, the tools, the land, the infrastructure, all to scale the worker and farmer are only producing enough to take care of themselves alone. Go forth and produce at scale absent all the things above and then get back to me...

They cannot.

Meanwhile, everybody wants robust social services, public transport, roadways, and all the things that facilitate production for the worker and the farmer. Again go forth and create all that without paying taxes...

Rather than set the expectation that someone is owed we should all be contributing to the whole.
“The land”=nature, improved by the labor of farmers.
“The utilities, the tools, the infrastructure”=all created by the labor of workers.
“Robust social services, public transport, roadways”=all provided by the labor of workers.

Money=a claim on the wealth produced by nature, workers and farmers (an expectation, backed up by social power, that one is owed that wealth).
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
“The land”=nature, improved by the labor of farmers.
“The utilities, the tools, the infrastructure”=all created by the labor of workers.
“Robust social services, public transport, roadways”=all provided by the labor of workers.

Money=a claim on the wealth produced by nature, workers and farmers (an expectation, backed up by social power, that one is owed that wealth).
You always ignore the core of it. Go produce it yourself.

Pick an industry any industry?

Auto?
 

protectionist

Governor
Yes and his response to the ballooning deficits from the 1st tax cut was to cut taxes by another 12% and then another 10% in the last two years. Then it stayed nearly the same for the next 6 yrs until Clinton raised it by 9%.

That is what's to see here.
Yup. Democrats with lower taxes on the rich then Republicans had, while hypocritically claiming Republicans were against taxing the rich. Sheeeesh!
 

protectionist

Governor
This one actually thinks Trump donated lots of money to charities.

Seems he never heard that Trump’s “charitable foundation” was shut down because he grifted the money, spending it on things like portraits of himself at his clubs.

;-)
Yeah, I heard the propaganda - just like the leftist BS about Trump University.

Now you can hear the truth,
The Donald J. Trump Foundation gave away $10.9 million from 2001 to 2014, in philanthropy with donations to more than 400 different charities, according to a Forbes analysis of 14 years of IRS documents. Among the notable recipients: the William J. Clinton Foundation, a state branch of the ACLU and a nonprofit run by the New York Times.

The biggest single beneficiary was the Police Athletic League, a New York City charity that works with local police officers to provide summer camps, universal pre-K programs and after-school activities for children.

An estimated 36% of the foundation’s money went to roughly 100 organizations promoting healthcare, the Forbes examination revealed. The Trump Foundation gave more than $465,000 to both the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute and Operation Smile, which offers free surgeries to children born with cleft palates in developing countries. The foundation gave at least $326,000 to New York Presbyterian Hospital (where I was born), and $250,750 to its sister institution, the Hospital for Special Surgery, which is also based in New York City.

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The Trump Foundation gave most of its money to traditional philanthropic causes, including the United Way, a handful of schools, and more than 10 museums.

Trump also directed $100,000 in 2010 to the foundation of his son Eric, who serves on the board of the Donald J. Trump Foundation. Eric Trump’s foundation, unlike his father’s, has focused its giving on one charity, a pediatric cancer center called St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee.

These charitable contributions offset taxes that would have been paid. That's the system, and it's a good one.
if the money had gone to taxes instead of these charities, where would it have wound up ? In surgeries for LGBT lunatics to transfer themselves from one sex to another ? (so they think)


 
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Bugsy McGurk

President
Yeah, I heard the propaganda - just like the leftist BS about Trump University.

Now you can hear the truth,
The Donald J. Trump Foundation gave away $10.9 million from 2001 to 2014, in philanthropy with donations to more than 400 different charities, according to a Forbes analysis of 14 years of IRS documents. Among the notable recipients: the William J. Clinton Foundation, a state branch of the ACLU and a nonprofit run by the New York Times.

The biggest single beneficiary was the Police Athletic League, a New York City charity that works with local police officers to provide summer camps, universal pre-K programs and after-school activities for children.

