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middleview

President
Supporting Member
That's a pretty weak response.
It is when it is directed only at political opponents - perhaps you can point us to the democrats' efforts to eradicate guns from the criminal gangs that support them.

Really? Gun control is aimed at political opponents? Universal background checks are aimed at those who are not legally permitted to own guns...ex-felons, drug addicts, people under court ordered psychiatric care...are those all republicans?

Or big business by government - like, say the "woke capitalism" that currently reflects the political agenda of the left?

This makes no sense at all. Do you have an example of "big business by government"?


It's not "banning" labor unions, but rather subsuming them into the fascist political movement (when was the last time a non-police national labor unit endorsed a republican?)

Fascist regimes typically rule in favor of business and against independent labor unions. WTF does labor union endorsement have to do with anything? The fact is that republicans typically pass legislation that works against unions.

- it is obviously more accurately "support" for favored religions, like, say, the new "religion" of climate activism, over disfavored religions, like, say, christianity.

Fascism supports Christianity, as in the case of Nazi Germany. Climate activism is hardly a religion...but MAGA seems to be.

"Imperialism" like, say, blowing up the commercial pipelines of an economic rival and enlisting the military as an agent of spreading the (globalist) fascist economic agenda?
It's not simply militarism for the sake of a stronger military, but rather, enlisting the military to further the goals of the fascist political party:


You can continue to argue that the US blew up the pipeline. That doesn't make it so. When Trump said we should have kept the oil after invading Iraq...that is imperialism.
And yes, that would be a case of using the military to further the goals of the fascist party...it just happens to be the republican one.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Oh? Really? huh...So Democrats are the only ones who can bring up the policies of 150 years ago? It wasn't the GOP in khaki pants, golf shirts and "Make America Great Again" hats who were tearing down Statues in 2020 ....including ones of Grant for example..........because of ummm Slavery........not a very smart group those Dems........

Your betters are not going to like the fact you bought attention to this Bill, this is exactly why you would write a bill like that because in the age of "wokeness" this just tosses how ridiculous your party is right in your face.

NY Post was banned for a full TWO WEEKS, certain users were not allowed to link to the story even in there DM's, all at the behest of the Federal Gov't (FBI)...... You should really stop pretending to have read the Twitter Files and actually read the Twitter Files.....we of course know what the MSM did, we know 51 morons openly lied to the country.....

The damage was done...but its all good, power is all that matters to your side. How is Fetterman doing by the way?
What democrats wanted to discuss policies from 1860?

It was republicans and specifically the ones who support Trump, who tried to tear up the constitution to keep Trump in power.

The NYPost account was frozen for two weeks. The story was censored for 24 hours. The FBI did not tell Twitter to censor that story, yet you continue to say the FBI chose what Twitter permitted. That is a lie.

The 51 retired intelligence officials expressed an opinion and you call it a lie. How in hell can an opinion be a lie.

You posted an opinion that the election was stolen. You then posted "facts" to back up your opinion. I proved those facts to be false. See how that works?

The 51 people who signed the letter said that the laptop story had all the hallmarks of a Russian disinfo operation. They wrote that without having access to the laptop and solely based on the facts. The laptop came from a PC repair shop run by a pro-Trump guy who cannot identify Hunter BIden as the guy who dropped it off. He's a guy who does not actually have any evidence that the laptop belonged to Hunter.
 

protectionist

Governor
Need quarters for laundry Day?

Your apartment complex sounds like where I lived in 1978.
Need reading glasses ? I said I have a built in washer dryer in a closet attached to the living room. I also said this building's construction was completed in 2022., with sprinklers everywhere. Not even a year old. Nothing like 1978.
 

protectionist

Governor
It is when it is directed only at political opponents - perhaps you can point us to the democrats' efforts to eradicate guns from the criminal gangs that support them.

