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No votes counted yet, but Elder knows there is fraud

Elder is claiming that statistical analysis shows fraud in the recall election, but based on what? They haven't even counted ballots.


This is just what was predicted. Now that Trump has established that the loser should stomp his feet and whine that the other side cheated...we will never have an election that is accepted by the party of the loser...
 

bdtex

Administrator
Staff member
Elder is claiming that statistical analysis shows fraud in the recall election, but based on what? They haven't even counted ballots.


This is just what was predicted. Now that Trump has established that the loser should stomp his feet and whine that the other side cheated...we will never have an election that is accepted by the party of the loser...
He comes from the Trump school of losing.
 
More and more losers signing up every day. I expect Trump will start claiming election fraud in 2024 any day now...because he will lose by even more than the 3 million in 2016 and the 7 million in 2020. Should be about 10 million next time.
the infestation of Democrats is getting so bad someone is bound to fumigate sooner or later. And it will probably be a Democrat who does it.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
the infestation of Democrats is getting so bad someone is bound to fumigate sooner or later. And it will probably be a Democrat who does it.
Looks like the rats aboard SS Trump are already leaving...that last Trump event only drew 300 attendees after having been planned for 10,000. Yeah, I know...Trump wasn't there..but you do know there have been dozens of pro-Trump rallies without Trump speaking and all through 2020 his surrogates drew large crowds..right?
 
Looks like the rats aboard SS Trump are already leaving...that last Trump event only drew 300 attendees after having been planned for 10,000. Yeah, I know...Trump wasn't there..but you do know there have been dozens of pro-Trump rallies without Trump speaking and all through 2020 his surrogates drew large crowds..right?
Nothing has set Trump up more for a second term than what was done to him in his first and the show Biden is putting on now. Trump or his equivalent ideologue in 2024. We need an uncompromising Republican to stop the slide and reverse it. just to fix the f'n border once and for all.
 

sensible don

Governor
Supporting Member
Nothing has set Trump up more for a second term than what was done to him in his first and the show Biden is putting on now. Trump or his equivalent ideologue in 2024. We need an uncompromising Republican to stop the slide and reverse it. just to fix the f'n border once and for all.
So you admit the greatest loser failed at fixing the border, so glad we have that out there ( face meet wall ) I mean they are just walking around it or waiting on it to fall down LMFAO

Hey EVERY right winger that loses will cry voter fraud . the snowflakes are truly the leaders now in greatest loser world.

Hey, so glad the kiss of death worked again in CALI - if it is brown flush it down !
 
So you admit the greatest loser failed at fixing the border, so glad we have that out there ( face meet wall ) I mean they are just walking around it or waiting on it to fall down LMFAO

Hey EVERY right winger that loses will cry voter fraud . the snowflakes are truly the leaders now in greatest loser world.

Hey, so glad the kiss of death worked again in CALI - if it is brown flush it down !
Democrats stole the last election as has been proven already. Forensic audits will most likely simply be the last nail.
 
and yes you admit the greatest loser failed on his ego wall, got it - you had your chance to rebutte..................thanks !
The borders were under control until Dementia Democrat Joe showed up.

A STOLEN ELECTION!
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
My thoughts on voter fraud:

In order to believe voter fraud does not exist, you must believe at least one of the following two absurd premises:

1) That there is not at least one single soul, given the opportunity, would try to steal an election, or

2) The systems in place are so perfect that they will detect each and every instance of attempted voter fraud.

Assuming most reasonable people will reject both of those notions, the obvious conclusion is that there is at least some voter fraud going on, likely in every election.

It then becomes a matter of degree - How much occurs, how much goes undetected, and whether or not it may, in some instance, tip the outcome of the election.

The key word there being undetected - The very nature of the word means we don't know. And as someone once said, "What you don't know, you don't know".

So, we sort of take it on faith that they'll get the count right. Hopefully, that faith is well-founded.

This logic may ruffle some feathers - People like to believe they know with certainty. Some will insist the "know" that their candidate was cheated when they lose. Some will insist they "know" the election was entirely legitimate when their candidate wins. The truth is, no matter what they insist, no matter what the believe they know, they don't really know. Indeed, how could they possibly know? We rely on the reporting of others, trusting in both their collective skills and integrity. Trust.

And trust is different than knowing.

Now, let's return to blasting whomever it is we wish to blast at this time. Pardon the interruption.
 
My thoughts on voter fraud:

In order to believe voter fraud does not exist, you must believe at least one of the following two absurd premises:

1) That there is not at least one single soul, given the opportunity, would try to steal an election, or

2) The systems in place are so perfect that they will detect each and every instance of attempted voter fraud.

Assuming most reasonable people will reject both of those notions, the obvious conclusion is that there is at least some voter fraud going on, likely in every election.

It then becomes a matter of degree - How much occurs, how much goes undetected, and whether or not it may, in some instance, tip the outcome of the election.

The key word there being undetected - The very nature of the word means we don't know. And as someone once said, "What you don't know, you don't know".

So, we sort of take it on faith that they'll get the count right. Hopefully, that faith is well-founded.

This logic may ruffle some feathers - People like to believe they know with certainty. Some will insist the "know" that their candidate was cheated when they lose. Some will insist they "know" the election was entirely legitimate when their candidate wins. The truth is, no matter what they insist, no matter what the believe they know, they don't really know. Indeed, how could they possibly know? We rely on the reporting of others, trusting in both their collective skills and integrity. Trust.

And trust is different than knowing.

Now, let's return to blasting whomever it is we wish to blast at this time. Pardon the interruption.
This is not about voter fraud (individual corruption). That is small potatoes. This is about ELECTION fraud (systemic corruption). Two different things really.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
My thoughts on voter fraud:

In order to believe voter fraud does not exist, you must believe at least one of the following two absurd premises:

1) That there is not at least one single soul, given the opportunity, would try to steal an election, or

2) The systems in place are so perfect that they will detect each and every instance of attempted voter fraud.

Assuming most reasonable people will reject both of those notions, the obvious conclusion is that there is at least some voter fraud going on, likely in every election.

It then becomes a matter of degree - How much occurs, how much goes undetected, and whether or not it may, in some instance, tip the outcome of the election.

The key word there being undetected - The very nature of the word means we don't know. And as someone once said, "What you don't know, you don't know".

So, we sort of take it on faith that they'll get the count right. Hopefully, that faith is well-founded.

This logic may ruffle some feathers - People like to believe they know with certainty. Some will insist the "know" that their candidate was cheated when they lose. Some will insist they "know" the election was entirely legitimate when their candidate wins. The truth is, no matter what they insist, no matter what the believe they know, they don't really know. Indeed, how could they possibly know? We rely on the reporting of others, trusting in both their collective skills and integrity. Trust.

And trust is different than knowing.

Now, let's return to blasting whomever it is we wish to blast at this time. Pardon the interruption.
It isn't simply a matter of trust. There are systems in place that clearly do prevent substantial fraud. Something like 200 instances have been found and a handful of people have already been prosecuted. 200 out of 150 million votes.

The systems are set up to detect instances of fraud. We have been electing our president for 200 years and Trump is the first whiny POS to claim he won and the election was stolen...even though his own AG says there was no evidence of substantial fraud...certainly not enough to change the outcome. Trump's own director of Cyber Security said there was no evidence to support the accusation that election systems were hacked. So Trump fired him.

Trump called the GA secretary of state and demanded he find 11,000 votes to swing the election. Trumps legal team filed over 60 lawsuits and either lost or withdrew all of them. Even judges appointed by Trump tossed cases for not having any credible evidence...

Just thought I'd point those facts out.
 
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