An estimated 36% of the foundation’s money went to roughly 100 organizations promoting healthcare, the Forbes examination revealed. The Trump Foundation gave more than $465,000 to both the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute and Operation Smile, which offers free surgeries to children born with cleft palates in developing countries. The foundation gave at least $326,000 to New York Presbyterian Hospital (where I was born), and $250,750 to its sister institution, the Hospital for Special Surgery, which is also based in New York City.

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The Trump Foundation gave most of its money to traditional philanthropic causes, including the United Way, a handful of schools, and more than 10 museums.

Trump also directed $100,000 in 2010 to the foundation of his son Eric, who serves on the board of the Donald J. Trump Foundation. Eric Trump’s foundation, unlike his father’s, has focused its giving on one charity, a pediatric cancer center called St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee.

These charitable contributions offset taxes that would have been paid. That's the system, and it's a good one.
if the money had gone to taxes instead of these charities, where would it have wound up ? In surgeries for LGBT lunatics to transfer themselves from one sex to another ? (so they think)


Please. It got shut down for fraud.

Shut down.
 

EatTheRich

President
You always ignore the core of it. Go produce it yourself.

Pick an industry any industry?

Auto?
Workers and farmers DO produce all of that (all that is not produced by nature) themselves. Any modern industry, of course, requires a collective effort. But the capitalist who invests money but does no labor contributes NOTHING to production ... just determines ACCESS to resources created by the labor of others (or by nature), and commands labor via the threat of starvation, via the social power he wields.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
IRRELEVANT. I was answering the previous post >> "This one actually thinks Trump donated lots of money to charities." Yeah, I think that - because HE DID. HUH!

OLD THREAD!!!!!
He got shut down for fraud because he operated as a proper charity?

The things you will say for your cult leader.

You’re shameless!
 

protectionist

Governor
He got shut down for fraud because he operated as a proper charity?

The things you will say for your cult leader.

You’re shameless!
He donated lots of money to charities.

STOP LYING And fcking up this forum, you idiot.

 

Bugsy McGurk

President
He donated lots of money to charities.

STOP LYING And fcking up this forum, you idiot.

From your puff piece, which doesn’t even mention the many instances of Trump grifting with the money of other people:

“Most of the money in the Trump Foundation from 2001-2014 did not originally come from Donald Trump. Between 2001 and 2008, the president donated a total of $2.8 million, or 0.08% of his $3.7 billion fortune, to his own foundation. From 2009-2014, Trump gave $0 to the group. He remained its president but financed its activities with money from outsiders, including Comedy Central and NBCUniversal.

In September the New York attorney general ordered the Trump Foundation to stop soliciting donations, saying it was violating state law that requires foundations that solicit money to register with the state charities bureau and submit annual audited financial statements. The order came one day after the Washington Post, which has written extensively on the Trump Foundation, reportedthat the organization had not registered as a charity soliciting money.”

Proud of your cult leader, are you?
 

protectionist

Governor
From your puff piece, which doesn’t even mention the many instances of Trump grifting with the money of other people:

“Most of the money in the Trump Foundation from 2001-2014 did not originally come from Donald Trump. Between 2001 and 2008, the president donated a total of $2.8 million, or 0.08% of his $3.7 billion fortune, to his own foundation. From 2009-2014, Trump gave $0 to the group. He remained its president but financed its activities with money from outsiders, including Comedy Central and NBCUniversal.

In September the New York attorney general ordered the Trump Foundation to stop soliciting donations, saying it was violating state law that requires foundations that solicit money to register with the state charities bureau and submit annual audited financial statements. The order came one day after the Washington Post, which has written extensively on the Trump Foundation, reportedthat the organization had not registered as a charity soliciting money.”

Proud of your cult leader, are you?

And let's see you provide some evidence and SUBSTANCE to back up your silly claims of
"cult" leader. Upon WHAT do you base this "cult" claim you love so much ?
 
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