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Outlook Sours. Going to get rough, I think.

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
No, I’m saying there would have been far fewer deaths if not for all the people Trump convinced not to follow medical and professional guidance, not to wear masks, to deliberately cough on those wearing masks as payback, etc.
sure. if you can prove it emanates from trump followers and trump followers alone, then sure. but you cant.

meanwhile...all manner of celebrity, sports stars, police, varied employees across the spectrum of services, women concerned with fertility effects, persons with health concerns....each out there with considerations and positions contrary togetting vaccinated..each and every influencing others. so no, not trump alone.

deliberately cough? pro and college games stack people in the ten of thousands on top of one another with nary a concern.... not just trump. a whole host of irresponsibility everywhere we turn.
 
It was relatively easy for me and everyone i know.. we simlpy followed medical and professional guidance and masked up, washed hands, etc.

are you saying you were depenent on trump to do so?
Good for you, but let's not pretend the president of united states isn't supposed to lead.
Trump's response to the pandemic was completely muddled with political pandering, conspiracy theories, and other such nonsense.
Trump wasn't telling to seek the advice of medical professionals, he was telling them about injecting bleach and hydrochloroquine. He made the Republican party never back down when they are wrong, while increasing the frequency of being in the wrong. It is the wrong mindset to have when we have to learn and adapt on the fly to a changing pandemic. Republicans will take hydrochloroquine or Ivercemtin out of stubborn pride while knowing full well that they don't work then admit they are wrong.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Good for you, but let's not pretend the president of united states isn't supposed to lead.
Trump's response to the pandemic was completely muddled with political pandering, conspiracy theories, and other such nonsense.
Trump wasn't telling to seek the advice of medical professionals, he was telling them about injecting bleach and hydrochloroquine. He made the Republican party never back down when they are wrong, while increasing the frequency of being in the wrong. It is the wrong mindset to have when we have to learn and adapt on the fly to a changing pandemic. Republicans will take hydrochloroquine or Ivercemtin out of stubborn pride while knowing full well that they don't work then admit they are wrong.
yes, correct. Trump's response was. and it continues today. notice the deaths. the recalcitrance on vaccination across the spectrumof political affiliation, etc..

..except he didnt say inject bleach. sad stuff the falsehoods you perpetuate... maybe youre a contributing factor?

..except he didnt make just the republican party notback down. both parties are ironclad in their opposition to one another. pretending otherwise is a flat out lie.

..except...hydrochloroquine does not work. it is not so clear on ivermectin, and there is literature supporting same. saying ivermectine is a horse medicine only..is a flat out lie.
 
yes, correct. Trump's response was. and it continues today. notice the deaths. the recalcitrance on vaccination across the spectrumof political affiliation, etc..

..except he didnt say inject bleach. sad stuff the falsehoods you perpetuate... maybe youre a contributing factor?

..except he didnt make just the republican party notback down. both parties are ironclad in their opposition to one another. pretending otherwise is a flat out lie.

..except...hydrochloroquine does not work. it is not so clear on ivermectin, and there is literature supporting same. saying ivermectine is a horse medicine only..is a flat out lie.
The entire conversation about bleach, hydrocholoquine, and ivermectin is not helpful to ending the pandemic.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
The entire conversation about bleach, hydrocholoquine, and ivermectin is not helpful to ending the pandemic.
i agree. but he never said inject yourself with bleach. that was the crazed carrying on.

they arent helpful to ending th pandemic either.
 

EatTheRich

President
sure. if you can prove it emanates from trump followers and trump followers alone, then sure. but you cant.

meanwhile...all manner of celebrity, sports stars, police, varied employees across the spectrum of services, women concerned with fertility effects, persons with health concerns....each out there with considerations and positions contrary togetting vaccinated..each and every influencing others. so no, not trump alone.

deliberately cough? pro and college games stack people in the ten of thousands on top of one another with nary a concern.... not just trump. a whole host of irresponsibility everywhere we turn.
The president used his bully pulpit to undermine doctors and epidemiologists for months. Whether others were also irresponsible doesn't change the fact that he should be held accountable.
 

