Poland to stop arming Ukraine
- Thread starter Bugsy McGurk
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RickWA
Snagglesooth
Sounds like the current POTUS C-in-C is failing in his mission to maintain NATO partner (Poland) commitments. Naturally, dishonest forum propagandists will ignore/conceal Joe Biden’s real time failures (as always) and instead attempt to attribute the current president’s cavalcade of deficiencies to a person not in office…and a party not in control of foreign policy.
PJ is very unfortunate to have Bugsy McGurk infecting it. He is an awful, terrible American.
Bugsy McGurk
President
georgephillip
Senator
Putin probably is not worried about Russian grain sales or running out of weapons.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66873495
"Poland's ruling Law and Justice party has stepped up its rhetoric in recent weeks in the heat of an acrimonious election campaign, ahead of a 15 October vote, and it has sprung to the defence of Polish farmers who feel threatened by imports of Ukrainian grain.
"Russia's full-scale invasion forced Ukraine to find alternative, overland routes when the main Black Sea shipping lanes were all but closed.
"That in turn led to large quantities of grain ending up in Central Europe.
"Consequently, the European Union temporarily banned imports of grain into five countries, Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Slovakia, to protect local farmers, who feared Ukrainian grain was driving down the prices locally."
as seen on tv
Senator
did anyone check for a backroom deal between poland and putin, for oil supplies?
"winter is coming"
Good call. I think the impending winter will sway some
Bugsy McGurk
President
Dunno. Could be the explanation. Biden’s fault, of course.
But I have said the same thing from Day 1 of this war - the key to ending it is a COMPLETE trade embargo, especially as applied to oil. Only such financial pain brought upon the oligarchs would create the pressure to force Putin to end his war. But those oil sales continue.
georgephillip
Senator
How would you enforce a "COMPLETE trade embargo..." on global oil sales?
Would enforcement require using the U$ dollar as a weapon against those objecting to American full $pectrum dominance?
https://mronline.org/2023/07/13/the-war-in-ukraine-is-the-war-for-the-dollar/
"L’Éclaireur: At a time when the question of the end of the supremacy of the dollar is being raised, you say that the war in Ukraine is not only the war of the American dollar, but that it is not the first…
"Oleg Nesterenko: I see that you are referring to my analysis of the dollar wars, published some time ago… In fact, this is not the first, or even the second, but the third dollar war.
"The first was the war against Saddam Hussein’s Iraq.
"The second was the war against Gaddafi’s Libya.
"And the third, against Moscow on the territory of Ukraine, waged on the territory of a third country, simply because you can’t wage war against the Russians in their own country."
Bugsy McGurk
President
Nope. A complete embargo on Russian oil can be achieved only if all countries (or at least all countries that buy significant oil supplies from Russia) agree to stop buying that oil. The concept is simple. But certain nations are selfishly throwing Ukraine to the wolves by continuing to buy that oil. They are funding Putin’s war machine.
georgephillip
Senator
Most nations are sick of the US using its global reserve currency as a weapon against any nation state that defies American Exceptionalism. China and Russia head that list and the former continues to buy most of the latter's fossil fuel exports. EU countries place second on that list, and India is the next largest importer of Russian fossil fuels having increased imports ten times since Putin's SMO.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/whos-still-buying-russian-fossil-fuels-in-2023/#:~:text=China%20Remains%20Russia's%20Top%20Fossil%20Fuel%20Importer&text=Following%20China%20are%20EU%20nations,oil%20and%20natural%20gas%20respectively.
Obama and his Ukrainian point-man, Joe Biden, threw Ukraine to the corporate wolves in 2014 when they facilitated a violent coup that overthrew a democratically elected president and replaced him with a far-right government in Kiev dedicated to creating a "pure" Ukrainian state by purging ethnic Russians.
Bugsy McGurk
President
It’s a free country. You are free to root for Putin, as deplorable as that is.
georgephillip
Senator
This has not changed since 1967:
How much longer will you root for Biden's proxy war in Ukraine?
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/09/23/get-ready-for-a-ukraine-war-into-the-2030s/?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=c9c39e35-a356-4fcb-844c-2dd421ef0907
"In a recent article titled 'U.S. and G-7 Allies Expect War in Ukraine to Drag On for Years,' Bloomberg reports that the U.S.-centralized power structure expects to be backing its proxy conflict against Russia for a very long time, potentially into the 2030s.
"Bloomberg reports:
Bugsy McGurk
President
I’m sorry, but I’m just not interested in people like you who root for Putin’s invasion. It’s deplorable.
RickWA
Snagglesooth
LOL! Says the guy who top posted of Biden’s masterful unifying of NATO allies for this very Ukrainian War.
Is it actually PAINFUL to be this much of a soulless stooge? You specifically PRAISED Biden for achieving this. Then when it falls apart and he can’t persuade the SAME entity Biden is blameless.
