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Emily

NSDAP Kanzler
No, the commies have a self-deluding romantic notion of themselves exactly like the Nazis do.
Just about every group -- ideological, religious, ethnic, national, etc. -- has a somewhat unrealistic (or what you're calling delusional) romantic notion of itself. It's not really a bad thing; an idealized self-image helps keep the people striving to live up to it.
 

Emily

NSDAP Kanzler
“The concept of race has no genetic or scientific basis.”-James Venter (1st to sequence the human genome)
I've cited in the past several articles by geneticists asserting otherwise, that race is a biological reality.
Hence the slaves literally worked and starved to death in the concentration camps.
Didn't happen.
The extermination of Jews is of course an extreme manifestation of anti-Semitism.
Didn't happen.
As for sexism there is the lack of reproductive freedom and the forcible exclusion of women from nearly all employment.
"Reproductive freedom" -- you mean abortion (aka, infanticide) on demand. Yes, Nat'l Socialism opposes it. No apologies.
Your second clause -- Untrue.
The Marxist cares about food on the hungry family’s table
Yet never once has been able to actually provide it.
while the Nazi calls for that family to go hungry in the interest of the worshipped state.
while Nazis insist that the people will be better off waiting to eat pie in the sky.
Precisely the opposite of the truth.
No working family ever had it better than in Nat'l Socialist Germany. I've cited numerous proofs in the past.
 

Emily

NSDAP Kanzler
Clearly there is such a thing as socialism that makes promises of a kind. When the benefits of that socialism is promised to a class that is communism. When the benefits of that socialism is promised to a race that is Nazism.
When the benefits of that socialism are promised to all who contribute to the ethno-state community, that is National Socialism.
 
When the benefits of that socialism are promised to all who contribute to the ethno-state community, that is National Socialism.
Rehabilitation is not your forte - a Nazi is a Nazi. And we all know the full and true story of Hitler and his Nazism like we do Stalin's, Pol's, and Mao's communism. Same evil shit.

What do I care about either of your commie or Nazi self-deluded romantic notions of yourselves. Let go of the evil Emily.
 

EatTheRich

President
I've cited in the past several articles by geneticists asserting otherwise, that race is a biological reality.
Impossible since racial groups aren’t united by common descent.

Didn't happen.


Didn't happen.

"Reproductive freedom" -- you mean abortion (aka, infanticide) on demand. Yes, Nat'l Socialism opposes it. No apologies.
The right of women to choose when and whether to have children instead of having the state choose for them. The Nazis mandates forced childbirth for some, and forced abortions for others ... like other opponents of reproductive freedom, their goal was not preserving life but extending state control.

Your second clause -- Untrue.

Yet never once has been able to actually provide it.
China was a land in which people died of famine by the tens of thousands year in and year out, as they do in India to this day. China had a socialist revolution in 1949, led reluctantly by a counterrevolutionary Stalinist clique pushed forward by the masses. This clique’s anticommunist maneuvers created a crisis leading to an ultraleftist adventure known as the “Great Leap Forward” in which China rapidly went from a backward agricultural country to a modern industrialized country, at the expense of the masses who suffered greatly. The foundation of socialism and the industrialization it made possible served China well, however. Even though capitalism was eventually restored by Stalinist brutality (Tiananmen Square, Beijing Olympics antilabor assault), the legacy of Chinese socialism includes not only its modern industrial development but also a relatively thorough welfare state, and no one has starved in China since 1962 ... something that can be said of no other capitalist country.

Precisely the opposite of the truth.
No working family ever had it better than in Nat'l Socialist Germany. I've cited numerous proofs in the past.
So why did Nazi Germany require the methods of terror to cow the masses into obedience? What about the families who starved? The ones exterminated by the Einsatzgruppen? Why did the Germans welcome the Americans as liberators?
 
Just about every group -- ideological, religious, ethnic, national, etc. -- has a somewhat unrealistic (or what you're calling delusional) romantic notion of itself. It's not really a bad thing; an idealized self-image helps keep the people striving to live up to it.
No, what keeps people striving for something objectively good is real virtue; the love your neighbor, don't steal, and don't kill kind of virtues.
 

