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Do you know what blocks your view of the stars? The atmosphere. Honest. Light is diffused in a gas, any gas, so when sunlight hits our atmosphere (or man made light will do this also) the atmosphere lights up. The lit atmosphere blocks out the stars behind it. If you travel past the atmosphere, there is nothing to block the stars, space doesn't diffuse light. The sun is just a closer star, it only blocks the stars directly behind it. 99.9999% of the Milky Way galaxy is not going to be blocked by our sun. Get beyond the atmosphere and you have nothing between you and the stars.

Gerald P Carr, commander of Skylab 4, was my college best friend's dad. I've been over to his place and remember asking him, "What was the thing that struck you the most being in space?" His answer was immediate, "the stars". I was kind of surprised, I was expecting something a little more technical. I asked him, why the stars? He said they were just incredible, every where you looked the sky was chock full of stars, they were so bright and spectacular to look at.

 

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Let's touch back on fuel consumption. Here's a trick math question:

The earth is 8000 miles in diameter. If it takes Johnny, the astro-Not, 2 giant booster rockets to fly 250 miles high at 17,000 mph... how many booster rockets does Johnny need to increase speed to 25,000 mph and reach 1000 miles high?

extra credit:

how many booster rockets does Johnny need to fly 4000 miles high at 25,000 mph?

And finally, how many rocket boosters does NASA supply Johnny for his trip to the moon?

two.

... that's enough to make it into low earth orbit, and return to the earth.

The earth's gravity is supposed to weaken real fast as you travel away from the earth; so at 4000 miles away from earth, gravitational pull is only 1/4 what it is on the earth's surface. sounds pretty weak, but let's work with it.

Let's work this out. Dividing the trip to 4000 miles by 250 mile segments, we get 16 stages of 250 miles each. So, using two rocket boosters for the first stage and dividing the strength of gravitational pull to come out 25% at 4000 miles we find we need for each stage:

1) 2 rocket boosters
2) 1.9 rocket boosters
3) 1.8 rocket boosters
4) 1.7 rocket boosters
5) 1.6 rocket boosters
6) 1.5 rocket boosters
7) 1.4 rocket boosters
8) 1.3 rocket boosters
9) 1.2 rocket boosters
10) 1.1 rocket boosters
11) 1 rocket booster
12) 0.9 of a rocket booster
13) 0.8 of a rocket booster
14) 0.7 of a rocket booster
15) 0.6 of a rocket booster
16) 0.5 of a rocket booster

So, the answer to the first question is ...
it takes Johnny - at least - 7.4 rocket boosters to reach 1000 miles high.

And the answer to the extra credit question is ...
it takes Johnny - at least - 20 rocket boosters to reach 4000 miles high.

And the Apollo missions didn't even make it 250 miles high. I've been asking this simple question for a decade, because there's no way to get around it, if you required 2 giant booster rockets just to reach low earth orbit, how did the same cabin and crew make it all the rest of the way to the moon on the fuel left in the command module? The earth's gravitational pull is still 95% at 250 miles up, if you have used up all your fuel... you are not going any higher.

So, let's look at the command module, how much fuel did it carry? Try to figure out where that fuel was stored...


This is why the exhibit at Smithsonian has little green men, 3 feet tall in space suits... to make you believe they fit in that capsule. Another quickie.... The LEM sat on top of the command module, it was accessed by the top hatch in the command module. Okay, but how about the consumables? Where was all that stored? Would you believe...

 
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Let's touch back on fuel consumption. Here's a trick math question:

The earth is 8000 miles in diameter. If it takes Johnny, the astro-Not, 2 giant booster rockets to fly 250 miles high at 17,000 mph... how many booster rockets does Johnny need to increase speed to 25,000 mph and reach 1000 miles high?

extra credit:

how many booster rockets does Johnny need to fly 4000 miles high at 25,000 mph?

And finally, how many rocket boosters does NASA supply Johnny for his trip to the moon?

two.

... that's enough to make it into low earth orbit, and return to the earth.

The earth's gravity is supposed to weaken real fast as you travel away from the earth; so at 4000 miles away from earth, gravitational pull is only 1/4 what it is on the earth's surface. sounds pretty weak, but let's work with it.

