Mr. Friscus
Governor
that’s not correct. Stalin was totally a fascist. Fascism is not uniquely any political ideology. It can be enforced by either.. clearly.
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EatTheRich
President
Stalin was very much anti-fascist, and the target of much vitriol from the fascists who opposed him.
Mr. Friscus
Governor
look up the term itself, as well as “Red Fascism” (China and Russia) and then we can talk. Until then, i can’t debate someone on the topic of which they aren’t aware of the full spectrum of its application.
if you’re just going to weaponize it politically, then we’re done here.
Nutty Cortez
Dummy (D) NY
Leftists love this.
so who were the people in KKK robes and carrying nazi flags at the Unite the Right rally?
Nutty Cortez
Dummy (D) NY
seizing the means of production;
empowering the masses;
rule by experts;
the elevation of youth and brute emotion over wisdom, tradition and intellect;
the submission of the individual to the will of the state.
not big on property rights and tax cuts.
Sounds like fascists or liberals to me.
Nutty Cortez
Dummy (D) NY
Nobody did. OH you believe the Charlottsville thing. LOL
I thought only retards still bought that media spoon-fed line.
What kind of answer were you expecting? Look around. Look where you are.
EatTheRich
President
“Red Fascism” made an analogy between Stalin’s persecution of the left and Mussolini’s. It does not literally mean that Stalin’s regime (which after all remained “Red” despite Stalin’s betrayal of the revolution) was a fascist one in the mold of Mussolini’s.
EatTheRich
President
1) seizing the means of production ... not typical of fascists or liberals, quite the contrary
2) empowering the masses ... not typical of liberals, much less fascists. Quite the contrary.
3) rule by experts ... the opposite of empowering the masses. This is something fascists and liberals have in common, which places them on one side and most of the radical left on the other.
4) the elevation of youth and brute emotion over wisdom, tradition and intellect. Very typical of fascism, much less so of liberalism or of the left.
5) the submission of the individual to the will of the state. Very typical of fascism, to a lesser extent true of liberalism. Not true of most of the radical left.
6) not big on property rights and tax cuts. Liberals are very big on bourgeois property rights; fascists less so than liberals, but far more so than the radical left. Liberals often pursue tax cuts (e.g., Clinton or Obama), as do fascists (e.g., Mussolini or Pinochet). The radical left supports tax cuts sometimes too (e.g., Mao Zedong). But fascists in particular support tax cuts mostly for big business and the rich, while the radical left tends to support tax cuts on workers and farmers.
German fascists were very pro-business, very pro-private property (unless you were Jewish), very anti-abortion (unless you were Jewish), very pro-religion...(unless you were Jewish). They were also anti-labor union. They did not seize the means of production. They did the usual kind of quotas for war industry, but so did the US.
False.
The fascists in this country organized and participated in the "Unite the Right" rally.
Obviously they aren't leftists.
There were no "good people" marching side by side with Nazis and Klansman on the side of "Unite the Right". Peaceful protesters do not march with Nazis.
Mr. Friscus
Governor
You're incorrect. There wasn't one protest by "Unite the Right". The idiot, evil KKK folks were a second movement that jumped in on an already planned protest of taking down the monument of Robert E. Lee.
The original protest was of normal, peaceful people who just had an issue with historical accuracy and consistency via the monument. And then, there was a counter protest of also peaceful, normal people who wanted the statue taken down. We can disagree on whether which side is correct, but that's not what we're talking about. You're erroneously thinking it was all one protest when it wasn't, and that's a fact.
Trump called the peaceful movement "Good people", and openly bashed the "Unite the right" evil folk (a fact you refuse to acknowledge on purpose). Then, after aggressive, evil neo-Nazi's showed up, aggressive, evil ANTIFA members showed up.. the local police were completely unable to control the situation, and tragedy ensued. Escalation, provoking, violence by both sides until someone lost their life. An evil guys car, approaching ANTIFA and other protesters, was assaulted, and he reacted inhumanely and floored it into a crowd... dispicable, but clearly provoked as well. Crowd panics are dangerous. Nothing good was going to come out of this once the evil people from both sides showed up with so little police control of the situation. I'd imagine most of the "good people" (from both sides) had long gotten out of the there by the time the crazy evil people were active.