Really? Gun control is aimed at political opponents? Universal background checks are aimed at those who are not legally permitted to own guns...ex-felons, drug addicts, people under court ordered psychiatric care...are those all republicans?
Biden also endorses banning large capacity magazines and guns that hold them.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
It is when it is directed only at political opponents - perhaps you can point us to the democrats' efforts to eradicate guns from the criminal gangs that support them.

Really? Gun control is aimed at political opponents? Universal background checks are aimed at those who are not legally permitted to own guns...ex-felons, drug addicts, people under court ordered psychiatric care...are those all republicans?

Or big business by government - like, say the "woke capitalism" that currently reflects the political agenda of the left?

This makes no sense at all. Do you have an example of "big business by government"?


It's not "banning" labor unions, but rather subsuming them into the fascist political movement (when was the last time a non-police national labor unit endorsed a republican?)

Fascist regimes typically rule in favor of business and against independent labor unions. WTF does labor union endorsement have to do with anything? The fact is that republicans typically pass legislation that works against unions.

- it is obviously more accurately "support" for favored religions, like, say, the new "religion" of climate activism, over disfavored religions, like, say, christianity.

Fascism supports Christianity, as in the case of Nazi Germany. Climate activism is hardly a religion...but MAGA seems to be.

"Imperialism" like, say, blowing up the commercial pipelines of an economic rival and enlisting the military as an agent of spreading the (globalist) fascist economic agenda?
It's not simply militarism for the sake of a stronger military, but rather, enlisting the military to further the goals of the fascist political party:


You can continue to argue that the US blew up the pipeline. That doesn't make it so. When Trump said we should have kept the oil after invading Iraq...that is imperialism.
And yes, that would be a case of using the military to further the goals of the fascist party...it just happens to be the republican one.
Better - at least you didn't try phoning it in.

Clearly, the Biden administration's efforts, as well as those of democrat run cities and states, are designed to deprive law abiding citizens of the ability to obtain and keep weapons. The criminals? Not so much. The Biden DOJ is focused on prosecuting conservatives for thought crimes, or religious expression, or objecting to their "woke" agenda. That is actually happening, unlike your silly fake "attempt to outlaw the democratic party."

You act like "woke capitalism" isn't a thing - you are either not paying attention or lying. The idea that I have to prove to you that corporations have gone ape-shit over "diversity" and ESG is idiotic. The evidence is everywhere.

Fascist movements have clearly always taken everyone they can get. Especially the youths - if you haven't noticed the "woke" education going on everywhere, you are just not paying attention, and if the unions support the fascist movement, what are they going to do, say "no we don't want you to help us oppress the other side?" That is absurd! "Independent" unions is the key word - and the fact is that almost every union is a subsidiary of the DNC.

Your pedantic insistence that fascism can only be a "Christian" movement is so inane I don't even feel the need to rebut it. They use whatever organizations that are willing to assist their efforts - and the new woke "religion" of the left certainly qualifies. Maybe you can provide some proof that MAGA pushes a big government control agenda.

You have yet to provide a believable scenario that has Russia blowing up their own pipeline, so the idea that the US didn't do it, after various Biden Administration officials (including Biden himself) vowed to "end it" is ridiculous. If you are suggesting that Trump acting imperialistically makes it impossible for the Biden Administration to be imperialistic, then you are simply an unserious poster.

As long as you get to control the definition of "fascist" then clearly, Trump is always going to be one. But the fact is that fascism is, at its core, an authoritarian endeavor. The political party most involved in forcing everyone to adhere to their ideology (which is textbook authoritarianism) is the Democrats. Any suggestion to the contrary is absurd.
 

EatTheRich

President
Better - at least you didn't try phoning it in.

Clearly, the Biden administration's efforts, as well as those of democrat run cities and states, are designed to deprive law abiding citizens of the ability to obtain and keep weapons. The criminals? Not so much. The Biden DOJ is focused on prosecuting conservatives for thought crimes, or religious expression, or objecting to their "woke" agenda. That is actually happening, unlike your silly fake "attempt to outlaw the democratic party."

