JFK Assassination 50th Anniversary: What do you think happened?

[condorkristy]

I despise the "Michigan Militia". Misguided, brain-dead angry and impotent little freaks that need guns to fill the void that goes along with cowardice and lack of character.

No. My point was that if it was a CIA-Mafia-Cuban plot, it would have been so complex and so many people would have been involved that there would be no way it would not have been revealed by now. The only thing that does make sense is the unpredictable and unforeseen lunatic.

Just to bore you with my theory:

Oswald wanted to defect to Cuba (the PBS documentary says as much). To increase his bond fides with Cuba. He tells them at the embassy that he will kill JFK. The guys at the Cuban embassy he visited in Mexico City told him to "knock himself out". They don't get official clearance for it from Havana but they offer him safe passage to Cuba if he does.

For Cuba, there is all upside.

• If LHO goes through with it...the guy who authorized invasion of their country is killed.
• If he doesn't go through with it...no harm no foul.
• If Oswald is captured and squawks about Cuba being in on it; the only people who know anything about it are in an embassy in Mexico--nobody in Havanna.
• If Oswald kills JFK and is killed...double bonus.

My theory involves three people. Oswald, an official at the Cuban embassy, and probably an operative who met with him (say...at a darkened theater in Dallas). The same number of guys involved in OKC.

But...as you said the simplest scenarios are probably the easiest. Mine's pretty simple.

 

[condorkristy]

For a while, I was a data collector for the National Weather Service. When the guys from NOAA used to have to go into that Michigan Militia area where Nichols lived....in the Thumb... Bad Axe... or whatever.... they had to drive in unmarked vans with civilian license plates because the inbred hillbillies out there would shoot at government vehicles....That's just how deformed, dumb and angry they are. The only thing the NWS guys do is maintain those Cotton Region shelters. They have nothing at all to do with politics.

About 10 miles from my house on a county road out in the middle of nowhere there is a compound that flys the "Republic of Texas" Flag. Supposedly the guy that owns it ro runs it sued Google to have his house removed from their google maps site.

 

[Michigander]

About 10 miles from my house on a county road out in the middle of nowhere there is a compound that flys the "Republic of Texas" Flag. Supposedly the guy that owns it ro runs it sued Google to have his house removed from their google maps site.

The big thing here is those "Don't Tread On Me" Gadsden flags. To think that these "militia" weirdos are adults acting like that makes you cringe. Imagine the poor wives and children of those idiots having to bear that embarrassment.

This is why people like that have to be watched and arrested.... every one of those militia freaks, the guys that stormed the Michigan Capitol with their assault rifles is a potential Oswald. People wrapped up in guns, assigning them some magical property, babbling about the second amendment are mentally ill.

Oswald was of that type, an utterly powerless, impotent little person that resorted to deriving his power from a gun because he had none indigenous to his character.

PS: I read that Gretchen Whitmer is in the running for Time's Person of The Year for her strident leadership during the pandemic and for standing up to Trump's childish b attempts to bully her.

 

[condorkristy]

The big thing here is those "Don't Tread On Me" Gadsden flags. To think that these "militia" weirdos are adults acting like that makes you cringe. Imagine the poor wives and children of those idiots having to bear that embarrassment.

This is why people like that have to be watched and arrested.... every one of those militia freaks, the guys that stormed the Michigan Capitol with their assault rifles is a potential Oswald. People wrapped up in guns, assigning them some magical property, babbling about the second amendment are mentally ill.

Oswald was of that type, an utterly powerless, impotent little person that resorted to deriving his power from a gun because he had none indigenous to his character.

PS: I read that Gretchen Whitmer is in the running for Time's Person of The Year for her strident leadership during the pandemic and for standing up to Trump's childish b attempts to bully her.

I think you're right about that.

 

[Michigander]

I'm not among that portion of the population that has delved into Kennedy conspiracies. I have seen a documentary or two, that Oliver Stone movie. But I'm not all that interested. It was before my time.
I just think that if it were Cuban-Russian supported plot, our intelligence agencies would have uncovered that. If it were the CIA or something like that, it would have been leaked long ago. It would be just too big a secret to keep.

