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reason10

Governor
ISIS was demolished by the time Trump took office. They had been in control of 40% of Iraq. The controlled about a dozen major Iraqi cities...Tikrit, Mosul, Kirkuk, Fallujah, Ramadi and others. This was in 2015.

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By December 2016 the US reportedly killed 50,000 ISIS fighters.

By January 2017 Isis was in control of half of Mosul and had lost control of all other cities.

What message did Putin get when Trump surrendered to the Taliban?
That entire post is a lie. There are no facts whatsoever and you know it.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
That entire post is a lie. There are no facts whatsoever and you know it.
Name the Iraqi cities that ISIS was in control of in February 2017.

I don't expect you'll answer with a list of cities, because what I posted is fact and there are none on your side.

What did Trump get from the Taliban in return for a promise to withdraw all US troops by April 2021, a ceasefire in which the US would not shoot at Taliban troops and the release of 5,000 Taliban prisoners?

Did the Kabul government take part in the "negotiations"? Did the ceasefire actually mean the Taliban would stop shooting at Afghan Army troops? Did the agreement guarantee women's rights to jobs or education? Did the agreement provide for elections?

It was a surrender and we got nothing at all for it.
 

reason10

Governor
Name the Iraqi cities that ISIS was in control of in February 2017.

I don't expect you'll answer with a list of cities, because what I posted is fact and there are none on your side.
Here is a reliable link of the facts. Find someone with an education to read it and explain it to you.

But one year into the Trump administration, the facts on the ground—in Syria and Iraq—have changed dramatically. ISIS lost control of Mosul, the second-largest city in Iraq, in July 2017. Three months later, ISIS’ capital—the Syrian city of Raqqa—fell. Many fighters retreated to Deir ez-Zor in the country’s east. In November 2017, that too fell. The ‘Caliphate’ that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi announced with such fanfare in the summer of 2014 was in tatters.

The United States was already at war with ISIS prior to Trump’s election, working with local partners to take back the territory the terrorist army had gained in Iraq and Syria and carrying out airstrikes in support of that mission. Progress was undeniably slow and, days after being inaugurated, President Trump signed an Executive Order requesting a Pentagon-led review be provided to him within thirty days on how ISIS could be defeated.

Calling this a “secret plan” would be generous, but tactical tweaks did quickly began to appear. Secretary of Defense James Mattis outlined that President Trump “delegated authority to the right level to aggressively and in a timely manner move against enemy vulnerabilities.” This meant that when those on the ground requested airstrikes, fewer layers of sign-off were required; the approval process was decentralized and, subsequently, faster.

Administration officials cite a March 2017 example of when U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF, a Kurdish and Arab fighting force battling ISIS) asked for U.S. air transport for a surprise operation in Taqba, a Syrian town on the Euphrates and where ISIS controlled a dam. Those on the ground gave approval immediately, and the U.S. quickly air-lifted the SDF fighters. Located just twenty-five miles from Raqqa, the taking of Taqba was a major stepping-stone in the overall push into Raqqa.


Here's another source:
Contrast this with Trump. Rather than talk endlessly about how long and hard the fight would be, Trump said during his campaign that, if elected, he would convene his "top generals and give them a simple instruction. They will have 30 days to submit to the Oval Office a plan for soundly and quickly defeating ISIS."

Once in office, Trump made several changes in the way the war was fought, the most important of which were to loosen the rules of engagement and give more decision-making authority to battlefield commanders.

Joshua Keating, writing in the liberal commentary site Slate, noted that Trump had "instructed the Pentagon to loosen the rules of engagement for airstrikes to the minimum required by international law, eliminated White House oversight procedures meant to protect civilians, and ordered the CIA to resume covert targeted killing missions." (He meant it as a criticism.)

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham, who can hardly be called a Trump lap dog, praised what he said was "a dramatic shift in a very positive way — away from the political micromanaging of the Obama years to freeing up generals and troops to destroy ISIS."

The result of this shift seems pretty obvious. In July, ISIS was booted from Mosul, and this week Raqqa was liberated. For all intents and purposes, ISIS has been defeated. Trump did in nine months what Obama couldn't in the previous three years.

Trump's critics will insist that victory was inevitable, given that Obama had severely degraded ISIS over the previous years, and that all Trump did was continue Obama's strategy.

But the bottom line is that while Obama preached patience, Trump promised a swift end to ISIS, and then delivered on it.