You act like "woke capitalism" isn't a thing - you are either not paying attention or lying. The idea that I have to prove to you that corporations have gone ape-shit over "diversity" and ESG is idiotic. The evidence is everywhere.

Fascist movements have clearly always taken everyone they can get. Especially the youths - if you haven't noticed the "woke" education going on everywhere, you are just not paying attention, and if the unions support the fascist movement, what are they going to do, say "no we don't want you to help us oppress the other side?" That is absurd! "Independent" unions is the key word - and the fact is that almost every union is a subsidiary of the DNC.

Your pedantic insistence that fascism can only be a "Christian" movement is so inane I don't even feel the need to rebut it. They use whatever organizations that are willing to assist their efforts - and the new woke "religion" of the left certainly qualifies. Maybe you can provide some proof that MAGA pushes a big government control agenda.

You have yet to provide a believable scenario that has Russia blowing up their own pipeline, so the idea that the US didn't do it, after various Biden Administration officials (including Biden himself) vowed to "end it" is ridiculous. If you are suggesting that Trump acting imperialistically makes it impossible for the Biden Administration to be imperialistic, then you are simply an unserious poster.

As long as you get to control the definition of "fascist" then clearly, Trump is always going to be one. But the fact is that fascism is, at its core, an authoritarian endeavor. The political party most involved in forcing everyone to adhere to their ideology (which is textbook authoritarianism) is the Democrats. Any suggestion to the contrary is absurd.
Trump did a lot more to attempt to shut down criticism (abuse of antitrust against his corporate critics, blatant attempts to silence critical media through license revocation as well as naked thug violence, death threats against critics by his supporters, saying out loud that criticism of him should be punishable) than the Democrats have done.

The integration of unions with the capitalist government is a prelude to fascism and was accelerated greatly by Trump’s efforts to muscle into the unions with death threats and personal negotiation of contracts. The moves to subordinate the unions to the Biden government have occurred with the Republican right’s blessing.

Trump greatly increased the size of government while Biden has cut spending. His authoritarian legacy includes the attempt to do away with free elections, the most aggressive gun control agenda since Clinton, open exhortations to police to be more brutal, and persistent attacks on constitutional rights.

No, not all fascists are Christian; and Trump is not now a fascist leader. However, he is supported by fascists to a far greater extent than Biden because he is a right-winger and therefore an authoritarian to a much greater degree.
 
What democrats wanted to discuss policies from 1860?

It was republicans and specifically the ones who support Trump, who tried to tear up the constitution to keep Trump in power.

The NYPost account was frozen for two weeks. The story was censored for 24 hours. The FBI did not tell Twitter to censor that story, yet you continue to say the FBI chose what Twitter permitted. That is a lie.

The 51 retired intelligence officials expressed an opinion and you call it a lie. How in hell can an opinion be a lie.

You posted an opinion that the election was stolen. You then posted "facts" to back up your opinion. I proved those facts to be false. See how that works?

The 51 people who signed the letter said that the laptop story had all the hallmarks of a Russian disinfo operation. They wrote that without having access to the laptop and solely based on the facts. The laptop came from a PC repair shop run by a pro-Trump guy who cannot identify Hunter BIden as the guy who dropped it off. He's a guy who does not actually have any evidence that the laptop belonged to Hunter.
It was not Trump voters running around destroying statues in 2020 was it? ........

The FBI did tell Twitter and other Social Media companies to censor that story they had a 1 on 1 meeting with James Baker to discuss that very thing, not to mention a hot line set up. I would again suggest you actually read the Twitter Files (all of them) because what you are inexplicably still claiming is patently FALSE.

You continue to lie about all of this and have nothing to stand on, what the FBI did from 2016-present day is now documented, from lying to get FISA warrants to spy on a campaign, to the destroying of Gen. Flynn, to suppressing a news story that hurt the candidate they chose for all of us to the raid on Trumps house...

The best insurance policy ever and direct elecion interference.

