Raoul_Luke
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Thank you Captain obvious. I'm afraid I have bad news for you - none of that renders Joe Biden above reproach.
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Raoul_Luke
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Sure, but was Trump even peripherally involved? Where did I say those events couldn't or shouldn't be investigated? All I am saying is none of it was a reason to investigate Trump.
Bugsy McGurk
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Nah, the Trumpies rampant lying, obstruction and non-cooperation didn’t completely hide the truth. For example:
Raoul_Luke
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That's what the investigation is for. Hearsay was plenty for you to support an investigation of Trump.
Doesn't rise to the same level of suspicion. We have Hunter's business partner's testimony that their "business" was selling the Biden "brand." That's not exactly the same thing as the "Trump brand." Trump had a legitimate business behind his brand - what did the Biden's have behind theirs (besides Joe's political influence)?
I know what they are. The simple transfer of money isn't in and of itself "suspicious." But when it is coming from a politically connected foreigner to a politically connected American, every time it occurs is "suspicious."
I responded to this:
Trump is the single most investigated and prosecuted POTUS in history.
and wrote nothing at all about Biden being above reproach.
EatTheRich
President
The FBI was investigating the hacking. That investigation LED to Trump.
EatTheRich
President
Trump had a "legitimate business"? The mob connections and reliance on Russian money to cover the cost of his massive business failures suggest otherwise.
Really? Hearsay? The Russians put a lot of effort into the 2016 election, including the DNC hack and hundreds of social media posts....Who benefited? The Trump campaign.
Actually the investigation was into various members of the Trump campaign...Flynn, Manafort, Carter Page, Papadopoulos....
$3 million per year from a friend of Erdogan and for what? To put his name on a building....Hunter gets money from Burisma so they can put the Biden name on their board of directors. One is suspicious and the other is not...to you.
In fact, Trump got a lot of Kurds killed to keep getting that money from Turkey. He also interfered in a court case against a bank connected to Erdogan.
Trump Corruptly Meddled With Probe Into Crimes by Bank in Turkey
Trump Corruptly Meddled With Investigation Into Turkish Bank (nymag.com)
What was President Donald Trump thinking when he abruptly announced that he had agreed to reverse years of US policy in Syria and withdraw American forces, clearing the way for Turkey to launch an attack on what had been loyal US allies, handing a long-sought victory to America’s foes, including Iran and Russia
We need the real story of why Trump sold out the Kurds | CNN
I already posted a link to the money from the widow of Moscow's mayor..that bought office buildings, among other real estate investments for her.
Hunter and Archer acted as brokers for a number of other investors...It was not as though the money simply went into their pockets...Archer's testimony detailed quite a lot of work they did for Burisma.
Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Regardless, you serually argue against any investigation into the Bidens.
Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
A hack and "hundreds of social media posts?" You don't say. Exactly how did Trump "benefit" from them? Facebook said the posts were largely unseen.
I have already said I am fine with Trump's decision on US policy in Syria being investigated. You are correct - it has the appearance of corruption.
Archer has also testified that he and Hunter were on Burisma's board to get Shokin off Zlochevsky's back. "Son of a bitch, he got fired." But to you that sounds as pure as the driven snow. You have a lot of nerve saying YOU are the one pointing out "hypocrisy" here.
"Son of bitch, he got fired" means what?
Where did Archer say that he and Hunter were hired to get Shokin off Burisma's back? It might help if you'd pay attention to details....Shokin was appointed prosecutor in 2015. Hunter and Archer were hired in 2014.
If someone plans a bank robbery and fails to actually rob the bank...was there still a crime? You seem to think because Russia failed to change a vote that it should be ignored. There was still a crime. Was there any encouragement to commit that crime? That would be collusion and one could make the case that the change in RNC policy from providing weapons to Ukraine could be considered encouragement. That is not a crime. If there had actually been communication to the point of saying "if you do this then we'll do that" is conspiracy...and that is a crime. Hence, the investigation. Clearly Russia did act to help Trump.
My point is that there was a crime in hacking the DNC and various election systems.
What crime is there in evidence related to anything the Bidens have done?
I have not "serually" argued against "any" investigation. Only the current crap being pushed by Mar-a-lardo republican congressmen and senators.