 

[Michigander]

I think you're right about that.

I am so sick of gun nuts and their jabbering about what they think their "rights" are.

 

[Sunset Rose]

Ok but how would you account for Kennedy only being hit twice if there was more than one shooter? Was the second assassin just a bad shot to have missed him?

Kennedy was shot multiple times. There were bullets coming from at least three different directions according to some ballistics experts. There were shooters in the Dal-Tex building, the School Book Depository and the grassy knoll.
You don't believe that "magic bullet" theory do you? One bullet hit Kennedy and Connally 7 times? I'm not familiar with guns at all and even I don't believe that one.

 

[Sunset Rose]

Does anyone here believe that the JFK assassination was a coup d'tau? Or is that just too difficult to accept in our democratic, land of the free, home of the brave country?
As painful as it may sound, I think it's a distinct possibility.

 

[condorkristy]

Kennedy was shot multiple times. There were bullets coming from at least three different directions according to some ballistics experts. There were shooters in the Dal-Tex building, the School Book Depository and the grassy knoll.
You don't believe that "magic bullet" theory do you? One bullet hit Kennedy and Connally 7 times? I'm not familiar with guns at all and even I don't believe that one.

It could have happened--the magic bullet theory. What happened to the other bullets then...if there were 3 shooters; they were the worst assassins ever.

 

[Sunset Rose]

It could have happened--the magic bullet theory. What happened to the other bullets then...if there were 3 shooters; they were the worst assassins ever.

What happened to the other bullets? I think Connally was hit twice: in the back and in the thigh. President Kennedy was hit three times: once in the back, twice in the head from the front. Then there was the bullet that hit the pavement down by the triple underpass. That's 6 bullets right there.
John Connally himself said it felt like multiple bullets were being shot into the car. And he knew that he and President Kennedy were shot by DIFFERENT bullets.
I don't understand why some people just can't see the truth.

 

[Sunset Rose]

Happy Thanksgiving everyone. Have a nice day.

 

[condorkristy]

What happened to the other bullets? I think Connally was hit twice: in the back and in the thigh. President Kennedy was hit three times: once in the back, twice in the head from the front. Then there was the bullet that hit the pavement down by the triple underpass. That's 6 bullets right there.
John Connally himself said it felt like multiple bullets were being shot into the car. And he knew that he and President Kennedy were shot by DIFFERENT bullets.
I don't understand why some people just can't see the truth.

Hit in the thigh... Thats a pretty remarkable shot for someone who is seated and surrounded on all sides by other people or a car's side.

Happy Thanksgiving to you too.

 

[Days]

Now, that I don't buy. If that many people had been involved, it would have been impossible to keep secret. I don't think the Warren Commission report is correct, but that's a long way from endorsing some elaborate conspiracy theory.

If there was more than one shooter (and I concede that it is barely possible LHO acted alone), the other shooter or shooters were probably someone LHO had met in Dallas. If it was more than two or three people, someone would have talked. I think even the conspiracy that Garrison thought he'd uncovered (the one dramatized in Oliver Stone's movie "JFK" is too elaborate to have remained secret).

Lee Harvey Oswald was working for the CIA. This was in the days of Hoover and Hoover spied on absolutely everyone in the government. Oswald agreed to spy on the CIA for Hoover... IOW, he became an informant, or whisperer. GHWBush was 2nd in command at the CIA, behind Dulles. The CIA discovered that Oswald was informing Hoover and set him up to take the fall for the JFK assassination. Jack Ruby was part of the mob and a willing member of the conspiracy against JFK. A week before the hit, Oswald delivered six rifles to Jack Ruby for the job. Ruby placed his men in pairs at 3 locations in the square, triangulating the kill zone. A 7th man was up in the book depository, parked in the window by Oswald's desk, firing a rifle recently stolen from Oswald. Oswald himself went down to the yard in front of the book depository to watch the murder from a safe location... he was only 15-20 feet from Zapruder. GHWBush was also watching from the same location.