Let's work this out. Dividing the trip to 4000 miles by 250 mile segments, we get 16 stages of 250 miles each. So, using two rocket boosters for the first stage and dividing the strength of gravitational pull to come out 25% at 4000 miles we find we need for each stage:

1) 2 rocket boosters
2) 1.9 rocket boosters
3) 1.8 rocket boosters
4) 1.7 rocket boosters
5) 1.6 rocket boosters
6) 1.5 rocket boosters
7) 1.4 rocket boosters
8) 1.3 rocket boosters
9) 1.2 rocket boosters
10) 1.1 rocket boosters
11) 1 rocket booster
12) 0.9 of a rocket booster
13) 0.8 of a rocket booster
14) 0.7 of a rocket booster
15) 0.6 of a rocket booster
16) 0.5 of a rocket booster

So, the answer to the first question is ...
it takes Johnny - at least - 7.4 rocket boosters to reach 1000 miles high.

And the answer to the extra credit question is ...
it takes Johnny - at least - 20 rocket boosters to reach 4000 miles high.

And the Apollo missions didn't even make it 250 miles high. I've been asking this simple question for a decade, because there's no way to get around it, if you required 2 giant booster rockets just to reach low earth orbit, how did the same cabin and crew make it all the rest of the way to the moon on the fuel left in the command module? The earth's gravitational pull is still 95% at 250 miles up, if you have used up all your fuel... you are not going any higher.

So, let's look at the command module, how much fuel did it carry? Try to figure out where that fuel was stored...


This is why the exhibit at Smithsonian has little green men, 3 feet tall in space suits... to make you believe they fit in that capsule. Another quickie.... The LEM sat on top of the command module, it was accessed by the top hatch in the command module. Okay, but how about the consumables? Where was all that stored? Would you believe...

Is it sinking in yet? Apollo Saturn 5 rockets were 3 stage rockets; which, the first stage consisted of a LEM, command module, and service module; which was actually two mini rockets connected by a hatch, (the LEM was upside down) all sitting on top of two rocket boosters that were much larger, all the fuel was in the lower two stages, and those two rocket boosters were burned up in strict fashion; the first and largest rocket booster burned for about 15 minutes and raised the rocket to 200 miles and it was spent and discarded, then the 2nd rocket booster burned for another 15 minutes and sped the craft to 17,000 mph (speed of orbit) and it was spent and discarded, at which point, all that was left was the command module rocket which was packed with men, equipment, and supplies... so, just 30 minutes after blast off, all you had was the command module in orbit and there was no fuel left to go any higher. Since, there was no way to access the service module from the command module, and everything needed for the time in space was in the service module, the only thing left to do was orbit for a while, then return to earth. There was no food or water for the crew, that stuff was all in the service module; there was no space walks on the Apollo missions.

Apollo missions were 3 stage rockets that spent the 2 booster rockets making it into low earth orbit. So that was their full capacity of flight, 95% of the rocket fuel was in the thick lower stages, that was the rocket, the rocket is spent getting off the ground and into low earth orbit, then the entire rocket is spent, discarded, and the trip is over, folks. No where to go but down from there. In all likelihood, the real purpose of the LEM rocket was to slow the craft down, so that it fell out of orbit, then turn it so it pointed up, at which point the LEM was jettisoned and the command rocket was used to descend back to earth, finally the service module, which was really filled with fuel, was discarded, and the command capsule popped its parachutes. Days later, the astronauts performed yet another landing exercise where they were dropped from a C130 cargo plane, popped their chutes, and floated to earth right on target for the cameras.
 

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Is it sinking in yet? Apollo Saturn 5 rockets were 3 stage rockets; which, the first stage consisted of a LEM, command module, and service module; which was actually two mini rockets connected by a hatch, (the LEM was upside down) all sitting on top of two rocket boosters that were much larger, all the fuel was in the lower two stages, and those two rocket boosters were burned up in strict fashion; the first and largest rocket booster burned for about 15 minutes and raised the rocket to 200 miles and it was spent and discarded, then the 2nd rocket booster burned for another 15 minutes and sped the craft to 17,000 mph (speed of orbit) and it was spent and discarded, at which point, all that was left was the command module rocket which was packed with men, equipment, and supplies... so, just 30 minutes after blast off, all you had was the command module in orbit and there was no fuel left to go any higher. Since, there was no way to access the service module from the command module, and everything needed for the time in space was in the service module, the only thing left to do was orbit for a while, then return to earth. There was no food or water for the crew, that stuff was all in the service module; there was no space walks on the Apollo missions.