I looked at the NYPost article and found little to nothing to consider to be a crime...."Big Guy" meant what? Joe was a private citizen when that was written and was not even included in the email chain...nonetheless there was no inclusion of Joe Biden in the incorporation.
Want to investigate why Yelena Baturina isn't on the sanctions list? Go ahead. Find any evidence of a criminal or unethical act. So far I've seen nothing and the idea that it is ok to use these investigations to gain political points does great damage
Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
No, not "just any" investigation - just any that involves the democrats in general or the Bidens in particular.
Of course not - when it comes to the Bidens, you see nothing but coherence, competence and chastity. LOL! Because you are a hack.
Yeah, why is she like the sole wealthy Russian who isn't on the sanctions list? It' sure is good to be a friend of the Bidens. You've "seen nothing?" Yeah I know, that's your mantra:
I See Nothing - Sgt Schultz - YouTube
Maybe you guys should have thought about that before you went along with Hillary's framing of Trump for "Russian collusion."
Right...Hillary called dozens of meetings between Trump campaign folks, sent Page to Moscow, sent Flynn to have dinner with Putin and arranges for DNC email to be dropped off with Assange...
Is there a crime Jordan or Comer are investigating? This is much like the 8 or 9 Benghazi investgations...just going for points...that is all.
Raoul_Luke
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None of it was illegal. It was Hillary's fabricated "evidence" that was used to suggest those "meetings" were suspicious. They, of course, were not.
What did Hillary have to do with crossfire? So the Russians hack election systems and the DNC and you think no investigation was needed?
EatTheRich
President
You think the Trump administration left her off the sanctions list as a favor to Biden?
Meanwhile, the phone calls to or from Joe Biden were suspicious. Money paid to Hunter and Jim Biden were suspicious. Shokin being fired for being a corrupt POS was suspicious.
1. There was nothing related to Hillary that caused the FBI to open the Crossfire investigation.
2. The nearly 100 contacts with Russian diplomats, officials and pals of Putin's were suspicious when taken into consideration with the indisputable effort of the Russians to tip the election to Trump were not illegal, but were suspicious.
You make the point that the Russians probably did not change a single vote. The point I made is that they tried....and it was necessary for us to know if they were encouraged by the Trump campaign...
The truth is that sanctions started under Obama after the 2014 Russian invasion of Crimea and their involvement in the Donbas fighting. Successive sanctions have not included a number of wealthy Russians....even some with clear links to Putin and his kleptocracy....but not including all wealthy Russians.
It would be interesting to see a list of who is on the sanctions list and who isn't.
Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Yep. What was the Biden "brand" that Archer testified they were selling? It certainly wasn't competence, or intelligence or certainly not clear headed strategy, unless perhaps on how to get your hands on other people's money. So yeah, people paying those bozos millions is as suspicious as hell.
Sure there was - the "dossier" was used to sustain the operation (and likely factored into its genesis).
At the height of the Russia-collusion hysteria, anyone who theorized that Crossfire Hurricane had been sparked by the Steele dossier — a document paid for by the political party running against target of the investigation — would be rigorously fact-checked.
Mainstream reporters covering the story would authoritatively inform their audience that it was evidence gleaned from a conversation with then-20-something former Trump adviser George Papadopoulos that had triggered the investigation. They knew, of course, that if the FBI had relied principally on the dossier, the investigation would look transparently and problematically partisan. The Papadopoulos conversations, on the other hand, sounded pretty damning, even though journalists didn’t know exactly what they entailed.
Well, DOJ inspector general Michael Horowitz recently told the Senate that those FISA warrants used to spy on the Trump campaign were “entirely” predicated on information from that dossier. And we now know that virtually every one of those applications to spy on American citizens was rife with errors, misleading information, and “fraudulent” evidence. You know, just some endemic, comprehensive, and highly targeted “sloppiness.”
Steele Dossier: Crossfire Hurricane was Completely Shady | National Review
That you so prolifically gaslight on this issue despite repeatedly having been set straight is unbelievable. It's like you think your only audience is the mainstream media morons (who got it so wrong for so long that it is laughable) that you consistently use as a basis for your wild eyed conspiracy theories.
What exactly did the "Russians" do that was supposedly an effort to "help Trump" (as opposed to just sowing dissention)? List them here please, so I can systematically destroy them one by one.