Equally pathetic is your defense of the 51 now disgraced ass-oles who signed the letter addressed to the country.
Let's just take two of the lying POS for example, Brennan and Clapper both signed that letter, both still had security clearances, FBI had the laptop since 2019 and you want us to believe that those two did not know it was legitimate and not a Russian hack and leak operation?
 
It was republicans and specifically the ones who support Trump, who tried to tear up the constitution to keep Trump in power.
Your boy Liz would be so proud.

It was a riot NOT an insurrection, one that the left has used to carry out a political persecution against people they do not like and stifle any discussion of an election that was neither free or fair.

But hey........ Fascist do what they do....Goebbels would be proud of you guys for repeating a lie....

Anything for power after all, anything at all........ How is Fetterman by the way?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
It was not Trump voters running around destroying statues in 2020 was it? ........

The FBI did tell Twitter and other Social Media companies to censor that story they had a 1 on 1 meeting with James Baker to discuss that very thing, not to mention a hot line set up. I would again suggest you actually read the Twitter Files (all of them) because what you are inexplicably still claiming is patently FALSE.

You continue to lie about all of this and have nothing to stand on, what the FBI did from 2016-present day is now documented, from lying to get FISA warrants to spy on a campaign, to the destroying of Gen. Flynn, to suppressing a news story that hurt the candidate they chose for all of us to the raid on Trumps house...

The best insurance policy ever and direct elecion interference.

Equally pathetic is your defense of the 51 now disgraced ass-oles who signed the letter addressed to the country.
Let's just take two of the lying POS for example, Brennan and Clapper both signed that letter, both still had security clearances, FBI had the laptop since 2019 and you want us to believe that those two did not know it was legitimate and not a Russian hack and leak operation?
And just when did Brennan and Clapper get a briefed on the laptop? When did the FBI share any info with them?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Your boy Liz would be so proud.

It was a riot NOT an insurrection, one that the left has used to carry out a political persecution against people they do not like and stifle any discussion of an election that was neither free or fair.

But hey........ Fascist do what they do....Goebbels would be proud of you guys for repeating a lie....

Anything for power after all, anything at all........ How is Fetterman by the way?
Yup, it was just a pointless bunch of assh0les breaking windows and doors, assaulting the police and forcing the constitutional process of counting electors and declaring the winner of the election...not part of the implementation of Eastman's GreenBay Sweep, eh?

Fascists take and keep power with mobs...Mussolini would fit right in with the 1/6 deniers.
 
Yup, it was just a pointless bunch of assh0les breaking windows and doors, assaulting the police and forcing the constitutional process of counting electors and declaring the winner of the election...not part of the implementation of Eastman's GreenBay Sweep, eh?

Fascists take and keep power with mobs...Mussolini would fit right in with the 1/6 deniers.
That's exactly what it was, a pointless bunch of assh0les breaking windows and doors, If it were anything but that the left would not be [Unwelcome language removed] itself about all the footage being made public.

But you stick to the lie....
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
It was not Trump voters running around destroying statues in 2020 was it? ........

The FBI did tell Twitter and other Social Media companies to censor that story they had a 1 on 1 meeting with James Baker to discuss that very thing, not to mention a hot line set up. I would again suggest you actually read the Twitter Files (all of them) because what you are inexplicably still claiming is patently FALSE.

You continue to lie about all of this and have nothing to stand on, what the FBI did from 2016-present day is now documented, from lying to get FISA warrants to spy on a campaign, to the destroying of Gen. Flynn, to suppressing a news story that hurt the candidate they chose for all of us to the raid on Trumps house...

The best insurance policy ever and direct elecion interference.

Equally pathetic is your defense of the 51 now disgraced ass-oles who signed the letter addressed to the country.
Let's just take two of the lying POS for example, Brennan and Clapper both signed that letter, both still had security clearances, FBI had the laptop since 2019 and you want us to believe that those two did not know it was legitimate and not a Russian hack and leak operation?
What did the vandalism of statues have to do with the election? Would Trump have won if those statues had still been standing?

Where is the transcript of the meeting with Baker? Oh, there isn't one? So it is just you imagining what was said. While we are at it...here is what the Twitter files said about the laptop.