You should be booted from PJ for being NOTHING more than a DNC Press Secretary all day every day.
Bugsy McGurk
President
georgephillip
Senator
RickWA
Snagglesooth
Very introspective, Bugs. Way to acknowledge your VERY public about-face in this forum regarding assigning only credit and praise to your beloved pols - even on the precise same aspect of the exact same subject. Top posted effusive celebration of Biden personally achieving Poland’s and NATO’s contributions to Ukraine. When Poland ends it and refuses? Why…this has nothing at all to do with Biden.
You should be removed from PJ for being nothing other than a party agent. This is well beneath pathetic.
Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
According to the U.S. government and the ever-obsequious New York Times, the Ukraine war was “unprovoked,” the Times’ favorite adjective to describe the war. Putin, allegedly mistaking himself for Peter the Great, invaded Ukraine to recreate the Russian Empire. Yet last week, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg committed a Washington gaffe, meaning that he accidently blurted out the truth.
In testimony to the European Union Parliament, Stoltenberg made clear that it was America’s relentless push to enlarge NATO to Ukraine that was the real cause of the war and why it continues today. Here are Stoltenberg’s revealing words:
When Prof. John Mearsheimer, I, and others have said the same, we’ve been attacked as Putin apologists. The same critics also choose to hide or flatly ignore the dire warnings against NATO enlargement to Ukraine long articulated by many of America’s leading diplomats, including the great scholar-statesman George Kennan, and the former US Ambassadors to Russia Jack Matlock and William Burns.
Burns, now CIA Director, was US Ambassador to Russia in 2008, and author of a memo entitled “Nyet means Nyet.” In that memo, Burns explained to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that the entire Russian political class, not just Putin, was dead-set against NATO enlargement. We know about the memo only because it was leaked. Otherwise, we’d be in the dark about it.
Why does Russia oppose NATO enlargement? For the simple reason that Russia does not accept the U.S. military on its 2,300 km border with Ukraine in the Black Sea region. Russia does not appreciate the U.S. placement of Aegis missiles in Poland and Romania after the U.S. unilaterally abandoned the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty.
Russia also does not welcome the fact that the U.S. engaged in no fewer than 70 regime change operations during the Cold War (1947-1989), and countless more since, including in Serbia, Afghanistan, Georgia, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Venezuela, and Ukraine. Nor does Russia like the fact that many leading U.S. politicians actively advocate the destruction of Russia under the banner of “Decolonizing Russia.” That would be like Russia calling for the removal of Texas, California, Hawaii, the conquered Indian lands, and much else, from the United States.
Opinion | NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine | Common Dreams
Poland gets it. When will the rest of NATO?
In testimony to the European Union Parliament, Stoltenberg made clear that it was America’s relentless push to enlarge NATO to Ukraine that was the real cause of the war and why it continues today. Here are Stoltenberg’s revealing words:
To repeat, he [Putin] went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.
When Prof. John Mearsheimer, I, and others have said the same, we’ve been attacked as Putin apologists. The same critics also choose to hide or flatly ignore the dire warnings against NATO enlargement to Ukraine long articulated by many of America’s leading diplomats, including the great scholar-statesman George Kennan, and the former US Ambassadors to Russia Jack Matlock and William Burns.
Burns, now CIA Director, was US Ambassador to Russia in 2008, and author of a memo entitled “Nyet means Nyet.” In that memo, Burns explained to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that the entire Russian political class, not just Putin, was dead-set against NATO enlargement. We know about the memo only because it was leaked. Otherwise, we’d be in the dark about it.
Why does Russia oppose NATO enlargement? For the simple reason that Russia does not accept the U.S. military on its 2,300 km border with Ukraine in the Black Sea region. Russia does not appreciate the U.S. placement of Aegis missiles in Poland and Romania after the U.S. unilaterally abandoned the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty.
Russia also does not welcome the fact that the U.S. engaged in no fewer than 70 regime change operations during the Cold War (1947-1989), and countless more since, including in Serbia, Afghanistan, Georgia, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Venezuela, and Ukraine. Nor does Russia like the fact that many leading U.S. politicians actively advocate the destruction of Russia under the banner of “Decolonizing Russia.” That would be like Russia calling for the removal of Texas, California, Hawaii, the conquered Indian lands, and much else, from the United States.
Opinion | NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine | Common Dreams
Poland gets it. When will the rest of NATO?
Bugsy McGurk
President
In case you’re curious, you have added psychotic delusions to your usual repetitive, boring drivel. And more whining, of course. And not a thing about the topic.
One can only feel pity for those close to you who must endure your tedious presence day after day.
Bugsy McGurk
President
The only thing Poland gets is that they need to preserve their arms should they be next on Putin’s hit list.
Because they know that deplorables like you are only too happy to root for Putin when he invades his neighbors.