You have lost this argument. Move on.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Name the Iraqi cities that ISIS was in control of in February 2017.

I don't expect you'll answer with a list of cities, because what I posted is fact and there are none on your side.

What did Trump get from the Taliban in return for a promise to withdraw all US troops by April 2021, a ceasefire in which the US would not shoot at Taliban troops and the release of 5,000 Taliban prisoners?

Did the Kabul government take part in the "negotiations"? Did the ceasefire actually mean the Taliban would stop shooting at Afghan Army troops? Did the agreement guarantee women's rights to jobs or education? Did the agreement provide for elections?

It was a surrender and we got nothing at all for it.
Trump oversaw the mop-up operations for the brilliant Obama/DOD anti-ISIS strategy, but Trump falsely takes credit for it, so his cultists do the same.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Here is a reliable link of the facts. Find someone with an education to read it and explain it to you.

But one year into the Trump administration, the facts on the ground—in Syria and Iraq—have changed dramatically. ISIS lost control of Mosul, the second-largest city in Iraq, in July 2017. Three months later, ISIS’ capital—the Syrian city of Raqqa—fell. Many fighters retreated to Deir ez-Zor in the country’s east. In November 2017, that too fell. The ‘Caliphate’ that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi announced with such fanfare in the summer of 2014 was in tatters.

The United States was already at war with ISIS prior to Trump’s election, working with local partners to take back the territory the terrorist army had gained in Iraq and Syria and carrying out airstrikes in support of that mission. Progress was undeniably slow and, days after being inaugurated, President Trump signed an Executive Order requesting a Pentagon-led review be provided to him within thirty days on how ISIS could be defeated.

Calling this a “secret plan” would be generous, but tactical tweaks did quickly began to appear. Secretary of Defense James Mattis outlined that President Trump “delegated authority to the right level to aggressively and in a timely manner move against enemy vulnerabilities.” This meant that when those on the ground requested airstrikes, fewer layers of sign-off were required; the approval process was decentralized and, subsequently, faster.

Administration officials cite a March 2017 example of when U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF, a Kurdish and Arab fighting force battling ISIS) asked for U.S. air transport for a surprise operation in Taqba, a Syrian town on the Euphrates and where ISIS controlled a dam. Those on the ground gave approval immediately, and the U.S. quickly air-lifted the SDF fighters. Located just twenty-five miles from Raqqa, the taking of Taqba was a major stepping-stone in the overall push into Raqqa.


Here's another source:
Contrast this with Trump. Rather than talk endlessly about how long and hard the fight would be, Trump said during his campaign that, if elected, he would convene his "top generals and give them a simple instruction. They will have 30 days to submit to the Oval Office a plan for soundly and quickly defeating ISIS."

Once in office, Trump made several changes in the way the war was fought, the most important of which were to loosen the rules of engagement and give more decision-making authority to battlefield commanders.

Joshua Keating, writing in the liberal commentary site Slate, noted that Trump had "instructed the Pentagon to loosen the rules of engagement for airstrikes to the minimum required by international law, eliminated White House oversight procedures meant to protect civilians, and ordered the CIA to resume covert targeted killing missions." (He meant it as a criticism.)

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham, who can hardly be called a Trump lap dog, praised what he said was "a dramatic shift in a very positive way — away from the political micromanaging of the Obama years to freeing up generals and troops to destroy ISIS."

The result of this shift seems pretty obvious. In July, ISIS was booted from Mosul, and this week Raqqa was liberated. For all intents and purposes, ISIS has been defeated. Trump did in nine months what Obama couldn't in the previous three years.

Trump's critics will insist that victory was inevitable, given that Obama had severely degraded ISIS over the previous years, and that all Trump did was continue Obama's strategy.

But the bottom line is that while Obama preached patience, Trump promised a swift end to ISIS, and then delivered on it.


You have lost this argument. Move on.
I asked you to provide a list of Iraqi cities liberated after Trump took office. As I posted before....Mosul was the last remaining city under ISIS control.....what happened to the list I gave you of cities ISIS had taken control of in 2014...before the US responded to the Iraqi request for help?

You mention a couple of cities in Syria. As I showed you...most of ISIS's gains of 2014 and 2015 had been erased by the Iraqi military with help from the US and allies. That was at minimal cost in US lives.
 

EatTheRich

President
Name the Iraqi cities that ISIS was in control of in February 2017.