EatTheRich

President
i agree. but he never said inject yourself with bleach. that was the crazed carrying on.

they arent helpful to ending th pandemic either.
He said doctors should look at injecting disinfectant. He didn't specifically say whether it should be bleach or some other disinfectant.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
The president used his bully pulpit to undermine doctors and epidemiologists for months. Whether others were also irresponsible doesn't change the fact that he should be held accountable.
yes. much like today....the media and others in their cast that it's only trumpers contributing to this mess...undermines cooperation and progress... and varied celebrities and sports figures..in their reluctance...undermines cooperation and progress.. and huge sports venues concentrating huge numbers of persons together....undermines cooperation and progress...


shouldnt all be held accountable? or just trump?


for that matter... i believe this administration now counts an equal if not greater number of deaths from covid under its belt, than the preceding.... shouldnt it now be held accountable??
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
He said doctors should look at injecting disinfectant. He didn't specifically say whether it should be bleach or some other disinfectant.
yes, that is correct. i would think in his idiocy he meant things like antibiotics, etc. i dunno. but....wasnt that idiocy amplified by the media and idiot companies like clorox...issuing idiocy too??
 

EatTheRich

President
yes, that is correct. i would think in his idiocy he meant things like antibiotics, etc. i dunno. but....wasnt that idiocy amplified by the media and idiot companies like clorox...issuing idiocy too??
Clorox HAD to issue warnings to keep people who took Trump’s statement at face value from medicating themselves.
yes. much like today....the media and others in their cast that it's only trumpers contributing to this mess...undermines cooperation and progress... and varied celebrities and sports figures..in their reluctance...undermines cooperation and progress.. and huge sports venues concentrating huge numbers of persons together....undermines cooperation and progress...


shouldnt all be held accountable? or just trump?


for that matter... i believe this administration now counts an equal if not greater number of deaths from covid under its belt, than the preceding.... shouldnt it now be held accountable??
Yes. Did you forget how this discussion began, with you saying it had been unfair to hold Trump accountable for not being able to work magic (the same way people now say Biden shouldn’t be held accountable for being unable to magically put the genie back into the bottle after Trump let it out)? When the fact is that with a minimally competent response by Trump the death toll would have been cut by a factor of 2 or 3.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Clorox HAD to issue warnings to keep people who took Trump’s statement at face value from medicating themselves.

Yes. Did you forget how this discussion began, with you saying it had been unfair to hold Trump accountable for not being able to work magic (the same way people now say Biden shouldn’t be held accountable for being unable to magically put the genie back into the bottle after Trump let it out)? When the fact is that with a minimally competent response by Trump the death toll would have been cut by a factor of 2 or 3.
no they didnt. they blew up a nonsensical statement and played it up as a factual directive to drink bleach. which as you know, was not said. alcohol is a disinfectant. so to hydrogen peroxide. all manner of cleaners...etc. each in turn did not turn to idiocy. clorox did.

why didnt they each in turn..HAVE to?

i know... because...Clorix and idiots therein and about..wanted to play a gotcha.
 

EatTheRich

President
no they didnt. they blew up a nonsensical statement and played it up as a factual directive to drink bleach. which as you know, was not said. alcohol is a disinfectant. so to hydrogen peroxide. all manner of cleaners...etc. each in turn did not turn to idiocy. clorox did.

why didnt they each in turn..HAVE to?

i know... because...Clorix and idiots therein and about..wanted to play a gotcha.
You know that people did poison themselves drinking hydrogen peroxide after the president’s statement, right?
 

RickWA

Senator
The entire conversation about bleach, hydrocholoquine, and ivermectin is not helpful to ending the pandemic.
Why do you need to intentionally and directly lie…in writing…when you discuss such things if those things are intrinsically “not helpful” in their own right? Answer THAT question. Why lie about it?
 
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