Apollo missions were 3 stage rockets that spent the 2 booster rockets making it into low earth orbit. So that was their full capacity of flight, 95% of the rocket fuel was in the thick lower stages, that was the rocket, the rocket is spent getting off the ground and into low earth orbit, then the entire rocket is spent, discarded, and the trip is over, folks. No where to go but down from there. In all likelihood, the real purpose of the LEM rocket was to slow the craft down, so that it fell out of orbit, then turn it so it pointed up, at which point the LEM was jettisoned and the command rocket was used to descend back to earth, finally the service module, which was really filled with fuel, was discarded, and the command capsule popped its parachutes. Days later, the astronauts performed yet another landing exercise where they were dropped from a C130 cargo plane, popped their chutes, and floated to earth right on target for the cameras.
The moon hoax was performed by making a movie in advance at their moon studios, which they did for every mission and admitted they were doing - as training exercises - they had full studio production going to make the movie, right down to projection on rails to depict the moon landing. Then they also bought the same radar equipment used to broadcast from the SEP 1964 Tokyo Olympics, the first television broadcast to bounce off the Pacific geostationary satellite, which was also the first successful geosat Clark orbit, just launched earlier that year. This was cutting edge technology for 1965, which was when all the Apollo mission equipment was ordered and paid for. So they built a 3 stage rocket that was only capable of low earth orbit and they made moon movies in a studio and on location in the Arizona desert, then they broadcast their moon movies utilizing the new satellite, only hitch being the signal was originally fuzzy as hell because of the way they tore that signal apart and reconstructed it, but they anticipated problems so they added the 200 foot micro dish in Australia to their (2) 85 foot dishes, which were the same 85 foot dishes built for Apollo that they just began using for the new Clark orbit (22,000 miles up; 1/10th the distance to the moon) satellite. This was back in the day of analog television signals - before digital - so range was a serious issue.

The point I'm making is simple; the entire mission was designed from the gitgo to go into low earth orbit, return, then broadcast pre-made moon movies on and off for a week, utilizing the new geostationary Pacific satellite, and radar that was conveniently based on our west coast and Australia, in line of sight to the Pacific satellite (the geo stationary orbit remains fixed to the middle of the Pacific ocean). So, the rocket can't go any higher than low earth orbit, the movie production was in full swing before each mission, and the broadcast equipment was totally built to bounce a signal off of the Pacific satellite.

So you don't die stupid, stop believing stupid Apollo lies from NASA, the entire program was designed to go into low earth orbit and return to earth. It was the next step in space exploration and it was quite an achievement. What amazes me is NASA had the audacity to add a one ton dune buggy to the payload and pretend they needed no adjustment to their rocket fuel... I guess when space flight is so easy that you can make adjustments to your flight path with a simple calculator by hand! ... funny how all that 1960's technology worked like a charm at 25,000 mph. And let's not forget, the moon missions were flown during solar maximum, when deadly solar flares were constantly filling "outer space" - space beyond 350 miles up. They put dosimeters on the Apollo rockets and all the missions returned with no radiation, hence, they never left low earth orbit, but NASA covered for that by saying there was no radiation is space, they even had Van Allen himself retract his estimates of radiation in the belts, which would have been buzzing with solar maximum, and they lied through their teeth about every last solar flare that happened during the missions - claiming that there was zero activity for every single mission. Decades later, I found in the journals at NASA letters from Sun studies to the Apollo engineers, asking why they had said the solar flares didn't happen, and the response (inter departmental response, never made public) was, "my bad, yep there was bunch of flares and here's the magnetic charge for each of them" ... and with that, sun studies could confirm their data against the magnetic measurements that Apollo engineers recorded ... and then lied to the public and pretended didn't happen.

