Menu
New Posts
By:
Filters
  • Hi there guest! Welcome to PoliticalJack.com. Register for free to join our community?

Poland..steps up? or Steps in? Fighters to Ukraine

georgephillip

georgephillip

Senator
middleview said:
So the invasions of Hungary in 1956, Czechoslovakia in 1968, Afghanistan in 1979 were all the fault of the USA? Putin's invasion of Ukraine was Biden's fault, right?
Click to expand...
Apparently, the CIA and Moscow were surprised by the Hungarian Revolution of 1956:

"Did a US-sponsored group play a part in the revolution?

"From the CS Histories, they did not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Hungary

"'Small psychological warfare and paramilitary units came into being in the early 1950s, (including the Hungarian National Council headed by Bela Varga), and occasional reconnaissance missions took place at that time, the prospects for penetrating into Hungary deteriorated by 1953 when stepped up controls by Hungarian security forces and `the meager talent available' among potential agents made cross-border operations essentially untenable."..'"

Since Czechoslovakia was a very significant supplier of arms and ammunition to the Viet Cong, "the idea of America helping Czechoslovakia reforms was out of question."

https://english.radio.cz/cia-and-czechoslovakia-8737747

Afghanistan was entirely different.
The US armed the most reactionary tribesmen it could find even before the USSR invaded in hopes of giving Moscow its Vietnam moment

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/01/07/history-trump-cia-was-arming-afghan-rebels-before-soviets-invaded/
 
middleview

middleview

President
Supporting Member
georgephillip said:
Apparently, the CIA and Moscow were surprised by the Hungarian Revolution of 1956:

"Did a US-sponsored group play a part in the revolution?

"From the CS Histories, they did not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Hungary

"'Small psychological warfare and paramilitary units came into being in the early 1950s, (including the Hungarian National Council headed by Bela Varga), and occasional reconnaissance missions took place at that time, the prospects for penetrating into Hungary deteriorated by 1953 when stepped up controls by Hungarian security forces and `the meager talent available' among potential agents made cross-border operations essentially untenable."..'"

Since Czechoslovakia was a very significant supplier of arms and ammunition to the Viet Cong, "the idea of America helping Czechoslovakia reforms was out of question."

https://english.radio.cz/cia-and-czechoslovakia-8737747

Afghanistan was entirely different.
The US armed the most reactionary tribesmen it could find even before the USSR invaded in hopes of giving Moscow its Vietnam moment

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/01/07/history-trump-cia-was-arming-afghan-rebels-before-soviets-invaded/
Click to expand...
1. So you agree that Moscow invaded those countries without any justification whatsoever...
2. "Reactionary Tribesmen"?

Carter signed two presidential findings permitting the CIA to spend $695,000 on non-military assistance (e.g., "cash, medical equipment, and radio transmitters") and on a propaganda campaign targeting the Soviet-backed leadership of the DRA, which (in the words of Steve Coll) "seemed at the time a small beginning."[13][4][5][3] By December 1979, Amin's government had lost control of much of Afghanistan, prompting the Soviet Union to invade the country, execute Amin, and install Parcham leader Babrak Karmal as president

en.wikipedia.org

Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
georgephillip

georgephillip

Senator
middleview said:
1. So you agree that Moscow invaded those countries without any justification whatsoever...
Click to expand...
Depends on how you regard the lynching of local politicians and police officers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Revolution_of_1956

"Consequently, Hungarians organized into revolutionary militias to fight against the ÁVH (State Protection Authority); local Hungarian communist leaders and ÁVH policemen were captured and summarily killed or lynched; and political prisoners were released and armed.

"To realize their political, economic, and social demands, local soviets (councils of workers) assumed control of municipal government from the Hungarian Working People's Party (Magyar Dolgozók Pártja).

"The new government of Imre Nagy disbanded the ÁVH, declared Hungary's withdrawal from the Warsaw Pact, and pledged to re-establish free elections."
 
middleview

middleview

President
Supporting Member
georgephillip said:
Depends on how you regard the lynching of local politicians and police officers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Revolution_of_1956

"Consequently, Hungarians organized into revolutionary militias to fight against the ÁVH (State Protection Authority); local Hungarian communist leaders and ÁVH policemen were captured and summarily killed or lynched; and political prisoners were released and armed.

"To realize their political, economic, and social demands, local soviets (councils of workers) assumed control of municipal government from the Hungarian Working People's Party (Magyar Dolgozók Pártja).

"The new government of Imre Nagy disbanded the ÁVH, declared Hungary's withdrawal from the Warsaw Pact, and pledged to re-establish free elections."
Click to expand...
That happened after AFH police shot into a crowd, killing a number of them.

Did that make it Moscow's business? If crime in Mexico pisses us off, should we invade?