EatTheRich

President
Rehabilitation is not your forte - a Nazi is a Nazi. And we all know the full and true story of Hitler and his Nazism like we do Stalin's, Pol's, and Mao's communism. Same evil shit.

What do I care about either of your commie or Nazi self-deluded romantic notions of yourselves. Let go of the evil Emily.
Stalin and Mao were centrists searching fruitlessly for a compromise between communism and capitalism. Hitler was a right-wing radical frustrated with capitalism’s progressive obliteration of traditional values. Pol Pot was an ultraleftist who hated communism’s sober, moderate response to the horror of capitalism. What unites them all is that their political power represented the strength, not of the workers or the capitalists, but of certain middle-class layers (peasant-soldiers for Mao and Pol Pot, bureaucrats including party officials for Mao, Stalin, and Hitler, and small business owners for Hitler). Of course the middle classes, by their nature, cannot hold power independently. What distinguishes Hitler’s regime from the others, above all else, was that he ruled through alliance with the capitalists and landlords, while Mao and Stalin ruled primarily through alliance with the workers whose interest they, in a distorted way, represented, and Pol Pot through the workers as well, indirectly, as a Chinese client).
 

Emily

NSDAP Kanzler
Rehabilitation is not your forte - a Nazi is a Nazi.
But you don't know or understand what a "Nazi" actually is.
S'okay; most don't. But one ought to listen when a "Nazi" explains what it is to be a "Nazi."
And we all know the full and true story of Hitler and his Nazism
No, you all don't.
What do I care about either of your commie or Nazi self-deluded romantic notions of yourselves.
Yet here you are, posting to this thread.
Let go of the evil Emily.
I did.
Let go of the evil, R.E.
 

Emily

NSDAP Kanzler
Impossible
Yet it's true.
since racial groups aren’t united by common descent.
Uh huh. Just a social construct, blah, blah. "There are none so blind..."
The right of women to choose when and whether to have children instead of having the state choose for them.
The right to use birth control. Yes.
The right to refrain from sexual intercourse. Yes.
The right to have one's children slaughtered in the womb. No.
The Nazis mandates forced childbirth for some, and forced abortions for others
Encouraged isn't the same as mandated.
So why did Nazi Germany require the methods of terror to cow the masses into obedience?
It didn't.
The ones exterminated by the Einsatzgruppen?
Nope. The Einsatzgruppen had a job; killing innocent families wasn't included in the job description.
Why did the Germans welcome the Americans as liberators?
They didn't. Neither did the French. Positive proof is available, including film footage you can find on Youtube.
Hitler was a right-wing radical frustrated with capitalism’s progressive obliteration of traditional values
"Conservative" family values isn't all that defines "right-wing" -- the right/left dichotomy simply doesn't fit, despite your agenda-driven assertions. He was, indeed, frustrated with the obliteration of traditional values in Germany at the time -- like so many of us in the West today -- but it wasn't only the capitalists obliterating them; it was the communists and communism's founders/promoters.
 
But you don't know or understand what a "Nazi" actually is.
S'okay; most don't. But one ought to listen when a "Nazi" explains what it is to be a "Nazi."

No, you all don't.

Yet here you are, posting to this thread.

I did.
Let go of the evil, R.E.
The part where you say, "ought to listen," has a kind of threatening connotation coming from a committed Nazi. Like I said you don't have the talent to redress the evil of Nazism nor @EatTheRich for that of communism.
 

EatTheRich

President
Yet it's true.

Uh huh. Just a social construct, blah, blah. "There are none so blind..."
Fact: there is a very low correlation between assignment to the same race by any of the dozens of racial classification schemes and having genetic affinity.

The right to use birth control. Yes.
The right to refrain from sexual intercourse. Yes.
The right to have one's children slaughtered in the womb. No.[/QUOTE]

Your philosophy says that existing human lives should be sacrificed to the principle of reproduction for reproduction’s sake. Preventing a zygote from turning into an embryo from turning into a fetus from turning into a child is not the same as slaughtering a child. A mother has a new child when the fetus exits the womb and turns into a child.

Encouraged isn't the same as mandated.
And? The Nazis’ means of encouragement were the bullet and the gas chamber.

It didn't.
And the gallows and the truncheon and the concentration camp and the prison and the police dogs and the barbed wire.

