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Moscow, Tehran Advance Plans for Iranian-Designed Drone Facility in Russia

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan

One of the very few correct moves that Donald Trump did while President was to cancel the nuclear treaty with Iran. Iran has been a blind spot for the Democrats for years. For some reason almost all Democrats believe that we can have normalized relations with the current leaders in Iran. This is just abject stupidity. Iran has been our enemy since the Shah was overthrown. Far from trying to make peace with them we should be doing everything in our power to remove the religious nutcases that run the country. (As a side note the democrats would be well served to do the same to the religious nutcases that run the GOP here in America)

Now we have the Iranians causing more trouble by supplying drones to Russia to be used to attack our allies. And what do you think Joe Biden will do about it? I'll tell you - exactly nothing. In fact it would come as no surprise to find out that Biden is actively working to restore a nuclear agreement with these terrorists that they have no intention of keeping.

Well - Joe - Whatcha gonna do?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member

One of the very few correct moves that Donald Trump did while President was to cancel the nuclear treaty with Iran. Iran has been a blind spot for the Democrats for years. For some reason almost all Democrats believe that we can have normalized relations with the current leaders in Iran. This is just abject stupidity. Iran has been our enemy since the Shah was overthrown. Far from trying to make peace with them we should be doing everything in our power to remove the religious nutcases that run the country. (As a side note the democrats would be well served to do the same to the religious nutcases that run the GOP here in America)

Now we have the Iranians causing more trouble by supplying drones to Russia to be used to attack our allies. And what do you think Joe Biden will do about it? I'll tell you - exactly nothing. In fact it would come as no surprise to find out that Biden is actively working to restore a nuclear agreement with these terrorists that they have no intention of keeping.

Well - Joe - Whatcha gonna do?
We meddled in Iranian government when we helped overthrow the government of Masaddeq in 1953. The Shaw and Savak ruled Iran with undisguised brutality. Iranians held a grudge. We expect that they'll just forgive and forget. We kept the Shah in power until 1979. Did we ever apologize? Nah. Did we have a chance to have a normal relationship? Yes. We released their money from accounts frozen since 1980.

We had a far better chance to see a normal democratic government in Iran after the nuclear deal than we did after it was canceled. Assassinating Iran's general in Baghdad didn't help.

The Mullahs have used fear of the US to stay in power for 40 years.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President

One of the very few correct moves that Donald Trump did while President was to cancel the nuclear treaty with Iran. Iran has been a blind spot for the Democrats for years. For some reason almost all Democrats believe that we can have normalized relations with the current leaders in Iran. This is just abject stupidity. Iran has been our enemy since the Shah was overthrown. Far from trying to make peace with them we should be doing everything in our power to remove the religious nutcases that run the country. (As a side note the democrats would be well served to do the same to the religious nutcases that run the GOP here in America)

Now we have the Iranians causing more trouble by supplying drones to Russia to be used to attack our allies. And what do you think Joe Biden will do about it? I'll tell you - exactly nothing. In fact it would come as no surprise to find out that Biden is actively working to restore a nuclear agreement with these terrorists that they have no intention of keeping.

Well - Joe - Whatcha gonna do?
Tearing up the Iran deal was a “correct move” by Trump? You like the results, do you?

Blimey.
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
Tearing up the Iran deal was a “correct move” by Trump? You like the results, do you?

Blimey.
Tearing up the Iran deal was exactyl the right move. We should be taking a far more aggressive stance towards these terrorists not negotiating with them.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Tearing up the Iran deal was exactyl the right move. We should be taking a far more aggressive stance towards these terrorists not negotiating with them.
Trump had the opportunity to negotate additional measures...instead he tore it up and now Iran is much closer to having a nuclear weapon and has resumed a hostile stance that he had the chance to make them less of an enemy.

The Mullah's use fear of the US as a weapon to stay in power. Trump made it worse.
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
Trump had the opportunity to negotate additional measures...instead he tore it up and now Iran is much closer to having a nuclear weapon and has resumed a hostile stance that he had the chance to make them less of an enemy.

The Mullah's use fear of the US as a weapon to stay in power. Trump made it worse.
Bullsh!t - Iran has been our enemy for ages and any time we loosen things up it helps them develop their nukes faster. We should be encouraging Israel to do even more to attack their nuke facilities. That deal with the centrifuges a few years back was great. It set them back years. We need more of that and less of the Neville Chamberlain crap.

Get it through your head - these people are our enemies - what part of "Death to America" don't you understand?
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Tearing up the Iran deal was exactyl the right move. We should be taking a far more aggressive stance towards these terrorists not negotiating with them.
Let’s review the consequences of Trump tearing up the Iran deal…

1. Iran has dramatically increased its nuke activities and now has enough enriched uranium for multiple nuclear weapons.

2. Having been completely ostracized, Iran formed a strategic alliance with Russia.

3. Iran has supplied Russia with hundreds of armed drones being used to bomb Ukrainians.

4. Iran is cranking out even more armed drones and may soon be sending ballistic missiles to Russia to bomb even more Ukrainians.