You, like the media, lied about what happened and what he said. I don't throw the term around a lot, but when the unquestioned explanation comes out of what actually happened, and you still choose to be wrong about it for political reasons... you're lying.
Glad I could help in better understanding.. but.. I'm guessing you have no interest in what actually happened.
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Mr. Friscus
Governor
So you're supporting the absolute claim that ALL fascism is right-wing?
Let's look at a vague definition of the word:
In general, fascism distinguishes itself for its intolerance of political opponents, suppression of freedom of speech and lack of respect for the democratic principles of a majority vote as well as exclusion or isolation of other democratic parties and the use of violence.
Sounds like it can be, and has been, applied by either sides of the "aisle".
I understand wanting to try to make it stick only on your political opponent, but doing so is dishonest and in bad faith, despite being by definition incorrect.
Still want to claim that ALL fascism is right wing.. even with real world examples in front of you like large ANTIFA terrorist attacks?
Nope.
The entire "Unite the Right" rally was organized by alt right Nazis and included speakers like Richard Spencer.
"The Unite the Right rally[4] was a white supremacist and neo-Nazi[5][6][7][8] rally that was conducted in Charlottesville, Virginia, from August 11 to 12, 2017.[9][10] Protesters were members of the far-right and included self-identified members of the alt-right,[11] neo-Confederates,[12] neo-fascists,[13] white nationalists,[14] neo-Nazis,[15] Klansmen,[16] and various right-wing militias.[17] The marchers chanted racist and antisemitic slogans, carried weapons, Nazi and neo-Nazi symbols, the Valknut, Confederate battle flags, Deus Vult crosses, flags and other symbols of various past and present anti-Muslim and antisemitic groups.[8][9][18][19][20][21][22] The organizers' stated goals included unifying the American white nationalist movement[11] and opposing proposed removal of the statue of General Robert E. Lee from Charlottesville's former Lee Park.[21][23]"
Unite the Right rally - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
there were no good people on that side.
Definition of fascism;
Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.
Mr. Friscus
Governor
You're not getting it.Nope.
The entire "Unite the Right" rally was organized by alt right Nazis and included speakers like Richard Spencer.
"The Unite the Right rally[4] was a white supremacist and neo-Nazi[5][6][7][8] rally that was conducted in Charlottesville, Virginia, from August 11 to 12, 2017.[9][10] Protesters were members of the far-right and included self-identified members of the alt-right,[11] neo-Confederates,[12] neo-fascists,[13] white nationalists,[14] neo-Nazis,[15] Klansmen,[16] and various right-wing militias.[17] The marchers chanted racist and antisemitic slogans, carried weapons, Nazi and neo-Nazi symbols, the Valknut, Confederate battle flags, Deus Vult crosses, flags and other symbols of various past and present anti-Muslim and antisemitic groups.[8][9][18][19][20][21][22] The organizers' stated goals included unifying the American white nationalist movement[11] and opposing proposed removal of the statue of General Robert E. Lee from Charlottesville's former Lee Park.[21][23]"
Unite the Right rally - Wikipedia
there were no good people on that side.
"Unite the Right" was indeed no good people.
But they weren't the protest Trump was referring to. There were 2 separate protests.. a legit one, and then the "Unite the Right" one that crashed the party.
Do you comprehend this?
Mr. Friscus
Governor
Where did you get THAT definition?
Here is Merriam Webster.
Definition of fascism
1 a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
No mention of "Right wing". I think you added that in there. LOL
No. First of all because it isn't true.
Secondly, any good people who were there to peacefully protest would have left in shame or switched sides as soon as they saw all the Nazi flags and klansmen.
