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So instead of a slaughter in Israel. They could have ambushed those Hamas fighters ?

Spamature

President
So Israel had at least a year to prepare for the attack they knew was coming. Every place that was attacked could have been filled with armed and waiting Israeli forces equipped to completely devastate the terrorist who attacked them and prevented the kidnappings of people from around the world. Instead, they decided to wait, do nothing, and then slaughter innocent women and children themselves in an attempt to cover up or even justify their actions.

The Israeli govt postures themselves as the victims of a sneak attack no one saw coming.
In reality, they are co conspirators in this atrocity they had the power to prevent.
 

condorkristy

Mostly Liberal
So Israel had at least a year to prepare for the attack they knew was coming. Every place that was attacked could have been filled with armed and waiting Israeli forces equipped to completely devastate the terrorist who attacked them and prevented the kidnappings of people from around the world. Instead, they decided to wait, do nothing, and then slaughter innocent women and children themselves in an attempt to cover up or even justify their actions.

The Israeli govt postures themselves as the victims of a sneak attack no one saw coming.
In reality, they are co conspirators in this atrocity they had the power to prevent.
Ahh bullshit.

They had no idea when it was going to take place.
 

Spamature

President
Ahh bullshit.

They had no idea when it was going to take place.
How does it matter when, since they knew all the details of the plan ?
They could have prepared for what they were going to do regardless of when they were going to do it. As a matter of fact, had they put assets in place to deal with the attack, Hamas would likely have never gone through with it. Instead, they just waited for those people to be slaughtered by terrorists. All it would have taken was border surveillance and forces ready to move should something happen. They had the who, what, why, where and how. At that point, "the when", didn't even matter.
 

Jack4freedom

Governor
How does it matter when, since they knew all the details of the plan ?
They could have prepared for what they were going to do regardless of when they were going to do it. As a matter of fact, had they put assets in place to deal with the attack, Hamas would likely have never gone through with it. Instead, they just waited for those people to be slaughtered by terrorists. All it would have taken was border surveillance and forces ready to move should something happen. They had the who, what, why, where and how. At that point, "the when", didn't even matter.
Netanyahu was more focused on his Hitleresque take over of Israeli Courts (against the will of 70% of Israelis) to focus on the security of those who elected him. If one good thing comes out of this horrible debacle, it will be Bibi getting tossed out of office and possibly jailed for corruption. Both Israel and the Palestinians need new leadership.
 

Spamature

President
Netanyahu was more focused on his Hitleresque take over of Israeli Courts (against the will of 70% of Israelis) to focus on the security of those who elected him. If one good thing comes out of this horrible debacle, it will be Bibi getting tossed out of office and possibly jailed for corruption. Both Israel and the Palestinians need new leadership.
It still can never outweigh the bad that came out of it.
Especially when the bad is just getting worse every single day.
There is no difference between forced evacuations from Erez (the northernmost city in Gaza) to Rahfa (the southernmost city on the Egyptian border), than there is in the idea of from the river to the sea.
 

Jack4freedom

Governor
It still can never outweigh the bad that came out of it.
Especially when the bad is just getting worse every single day.
There is no difference between forced evacuations from Erez (the northernmost city in Gaza) to Rahfa (the southernmost city on the Egyptian border), than there is in the idea of from the river to the sea.
Israeli’s and Palestinians should live from the river to the sea under the same laws. Cramming a huge population into these slivers of land are like operating open air prisons. Look at the original borders in 1948 and compare them to today. I would guess that most Palestinians feel that they have been systematically chiseled out of their land and freedom for 75 years and counting.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
So Israel had at least a year to prepare for the attack they knew was coming. Every place that was attacked could have been filled with armed and waiting Israeli forces equipped to completely devastate the terrorist who attacked them and prevented the kidnappings of people from around the world. Instead, they decided to wait, do nothing, and then slaughter innocent women and children themselves in an attempt to cover up or even justify their actions.

The Israeli govt postures themselves as the victims of a sneak attack no one saw coming.
In reality, they are co conspirators in this atrocity they had the power to prevent.
A year ago they had a plan somehow picked up from an intel source. They had no idea if it would actually be implemented. The US has war plans for a million scenarios. Should every country on the planet get ready for war with the US?
 

Jack4freedom

Governor
A year ago they had a plan somehow picked up from an intel source. They had no idea if it would actually be implemented. The US has war plans for a million scenarios. Should every country on the planet get ready for war with the US?
That does not excuse Netanyahu and his team for their gross negligence….He’s gotta go. He has always been a part of the problem. He is Israel’s Trump.
 