While Taibbi suggests Twitter employees actively influenced the 2020 election by deleting tweets, banning accounts, and supressing news despite confusing or shaky justification, it is important to note that Taibbi explicitly states both political parties asked Twitter to delete posts or accounts on their behalf and that Twitter complied with requests from both parties.







Matt Taibbi

@mtaibbi

·
Dec 2, 2022

22. Although several sources recalled hearing about a “general” warning from federal law enforcement that summer about possible foreign hacks, there’s no evidence - that I've seen - of any government involvement in the laptop story. In fact, that might have been the problem...


 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
That's exactly what it was, a pointless bunch of assh0les breaking windows and doors, If it were anything but that the left would not be [Unwelcome language removed] itself about all the footage being made public.

But you stick to the lie....
So why did Trump sit and watch for 3 hours as the mob threatened congress and the VP? Why didn't he send help? It was because he wanted to prevent the completion of the count of electors and the declaration that Biden had won. He wanted time to get republican legislatures in PA, AZ, GA and MI to appoint "alternate" electors or he hoped republican congressmen would challenge electors and force the House to vote for him.

There is nothing in the footage that will absolve the rioters.
 
And just when did Brennan and Clapper get a briefed on the laptop? When did the FBI share any info with them?
Really? You are going to stick to the lie? FBI knew it was not Russian Disinformation, other Intelligence Agencies ALSO knew it was NOT Russian disinformation....

and the best defense you have is me not knowing when these two assh-oles get briefed?.....

Good Luck with that.
 
What did the vandalism of statues have to do with the election? Would Trump have won if those statues had still been standing?

Where is the transcript of the meeting with Baker? Oh, there isn't one? So it is just you imagining what was said. While we are at it...here is what the Twitter files said about the laptop.

While Taibbi suggests Twitter employees actively influenced the 2020 election by deleting tweets, banning accounts, and supressing news despite confusing or shaky justification, it is important to note that Taibbi explicitly states both political parties asked Twitter to delete posts or accounts on their behalf and that Twitter complied with requests from both parties.


Matt Taibbi
@mtaibbi

·
Dec 2, 2022

22. Although several sources recalled hearing about a “general” warning from federal law enforcement that summer about possible foreign hacks, there’s no evidence - that I've seen - of any government involvement in the laptop story. In fact, that might have been the problem...


Do I have to tell you once a week that Matt Taibbi is NOT the only reporter on the Twitter Files. Do I have to tell you once a week that his first release was scrubbed by James Baker a former FBI attorney and key figure in the entire Russian Collusion hoax? A guy who just happened to make it over to Twitter in time for the 2020 election..............

 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Really? You are going to stick to the lie? FBI knew it was not Russian Disinformation, other Intelligence Agencies ALSO knew it was NOT Russian disinformation....

and the best defense you have is me not knowing when these two assh-oles get briefed?.....

Good Luck with that.
You implied that they'd have inside info, since they still had security clearances.
John Brennan had left the CIA in January 2017. James Clapper was DNI until Jan 2017.

Here is the letter they signed


Here is what that letter said:

We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement -- just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Do I have to tell you once a week that Matt Taibbi is NOT the only reporter on the Twitter Files. Do I have to tell you once a week that his first release was scrubbed by James Baker a former FBI attorney and key figure in the entire Russian Collusion hoax? A guy who just happened to make it over to Twitter in time for the 2020 election..............

So Taibbi says he saw nothing mentioning the laptop from the FBI. Feel free to C&P where any other reporter said they did.
 
You implied that they'd have inside info, since they still had security clearances.
John Brennan had left the CIA in January 2017. James Clapper was DNI until Jan 2017.

Here is the letter they signed


Here is what that letter said:

We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement -- just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case
So what is you are doing? Are you just lying to protect your corrupt party or are you just do NOT understand what it is they did here?

They did know it was NOT Russian Disinformation and signed the letter anyway.
 
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