Nope. The Einsatzgruppen had a job; killing innocent families wasn't included in the job description.
Yes it is. They sent reports to their SS superiors, reports read by Himmler, about how many they killed each day.

They didn't. Neither did the French. Positive proof is available, including film footage you can find on Youtube.

"Conservative" family values isn't all that defines "right-wing" -- the right/left dichotomy simply doesn't fit, despite your agenda-driven assertions.
Left/right is about pro-majority vs. pro-elites. By that measure the Nazis were right-wing, in fact no political movement in history ever served the cause of the ultra-rich or damaged the situation of the masses more thoroughly.

[QUO He was, indeed, frustrated with the obliteration of traditional values in Germany at the time -- like so many of us in the West today -- but it wasn't only the capitalists obliterating them; it was the communists and communism's founders/promoters.
[/QUOTE]

Of course. And communists correctly saw this as a work of liberation. But capitalism destroyed the best, the very things that it claimed as its moral justification including the traditional dream of self-sufficiency, and sabotaged the left’s efforts to provide better things to take its place.
 

Emily

NSDAP Kanzler
The part where you say, "ought to listen," has a kind of threatening connotation coming from a committed Nazi.
That wasn't my intention at all.
Seeing it that way displays the misunderstanding of National Socialism that i mentioned.
Like I said you don't have the talent to redress the evil of Nazism
Redressing "the evil of Nazism isn't among my goals here. There's little evil to redress. Very little, relative to communism, capitalism, and democracy.
In every conflict, all sides believe themselves to be the good guys. Only the victors get to write the official history. Relating the complete & unvarnished truth is rarely the victors' highest priority. The official history of WWII is no different. The reality of National Socialism isn't as we were all taught.
 

Emily

NSDAP Kanzler
Fact: there is a very low correlation between assignment to the same race by any of the dozens of racial classification schemes and having genetic affinity.
Among certain social philosophers with agendas, perhaps. Biologically, that's just not so.
Your philosophy says that existing human lives should be sacrificed to the principle of reproduction for reproduction’s sake.
That's a baseless statement; entirely untrue.
A mother has a new child when the fetus exits the womb and turns into a child.
That's an opinion. It's one with which many, many people disagree.
The Nazis’ means of encouragement were the bullet and the gas chamber.
And the gallows and the truncheon and the concentration camp and the prison and the police dogs and the barbed wire.
All of that is false and based on wartime + post-war propaganda.
They sent reports to their SS superiors, reports read by Himmler, about how many they killed each day.
No one said the Einsatzgruppen didn't kill people. You asserted,, falsely, that they went about killing families; I said, truthfully, that killing families wasn't their job. They were field operatives combating resistance fighters and communist partisans.

Thanks for the videos. However, newsreel war propaganda is hardly a source of unbiased information. I haven't the time right now to look for it, but there's unedited footage of US soldiers "liberating" Paris being shoved and spat upon by French civilians. There's also documentation of camp prisoners choosing to run with German soldiers rather than be "liberated" by oncoming Russian forces.
 

Emily

NSDAP Kanzler
Left/right is about pro-majority vs. pro-elites. By that measure the Nazis were right-wing, in fact no political movement in history ever served the cause of the ultra-rich or damaged the situation of the masses more thoroughly.
That summation of left & right isn't one most people would use. Still, by that measure, Nat'l Socialists were and are left-wing. No movement (Nat'l Socialism isn't just a political movement) in history ever lifted the masses more or benefited people of all classes together as much.
That, subsequently, the ultra-rich gained greatly from a war they instigated while the masses suffered doesn't change that.
 

EatTheRich

President
Among certain social philosophers with agendas, perhaps. Biologically, that's just not so.
Biologically, it is.

That's a baseless statement; entirely untrue.
That is a position you announced immediately above.

That's an opinion. It's one with which many, many people disagree.
Actually, it’s a fact. And facts don’t care about your feelings.


All of that is false and based on wartime + post-war propaganda.
Why did Nazi propaganda portray the Nazis as brutal thugs?

No one said the Einsatzgruppen didn't kill people. You asserted,, falsely, that they went about killing families; I said, truthfully, that killing families wasn't their job. They were field operatives combating resistance fighters and communist partisans.
The Jews they massacred (man, woman, and child) as per their orders, in the killings where they documented how many hundreds of Jews each detachment killed every day, were not all part of the resistance.