“Exactly the right move,” you say, leading sane people to shake their heads in dismay.
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
Let’s review the consequences of Trump tearing up the Iran deal…

1. Iran has dramatically increased its nuke activities and now has enough enriched uranium for multiple nuclear weapons.

2. Having been completely ostracized, Iran formed a strategic alliance with Russia.

3. Iran has supplied Russia with hundreds of armed drones being used to bomb Ukrainians.

4. Iran is cranking out even more armed drones and may soon be sending ballistic missiles to Russia to bomb even more Ukrainians.

“Exactly the right move,” you say, leading sane people to shake their heads in dismay.
Iran was doing exactly that while the agreement was in place.

Are you having trouble understanding "Death to America"?

Stop with the Neville Chamberlain crap - it didn't work then, it won't work now.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Iran was doing exactly that while the agreement was in place.

Are you having trouble understanding "Death to America"?

Stop with the Neville Chamberlain crap - it didn't work then, it won't work now.
Nonsense. Reining in Iran’s nuclear program and providing them with incentives to fully join the responsible international community was in our national interest, and Trump’s idiocy brought that to a screeching halt. You think the results are favorable, which is lunacy.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Bullsh!t - Iran has been our enemy for ages and any time we loosen things up it helps them develop their nukes faster. We should be encouraging Israel to do even more to attack their nuke facilities. That deal with the centrifuges a few years back was great. It set them back years. We need more of that and less of the Neville Chamberlain crap.

Get it through your head - these people are our enemies - what part of "Death to America" don't you understand?
Feel free to produce facts to back you up. Our CIA overturned their elected government in 1953 to preserve ownership of Iranian oil. We put the Shah back in power and kept him there from 1953 to 1979. Look up SAVAK. His reign was brutal.

Do you know anyone from Iran? I do. Their memory of those years is how the mullahs stay in power....fear of the US.

The nuclear deal was signed by our closest allies. Trump threw them under the bus by canceling it, rather than making it stronger. All credible sources state that Iran was in compliance. They surrendered a huge amount of fissile material. They crippled their only reactor capable of enriching plutonium. They dismantled thousands of centrifuges.

We had inspections from a team making sure they had not restarted enrichment. Now we don't.
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
Nonsense. Reining in Iran’s nuclear program and providing them with incentives to fully join the responsible international community was in our national interest, and Trump’s idiocy brought that to a screeching halt. You think the results are favorable, which is lunacy.
And they never did it. Iran is a pariah nation and should be treated as such.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
And they never did it. Iran is a pariah nation and should be treated as such.
You don't seem to see that treating them as an enemy nation is exactly why the Mullahs tell the Iranian people they need nukes.

We had a chance to lessen the hostility and Trump crushed the chance....unlike his love affair with Kim Jong Un...which suspended military training with the South Korean military and got nothing in return.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
They never did halt their nuclear program.
They surrendered a huge amount of enriched uranium.
They dismantled thousands of centrifuges, making it harder for them to enrich fissile material in a quantity needed for a bomb.
They reengineered the only reactor they had capable of producing enriched plutonium.
They agreed to inspections that would have detected any attempt to enrich fissile material in quantities needed for a bomb.

But thanks to this nuclear deal, Iran must reduce its stockpile of uranium by 98%, and will keep its level of uranium enrichment at 3.67% — significantly below the enrichment level needed to create a bomb. Iran also needs tens of thousands of centrifuges to create highly enriched uranium for a bomb.


And now? How did it work out for Trump to trash the agreement?

Iran enriching ‘worrying quantities’ of uranium, in further blow for nuclear deal
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
You don't seem to see that treating them as an enemy nation is exactly why the Mullahs tell the Iranian people they need nukes.

We had a chance to lessen the hostility and Trump crushed the chance....unlike his love affair with Kim Jong Un...which suspended military training with the South Korean military and got nothing in return.
Sorry Neville - it don't work negotiating with terrorists.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Sorry Neville - it don't work negotiating with terrorists.
It didn't work with Hitler because Chamberlain got nothing in return. The nuclear deal with Iran was a limit on their nuclear program. Killing that deal threw our allies under the bus and let the Iranians move ahead with their bomb. Now we have nothing to use for leverage and we have told the world that signing deals with the US is a waste of time.
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
It didn't work with Hitler because Chamberlain got nothing in return. The nuclear deal with Iran was a limit on their nuclear program. Killing that deal threw our allies under the bus and let the Iranians move ahead with their bomb. Now we have nothing to use for leverage and we have told the world that signing deals with the US is a waste of time.
It was a shitty deal. When it was originally made I supported it only after Colin Powell came out in favor of it. He believed in America even though he was a republican. But he was wrong on it. It meant nothing to the terrorists. They claimed to have complied but they still refused inspectors and critical times along the way.

Colin Powell was wrong - it was a bad deal and we should give ZERO ground to these people. They are our enemies.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
It was a shitty deal. When it was originally made I supported it only after Colin Powell came out in favor of it. He believed in America even though he was a republican. But he was wrong on it. It meant nothing to the terrorists. They claimed to have complied but they still refused inspectors and critical times along the way.

Colin Powell was wrong - it was a bad deal and we should give ZERO ground to these people. They are our enemies.
Think about all the nations that signed on to the deal. Everyone was wrong? You say they refused inspectors, but the inspectors said the Iranians were in compliance.
 
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