Boltlady

Mayor
So Israel had at least a year to prepare for the attack they knew was coming. Every place that was attacked could have been filled with armed and waiting Israeli forces equipped to completely devastate the terrorist who attacked them and prevented the kidnappings of people from around the world. Instead, they decided to wait, do nothing, and then slaughter innocent women and children themselves in an attempt to cover up or even justify their actions.

The Israeli govt postures themselves as the victims of a sneak attack no one saw coming.
In reality, they are co conspirators in this atrocity they had the power to prevent.
Came across the following earlier today that said some more about what happened that day involving the IDF. I didn't try to look further so I don't know how reliable this is but you might want to check this article out.
Israel admits its military killed hundreds of Israeli citizens at October 7 music festival, then blamed Hamas

We rarely get the whole story about much of anything.

 

Spamature

President
Israeli’s and Palestinians should live from the river to the sea under the same laws. Cramming a huge population into these slivers of land are like operating open air prisons. Look at the original borders in 1948 and compare them to today. I would guess that most Palestinians feel that they have been systematically chiseled out of their land and freedom for 75 years and counting.
It's starting to look as if maybe more land and definitely more freedom will be taken with this current military action.

It is like the quote from the batman movie.


Talia al Ghul : You see, it's the slow knife... the knife that takes its time, the knife that waits years without forgetting, then slips quietly between the bones... that's the knife that cuts deepest.
 

Spamature

President
A year ago they had a plan somehow picked up from an intel source. They had no idea if it would actually be implemented. The US has war plans for a million scenarios. Should every country on the planet get ready for war with the US?
Would you excuse Bush for 9/11 if he had, had detailed information on AQ's plan and a history of something like that having happened to us in the past ?
 

Spamature

President
Came across the following earlier today that said some more about what happened that day involving the IDF. I didn't try to look further so I don't know how reliable this is but you might want to check this article out.
Israel admits its military killed hundreds of Israeli citizens at October 7 music festival, then blamed Hamas

We rarely get the whole story about much of anything.

I don't think the source your article depends on is really all that reliable.
But who knows until there is a deeper look into what happened.
Maybe it should be an international uninvolved group who investigates.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Would you excuse Bush for 9/11 if he had, had detailed information on AQ's plan and a history of something like that having happened to us in the past ?
The real problem in the summer off 2001 was that there were people running around telling Rice and others that an attack was imminent.
 

condorkristy

Mostly Liberal
How does it matter when, since they knew all the details of the plan ?
They could have prepared for what they were going to do regardless of when they were going to do it. As a matter of fact, had they put assets in place to deal with the attack, Hamas would likely have never gone through with it. Instead, they just waited for those people to be slaughtered by terrorists. All it would have taken was border surveillance and forces ready to move should something happen. They had the who, what, why, where and how. At that point, "the when", didn't even matter.
Constant vigilance for an entire year is not practical. Hamas is a terrorist organization that did exactly what terrorists do...they hit soft targets. Blaming the victims of terrorism is something that is only done by people who are not sophisticated enough to understand what they are talking about.

That being said, Israel should have been better prepared. But to the point to where they could have prevented it? Not possible. The allegation that they were complicit is pure bullshit.
 

protectionist

Governor
Constant vigilance for an entire year is not practical. Hamas is a terrorist organization that did exactly what terrorists do...they hit soft targets. Blaming the victims of terrorism is something that is only done by people who are not sophisticated enough to understand what they are talking about.

That being said, Israel should have been better prepared. But to the point to where they could have prevented it? Not possible. The allegation that they were complicit is pure bullshit.
I agree they were not complicit, but to say it isnt possible for Israel to have prevented it is ridiculous. Hamas struck where they did because they knew they had a soft target, not well defended, with a large % of Israelis there totally UNARMED.

This should be a lesson to gun control advocates in the US. If you have a gun free zone, somebody is going to come along and exploit it, as mass shooters here have done time and time again.

For Israelis to be living in close proximity to Hamas in Gaza, and be unarmed, is extreme stupidity amd suicide.

https://thefederalist.com/2023/10/09/israel-loosens-strict-gun-control-laws-to-arm-as-many-citizens-as-possible/

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EatTheRich

President
Came across the following earlier today that said some more about what happened that day involving the IDF. I didn't try to look further so I don't know how reliable this is but you might want to check this article out.
Israel admits its military killed hundreds of Israeli citizens at October 7 music festival, then blamed Hamas

We rarely get the whole story about much of anything.

Natural News is a garbage source FYI.
 
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