Thanks for the videos. However, newsreel war propaganda is hardly a source of unbiased information. I haven't the time right now to look for it, but there's unedited footage of US soldiers "liberating" Paris being shoved and spat upon by French civilians.
Your propaganda vs. mine. Since the U.S. is also a brutal empire, there is no doubt there was also some popular resistance to their invasion. The fact remains that the Nazis were widely hated.

There's also documentation of camp prisoners choosing to run with German soldiers rather than be "liberated" by oncoming Russian forces.
You mean, of prisoners forced on death marches to keep the Soviets from uncovering the evidence of their treatment.
 

EatTheRich

President
That summation of left & right isn't one most people would use. Still, by that measure, Nat'l Socialists were and are left-wing. No movement (Nat'l Socialism isn't just a political movement) in history ever lifted the masses more or benefited people of all classes together as much.
That, subsequently, the ultra-rich gained greatly from a war they instigated while the masses suffered doesn't change that.
The Nazis immediately started screwing over the masses, breaking their unions, arresting anyone who spoke up on their behalf, robbing and plundering. By the time war was effected, largely through their agency, they had already made half of Europe miserable.
 

Emily

NSDAP Kanzler
Actually, it’s a fact. And facts don’t care about your feelings.
You: A mother has a new child when the fetus exits the womb and turns into a child.
Me: That's an opinion. It's one with which many, many people disagree.
You: Actually, it’s a fact.
No, it isn't. By no standard is it a fact. It's a definition of a word chosen by some pro-abortionists. Facts don't care about anyone's feelings but people's feelings care about facts. Some facts: Children in the womb have heartbeats, have cognitive brain function, feel pain, and behave in numerous ways like living children. Some people care about that kind of thing.

On race as having no biological basis: https://www.amren.com/news/2017/08/the-genetics-of-race/
et al

Play semantics with definitions of "race" or "child" all you like; it's agenda-driven, not scientific.
 

Emily

NSDAP Kanzler
The Jews they massacred (man, woman, and child) as per their orders, in the killings where they documented how many hundreds of Jews each detachment killed every day, were not all part of the resistance.
That large numbers of communist partisans were jews wasn't the soldiers' fault.
Please provide primary documentary proof that the Einsatzgruppen were ordered to massacre and massacred innocent jewish men, woman, and children.
Your propaganda vs. mine. Since the U.S. is also a brutal empire, there is no doubt there was also some popular resistance to their invasion. The fact remains that the Nazis were widely hated.
In agreement up to the last sentence there. The National Socialists were hated by their enemies, ideological and military; not by the German masses, their allies, or all the others they tried to help.
You mean, of prisoners forced on death marches to keep the Soviets from uncovering the evidence of their treatment.
I meant exactly what I said: 'camp prisoners choosing to run with German soldiers rather than be "liberated" by oncoming Russian forces.' See, for example, "Night" by Ellie Wiesel. Forced death marches are yet more victors' propaganda with little support in the facts. The ACTUAL evidence of how the prisoners were treated was suppressed and replaced by tall tales the Allies wished told, as in the purported documentary filmwork of Billy Wilder. Modern communications technologies have allowed the real truth to be spread. Which side's treatment of prisoners was exemplary and which brutal isn't as we were taught; the evidence of this is overwhelming.
 

Emily

NSDAP Kanzler
The Nazis immediately started screwing over the masses, breaking their unions, arresting anyone who spoke up on their behalf, robbing and plundering. By the time war was effected, largely through their agency, they had already made half of Europe miserable.
Again with you, I find myself quoting Luke Skywalker: "Amazing: Every word of what you just said is wrong." Pure communist propaganda.
The masses never had it better, and communists can't stand that fact. Communists, usurers, pornographers, and jews (largely synonymous) were targeted, assuring the enmity of communists then and ever. The unions broken were communist and were replaced, and communists can't abide non-communist labor solidarity. Worker-employer relations improved greatly, removing the raison d'etre of communism. Communist agitators were arrested, so communists claim that anyone who spoke up on behalf of workers was arrested. Germany's efforts to keep peace were enormous but denied by England and Poland.
I've posted links about all of this several times.
 
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