I don't expect you'll answer with a list of cities, because what I posted is fact and there are none on your side.

What did Trump get from the Taliban in return for a promise to withdraw all US troops by April 2021, a ceasefire in which the US would not shoot at Taliban troops and the release of 5,000 Taliban prisoners?

Did the Kabul government take part in the "negotiations"? Did the ceasefire actually mean the Taliban would stop shooting at Afghan Army troops? Did the agreement guarantee women's rights to jobs or education? Did the agreement provide for elections?

It was a surrender and we got nothing at all for it.
What we got was a ceasefire and an eventual end to the war.
 

EatTheRich

President
Here is a reliable link of the facts. Find someone with an education to read it and explain it to you.

But one year into the Trump administration, the facts on the ground—in Syria and Iraq—have changed dramatically. ISIS lost control of Mosul, the second-largest city in Iraq, in July 2017. Three months later, ISIS’ capital—the Syrian city of Raqqa—fell. Many fighters retreated to Deir ez-Zor in the country’s east. In November 2017, that too fell. The ‘Caliphate’ that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi announced with such fanfare in the summer of 2014 was in tatters.

The United States was already at war with ISIS prior to Trump’s election, working with local partners to take back the territory the terrorist army had gained in Iraq and Syria and carrying out airstrikes in support of that mission. Progress was undeniably slow and, days after being inaugurated, President Trump signed an Executive Order requesting a Pentagon-led review be provided to him within thirty days on how ISIS could be defeated.

Calling this a “secret plan” would be generous, but tactical tweaks did quickly began to appear. Secretary of Defense James Mattis outlined that President Trump “delegated authority to the right level to aggressively and in a timely manner move against enemy vulnerabilities.” This meant that when those on the ground requested airstrikes, fewer layers of sign-off were required; the approval process was decentralized and, subsequently, faster.

Administration officials cite a March 2017 example of when U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF, a Kurdish and Arab fighting force battling ISIS) asked for U.S. air transport for a surprise operation in Taqba, a Syrian town on the Euphrates and where ISIS controlled a dam. Those on the ground gave approval immediately, and the U.S. quickly air-lifted the SDF fighters. Located just twenty-five miles from Raqqa, the taking of Taqba was a major stepping-stone in the overall push into Raqqa.


Here's another source:
Contrast this with Trump. Rather than talk endlessly about how long and hard the fight would be, Trump said during his campaign that, if elected, he would convene his "top generals and give them a simple instruction. They will have 30 days to submit to the Oval Office a plan for soundly and quickly defeating ISIS."

Once in office, Trump made several changes in the way the war was fought, the most important of which were to loosen the rules of engagement and give more decision-making authority to battlefield commanders.

Joshua Keating, writing in the liberal commentary site Slate, noted that Trump had "instructed the Pentagon to loosen the rules of engagement for airstrikes to the minimum required by international law, eliminated White House oversight procedures meant to protect civilians, and ordered the CIA to resume covert targeted killing missions." (He meant it as a criticism.)

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham, who can hardly be called a Trump lap dog, praised what he said was "a dramatic shift in a very positive way — away from the political micromanaging of the Obama years to freeing up generals and troops to destroy ISIS."

The result of this shift seems pretty obvious. In July, ISIS was booted from Mosul, and this week Raqqa was liberated. For all intents and purposes, ISIS has been defeated. Trump did in nine months what Obama couldn't in the previous three years.

Trump's critics will insist that victory was inevitable, given that Obama had severely degraded ISIS over the previous years, and that all Trump did was continue Obama's strategy.

But the bottom line is that while Obama preached patience, Trump promised a swift end to ISIS, and then delivered on it.


You have lost this argument. Move on.
In other words, Trump, who had the war sewn up when he took office, created the environment for a bunch of war crimes that will create new generations of extremist groups.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
3,000 Afghan soldiers died during that "ceasefire" during which they had no air support from us. No wonder they folded so quickly.
It’s a “ceasefire” in Trumplandia when Trump surrenders to the Taliban and allows them to run roughshod over our Afghan allies, causing thousands of deaths and the loss of the country to the Taliban as they blast their way to victory.

A “ceasefire.”
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
It’s a “ceasefire” in Trumplandia when Trump surrenders to the Taliban and allows them to run roughshod over our Afghan allies, causing thousands of deaths and the loss of the country to the Taliban as they blast their way to victory.

A “ceasefire.”
Taliban are blasting with the arms Joe left them
 
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