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No, that's not grooming.

EatTheRich

President
Biology determines who is male and who is female. The other way is mental illness. You may well be afflicted lifelong with the mental illness and it is worthy of compassion but not indulgence. You don't indulge mental illness. It makes it worse and may even promulgate it so that the affliction spreads to others.
The brain is a biological organ. Sometimes people’s brains don’t match up with their external genitalia. Their chromosomes might or might not correspond with one or the other. Transgender identity is to all indications a natural biological variation.
 

God of War

Lets go Brandon!
Are intersex people committing fraud if you assume they have vaginas when they really have the ambiguous genitalia they were born with? Or is that something you should find out before getting together if you really care that much?
A hermaphrodite is a genetic anomaly that is usually sterile and if someone is interested in procreation then the hermaphrodite should be honest about the time and effort someone would put into creating a relationship intended to be productive in terms of progeny.
 

Zijlstra

Council Member
Are intersex people committing fraud if you assume they have vaginas when they really have the ambiguous genitalia they were born with?
Yes
Or is that something you should find out before getting together if you really care that much?
Also yes.


Just like how a guy [Unwelcome language removed] an unconscious chick he finds at a party is a rapist and bitches shouldn't get black out drunk because it puts them in danger. Or how you shouldn't rob people and you should lock your car. Or people with HIV are murderers if they knowingly spread it to unsuspecting people and you should stop having unprotected butt sex with randos in bus stop bathrooms. Transes should stop being rapists and people should avoid putting themselves in risky situations.

Just because people should avoid putting themselves in danger doesn't mean predators are off the hook for their crimes.


Rape is bad and this should not need to be explained to you.
 

God of War

Lets go Brandon!
The brain is a biological organ. Sometimes people’s brains don’t match up with their external genitalia. Their chromosomes might or might not correspond with one or the other. Transgender identity is to all indications a natural biological variation.
The brain is a biological organ that when malfunctioning it often expesses mental illness. Your XY/XX chromosomes determine if you're male or female. Your brain is irrelevant when your chromosomes match your external genitalia.
 

EatTheRich

President
You know that a lot more people would be open about being trans if you allowed them to do so without fear of being discriminated against, vilified, or killed, right? You complain about people “tricking” you by not telling you they are trans but won’t let them come out.
 

EatTheRich

President
The brain is a biological organ that when malfunctioning it often expesses mental illness. Your XY/XX chromosomes determine if you're male or female. Your brain is irrelevant when your chromosomes match your external genitalia.
There are tens of thousands of people who are by all appearances male who have two X chromosomes … most of them don’t even know it. How would you classify them?
 

God of War

Lets go Brandon!
You know that a lot more people would be open about being trans if you allowed them to do so without fear of being discriminated against, vilified, or killed, right? You complain about people “tricking” you by not telling you they are trans but won’t let them come out.
Thats a valid point. Clearly education is needed for both trans and society at large. You'll need to facilitate compassion.
 

God of War

Lets go Brandon!
You've that exactly backward when it comes to the terminology. By definition, a trans man is a woman who wishes to cross over and be perceived or treated as a man. They would arguably be more accurately described by the prefix crypto- or pseudo- than trans-, but the lexicon is what it is and if you want to understand and be understood in these discussions you need to understand the established lexicon.
Common usage back in the day was to say transsexual to denote someone who was interested in becoming the opposite sex (pre- or post- operative were adjectives). When you said someone was a post-op transsexual male you were referring to a man who had undergone surgery to become female. You didn't succumb to the notion that they in fact had changed their sex just to please their mental illness. It would be like charging insurance to do a pap smear test on a delusional patient. No good. Simple pandering to a mental illness that could confuse good and appropriate medical care.

They changed it and got away with it.
 

God of War

Lets go Brandon!

EatTheRich

President
Better source than yours. And still you're not making a point. What do you think your point is?

The point is that if you define sex by chromosomal sex you will have many women appearing to be men and therefore (according to you) “raping” people who recognize them as men and want to be with them.
 

Colorforms

Senator
N

No. That is what you are doing. I am listing the definitive attributes common to every fascist movement, and categorizing ideological perspectives by whether they reflect the aimed for or realized violent mass movement sharing these principles.
Ah, so what YOU get in your categorization is that if you believe in biology, love your country, and don't like people being forced into unions they don't want to be in, then you're a fascist. And you're posting this while on drugs I hope?
 

God of War

Lets go Brandon!
The point is that if you define sex by chromosomal sex you will have many women appearing to be men and therefore (according to you) “raping” people who recognize them as men and want to be with them.
Raping isn't my thing to talk about. That's the other guy.

This genetic anomaly to which I spoke about already in an analog to hermaphrodites is neither here nor there in this debate about grooming school aged children.
 

EatTheRich

President
Ah, so what YOU get in your categorization is that if you believe in biology, love your country, and don't like people being forced into unions they don't want to be in, then you're a fascist. And you're posting this while on drugs I hope?
Since fascism is an idealist philosophy, you tend to get a lot of science deniers within its ranks. This can’t be considered definitive because the links to this or that tendency of science denial vary greatly in the dialectic between the ideological needs of the bourgeoisie and particularly their transmission belts in the ultrarightist/fascist ranks, and the material needs of the bourgeoisie which often require some acknowledgement of science. Those who are science deniers, though, often gaslight by accusing their opposition of not believing in basic sciences.

Not all nationalists are fascists, but nationalism gives rise to fascism, and all fascists are nationalists.

Fascists love forcing people into unions they don’t want to be in. What they hate are genuine working-class unions.

And, no, not every science-denying nationalist union-buster is a fascist. Fascists are those who join mass movements aimed at taking state power by organizing a mob strong enough to reckon with the working class so when right-wing middle-class layers become disillusioned with the liberal elites the fascists can get power themselves through a bloc with elite conservatives.
 

EatTheRich

President
Raping isn't my thing to talk about. That's the other guy.

This genetic anomaly to which I spoke about already in an analog to hermaphrodites is neither here nor there in this debate about grooming school aged children.
No one is debating that. What we are debating is the completely unfounded libel that trans people are doing that.
 

EatTheRich

President
Ah, so what YOU get in your categorization is that if you believe in biology, love your country, and don't like people being forced into unions they don't want to be in, then you're a fascist. And you're posting this while on drugs I hope?
And hell yeah I’m on drugs (legal in my state). What’s your excuse?
 

EatTheRich

President
It was in the curriculum. It was stopped. You say it wasn't in the curriculum, fine. But why complain about the law then?
What was in the curriculum? What law? The “don’t say gay” law? It is not “grooming” to allow kids to learn the truth about the variety of human beings they are likely to encounter in everyday life.
 
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