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Meanwhile, back at the war...

RickWA

Snagglesooth
The expansionist logic of Russia’s imperialist aims (and the occupation of Crimea and much of the Donbas) never ceased. What changed was that Russia’s strategy temporarily shifted from military offensives against Ukraine to intelligence offensives to take advantage of the unprecedented (since the 1940s with the Soviets) support for Russia in the U.S. and particularly at the top levels, thus laying the groundwork for an offensive that would be launched when the U.S. and its allies were at their weakest (when Russia no longer could count on its dupe in the White House to continue making the U.S. weaker and weaker) … an offensive on a scale that would have been impossible in Obama’s time, before 4 years of Trumpism substantially altered the balance of power in Russia’s favor.
In other words, “yes…Russia invaded it’s neighbors under two Democratic regimes and paused it during the intervening non-Democratic regime…but I got the DNC’s back on dis”.

Propaganda.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Russia also has to worry about the imminent possibility of new fronts being opened in Georgia, Moldova, Chechnya, Ingushetia, Dagestan, the Tambov, Siberia, etc., by nations and classes oppressed by Moscow and seeking to take advantage of its weakness.
true, but each in turn has minute military capability...
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
I see the DNC Press Secretary is back at it. Russian expansionism under Obama (Democrat)…pauses under Trump (non-Democrat)…explodes again under Biden (Democrat). Nice work, Mr. Secretary.
My bet is that Putin figured Trump would have won re-election and disbanded NATO by now...
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
In other words, “yes…Russia invaded it’s neighbors under two Democratic regimes and paused it during the intervening non-Democratic regime…but I got the DNC’s back on dis”.

Propaganda.
Yeah, let's not talk about the Russian war with Georgia in 2008 or the fact that fighting in Donbas continued from 2014 to 2022....14,000 dead...but Trump made everybody play nice...right?
 

EatTheRich

President
In other words, “yes…Russia invaded it’s neighbors under two Democratic regimes and paused it during the intervening non-Democratic regime…but I got the DNC’s back on dis”.

Propaganda.
That Putin felt he could just kick back and relax throughout the Trump administration is quite telling. Which benefits him more, spending a bunch of money to fight a war of attrition in Ukraine, or spending next to no money to have his proxies deliver crippling blows to the U.S.?
 

EatTheRich

President
only those that served have blood/sweat/tears invested
My buddy lost 3 fingers working in the sawmill, you gonna tell me he didn’t give his blood and tears to make Wall Street rich just like those who serve them in their military?
 
Ukraine could have all the troops it could need just by organizing Russian dissidents. The first step to making that a realistic possibility is breaking up the nationalist/fascist militia and putting their members in dispersed units under regular command.
Zelensky tried something similar in Zolote four years ago trying to implement the Minsk agreements, and the fascists refused to cooperate; what makes you think they would respond differently today?
"It started as an argument. On Oct. 26, President Volodymyr Zelensky locked horns with war veterans in the front-line town of Zolote in Luhansk Oblast. The president was pushing a mutual disengagement."

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/6652
 
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Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Just a few years ago we watched Russia and its Syrian allies double-cross and massacre Syrian civilians who were given essentially the same promises. Only a complete moron would let Russia repeat the same tactic and mass-murder its way to breathing space it desperately needs before its badly undersupplied forces start mutinying.
Maybe, maybe not.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
A counteroffensive would be nice if feasible, but Ukraine can easily still win by withstanding Russia’s attack until Russia runs out of ammunition and political capital. NATO expansion was pursued in the time of Clinton/Bush and early in the Obama administration—not so much since—as a means of attacking socialism in E. Europe and Russia, and facilitating its replacement by triumphally capitalist regimes like Putin’s. But when Russia invaded Ukraine, it had borders with 4 NATO members, of which Ukraine was not one, and was the object of no serious plans to make it one. NATO has certainly been revitalized by Putin’s invasion, but it played much less role in starting the war than Russia’s internal political crisis (and the accompanying threat of imminent socialist restoration if the populace is allowed a moment’s peace to regroup from the interns class war of which Putin’s external wars are extensions) and the desire to press the temporary advantage gained by Trump steering the U.S. and its allies into a ditch.
Reports are Russia can keep going another two years with their current armament supplies.

If you are saying Trump put a pause on the urge to expand NATO, which corresponds with the time period that Putin left Ukraine alone, then yes, you are correct.

NATO will be dead after this war - few of the NATO nations people will be left with an appetite for moar war...
 

EatTheRich

President
Zelensky tried something similar in Zolote four years ago trying to implement the Minsk agreements, and the fascists refused to cooperate; what makes you think they would respond differently today?
"It started as an argument. On Oct. 26, President Volodymyr Zelensky locked horns with war veterans in the front-line town of Zolote in Luhansk Oblast. The president was pushing a mutual disengagement."

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/6652
Well, they need ammunition and other supplies. And that’s where we can help, by insisting that any U.S. aid go only to the Ukrainian government and not to irregulars.
 
Well, they need ammunition and other supplies. And that’s where we can help, by insisting that any U.S. aid go only to the Ukrainian government and not to irregulars.
I'm reading conflicting reports claiming both sides will run out of ammunition by summer; hopefully a ceasefire comes into effect before then?
 
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