Ruby killed Oswald before Oswald could rat on him.

 

[Sunset Rose]

Hit in the thigh... Thats a pretty remarkable shot for someone who is seated and surrounded on all sides by other people or a car's side.

Happy Thanksgiving to you too.

Yes, it is a remarkable shot. But, still more believable than the magic bullet theory.

 

[Sunset Rose]

Lee Harvey Oswald was working for the CIA. This was in the days of Hoover and Hoover spied on absolutely everyone in the government. Oswald agreed to spy on the CIA for Hoover... IOW, he became an informant, or whisperer. GHWBush was 2nd in command at the CIA, behind Dulles. The CIA discovered that Oswald was informing Hoover and set him up to take the fall for the JFK assassination. Jack Ruby was part of the mob and a willing member of the conspiracy against JFK. A week before the hit, Oswald delivered six rifles to Jack Ruby for the job. Ruby placed his men in pairs at 3 locations in the square, triangulating the kill zone. A 7th man was up in the book depository, parked in the window by Oswald's desk, firing a rifle recently stolen from Oswald. Oswald himself went down to the yard in front of the book depository to watch the murder from a safe location... he was only 15-20 feet from Zapruder. GHWBush was also watching from the same location.

Ruby killed Oswald before Oswald could rat on him.

This sounds very realistic. Thank you.

 

[EatTheRich]

Here's why I think it was just freak luck by one weird little man: Given the magnitude of the type of conspiracy this would have required if it were orchestrated, the number of people that would have had to be involved, the complexity of the subsequent cover-up by the conspirators themselves and by investigators, witnesses, accomplices, it would be utterly impossible for no one related not to have talked or no suppressed evidence to emerge.
The lone lunatic makes the most sense.... there's no defense, no way to anticipate something like that; like that fruitcake that shot Reagan to impress Jodie Foster.

Word did get out though. For example, a man claiming to be working for the KGB got arrested after firing a gun in public and told police that he wanted to go on the record that there was a plot to kill Kennedy on Nov. 22 in Dallas and it had to be stopped.

 

[EatTheRich]

It could be.

But you'd also have to believe that the "lone lunatic":

• Was also one of the few (if not the only) person who ever defected from the US to Russia and back...and was able to bring his wife with him.
• And also that he just happened to go to Mexico city and visit Cuban embassy. Cuba, by the way, was closely aligned with Russia and was invaded by an action authorized by JFK.
• And he also just happens to be working on the motorcade route.
• Then he just happens to be killed while in police custody.

Seems implausible.

But you could be right. Usually the simplest answers are the best.

I tend to think that Oliver Stone's version was nuts. I think any scenario that doesn't have Oswald taking the shots is nuts. But I don't think Oswald would have left his revolver. Instead, after he shoots JFK instead of getting out of Dodge, he wastes time going home to get a revolver. To me, that doesn't sound logical.

I think it was the Soviet Embassy he visited in Mexico. Edit: never mind, turns out he visited both the Soviet and Cuban Embassies.

 

[Michigander]

Word did get out though. For example, a man claiming to be working for the KGB got arrested after firing a gun in public and told police that he wanted to go on the record that there was a plot to kill Kennedy on Nov. 22 in Dallas and it had to be stopped.

But nothing became of it.

 

[PNWest]

But nothing became of it.

Well the guy did have in his possession a copy of Oswald's fake Military ID. That could have just been one of those things he picked up except for one thing. The card that Oswald had was stamped. The copy that Nagell had was a photocopy of that ID WITHOUT THE STAMP on it. Pretty weird.

Here's what the Zapruder film looks:

Here's a video of a lecture done by an author who wrote a book about the guy -

 

[Michigander]

Sounds like a thousand people have a thousand different stories. I still think that there's not much chance of keeping something that big under wraps. So far, there's nothing credible that disproves the findings of the official investigation.