Are you saying the actions of the regime in Baghdad justified the US invasion?
 
middleview

middleview

President
Supporting Member
georgephillip said:
Putin objected to Ukrainian Nazis murdering protestors and police officers in order to drive a duly elected president from office after US political elites supported the coup effort.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1483938953166163972
Click to expand...
Oleh Tyahnybok was the leader of a major political party in Ukraine. He met Biden on a visit to the White House in 2014. His party won about 20% of the vote in 2010.

Russia had no right to invade Ukraine....unless you are also in favor of the US invasion of Iraq, was right to help the Free Syrian Army and right to help Libyan rebels against Qaddafi.
 
georgephillip

georgephillip

Senator
middleview said:
Oleh Tyahnybok was the leader of a major political party in Ukraine. He met Biden on a visit to the White House in 2014. His party won about 20% of the vote in 2010.
Click to expand...
"Good guys" with a "D" behind their name can shake hands with Nazis without shame?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svoboda_(political_party)

Tyahnybok changed his party's name, but did little to alter its fealty to figures like Stepan Bandera:

"Although Tyahnybok expelled neofascist groups, Svoboda never abandoned ethnic ultranationalist views.

"The party gained increasing popularity in the late 2000s and early 2010s, winning 10.45% of the vote in the 2012 parliamentary election..."

"Svoboda's political position has been described as right-wing,[3][11][12] far-right.[13][14][15][16]

"Described as an ultranationalist,[17][4] right-wing populist party,[18][19] it expressed support and staged commemorations honoring early 20th century, Ukrainian far right nationalist leader Stepan Bandera, and it opposes immigration, globalism and free trade."
 
georgephillip

georgephillip

Senator
middleview said:
Russia had no right to invade Ukraine....unless you are also in favor of the US invasion of Iraq, was right to help the Free Syrian Army and right to help Libyan rebels against Qaddafi.
Click to expand...
Russia had every right to defend its western border from a hostile military alliance which had expanded its borders to the Russian periphery over the past thirty years.

The US was wrong to invade Iraq, support Free Syrian terrorists, and bring open air slave markets back to Libya.

https://thegrayzone.com/2020/02/21/turkey-us-protect-al-qaeda-in-idlib-and-worsen-syrias-suffering/
 
middleview

middleview

President
Supporting Member
georgephillip said:
Russia had every right to defend its western border from a hostile military alliance which had expanded its borders to the Russian periphery over the past thirty years.

The US was wrong to invade Iraq, support Free Syrian terrorists, and bring open air slave markets back to Libya.

https://thegrayzone.com/2020/02/21/turkey-us-protect-al-qaeda-in-idlib-and-worsen-syrias-suffering/
Click to expand...
And what hostile act had NATO done to threaten Russia? Nations joined NATO precisely because of Russian imperialism in invading other nations.
 
middleview

middleview

President
Supporting Member
georgephillip said:
Which entity expanded its borders between 1992 to 2022?
Click to expand...
Russia did in 2014.

NATO is not a country and has no borders, it has member states. Now, because Putin is a moron, more countries will join to insure partners to defend themselves if Russia attacks them. Finland and Sweden are next.

You seem to think countries have no right to join military alliances for joint defense. They wouldn't join if Russia were not a threat. Which members of NATO have at one time or another been occupied by Russian troops?

Poland, Solvakia, Czech republic, Hungary, part of Germany, Romania, Hungary....
 
georgephillip

georgephillip

Senator
middleview said:
NATO is not a country and has no borders, it has member states. Now, because Putin is a moron, more countries will join to insure partners to defend themselves if Russia attacks them. Finland and Sweden are next.
Click to expand...
Ukraine won't be among any new NATO states, and all the US puppets will be facing a Russian military orders of magnitude more deadly than the one in 2022

NATO is a corporate $cam to $ell WMD used to murder, maim, and displace millions of innocent civilians on the opposite side of the planet from the US for the benefit of Wall Street and its useful patriots.

How many more civilians have to die for US full spectrum dominance?
 
middleview

middleview

President
Supporting Member
georgephillip said:
Ukraine won't be among any new NATO states, and all the US puppets will be facing a Russian military orders of magnitude more deadly than the one in 2022

NATO is a corporate $cam to $ell WMD used to murder, maim, and displace millions of innocent civilians on the opposite side of the planet from the US for the benefit of Wall Street and its useful patriots.

How many more civilians have to die for US full spectrum dominance?
Click to expand...
1. Nobody is forced to join.
2. Russian invasions and occupations of Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, East Germany, Bulgaria and Ukraine are the reasons countries join. The Russian invasion of Ukraine and wars in Chechnya and Georgia is why Finland and Sweden will now join.

What WMDs have been sold to any of the NATO nations? Nuclear weapons? No. Nerve agents? Nope. Bio weapons? No.

Exactly who is killing innocent civilians? Oh....that would be Russia.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Latest posts

Top