About half a decade before our Apollo missions took place, the Soviets sent a dog up into the Van Allen belts, the mission flew an orbit for 11 or 12 days in the radiation belts, then returned. The dog died. The Soviets claimed the dog lived for 10 days. Decades later, Russia declassified those docs and we learned the dog died on the first day in the Van Allen belts. People argue that Apollo missions would have flown through the radiation belts before the radiation dose got very big, but then they have to pretend that the direct exposure to solar flares was no big deal... even though we now know that one major flare would have been deadly ... all of this ignores the dosimeter readings for the missions that plainly read zero, they never entered the Van Allen belts, let alone space beyond the belts. Indeed, their rocket stages were only capable of reaching low earth orbit. And the moon movies had range limitation to the Clark orbit (22,000 miles out, 1/10th the way to the moon). The entire mission was low earth orbit by design! NASA only put dosimeters on Apollo craft so they could record radiation in low earth orbit... because they intended to continue to fly manned missions into low earth orbit. DUH
 
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The moon hoax was performed by making a movie in advance at their moon studios, which they did for every mission and admitted they were doing - as training exercises - they had full studio production going to make the movie, right down to projection on rails to depict the moon landing. Then they also bought the same radar equipment used to broadcast from the SEP 1964 Tokyo Olympics, the first television broadcast to bounce off the Pacific geostationary satellite, which was also the first successful geosat Clark orbit, just launched earlier that year. This was cutting edge technology for 1965, which was when all the Apollo mission equipment was ordered and paid for. So they built a 3 stage rocket that was only capable of low earth orbit and they made moon movies in a studio and on location in the Arizona desert, then they broadcast their moon movies utilizing the new satellite, only hitch being the signal was originally fuzzy as hell because of the way they tore that signal apart and reconstructed it, but they anticipated problems so they added the 200 foot micro dish in Australia to their (2) 85 foot dishes, which were the same 85 foot dishes built for Apollo that they just began using for the new Clark orbit (22,000 miles up; 1/10th the distance to the moon) satellite. This was back in the day of analog television signals - before digital - so range was a serious issue.

The point I'm making is simple; the entire mission was designed from the gitgo to go into low earth orbit, return, then broadcast pre-made moon movies on and off for a week, utilizing the new geostationary Pacific satellite, and radar that was conveniently based on our west coast and Australia, in line of sight to the Pacific satellite (the geo stationary orbit remains fixed to the middle of the Pacific ocean). So, the rocket can't go any higher than low earth orbit, the movie production was in full swing before each mission, and the broadcast equipment was totally built to bounce a signal off of the Pacific satellite.

So you don't die stupid, stop believing stupid Apollo lies from NASA, the entire program was designed to go into low earth orbit and return to earth. It was the next step in space exploration and it was quite an achievement. What amazes me is NASA had the audacity to add a one ton dune buggy to the payload and pretend they needed no adjustment to their rocket fuel... I guess when space flight is so easy that you can make adjustments to your flight path with a simple calculator by hand! ... funny how all that 1960's technology worked like a charm at 25,000 mph. And let's not forget, the moon missions were flown during solar maximum, when deadly solar flares were constantly filling "outer space" - space beyond 350 miles up. They put dosimeters on the Apollo rockets and all the missions returned with no radiation, hence, they never left low earth orbit, but NASA covered for that by saying there was no radiation is space, they even had Van Allen himself retract his estimates of radiation in the belts, which would have been buzzing with solar maximum, and they lied through their teeth about every last solar flare that happened during the missions - claiming that there was zero activity for every single mission. Decades later, I found in the journals at NASA letters from Sun studies to the Apollo engineers, asking why they had said the solar flares didn't happen, and the response (inter departmental response, never made public) was, "my bad, yep there was bunch of flares and here's the magnetic charge for each of them" ... and with that, sun studies could confirm their data against the magnetic measurements that Apollo engineers recorded ... and then lied to the public and pretended didn't happen.

About half a decade before our Apollo missions took place, the Soviets sent a dog up into the Van Allen belts, the mission flew an orbit for 11 or 12 days in the radiation belts, then returned. The dog died. The Soviets claimed the dog lived for 10 days. Decades later, Russia declassified those docs and we learned the dog died on the first day in the Van Allen belts. People argue that Apollo missions would have flown through the radiation belts before the radiation dose got very big, but then they have to pretend that the direct exposure to solar flares was no big deal... even though we now know that one major flare would have been deadly ... all of this ignores the dosimeter readings for the missions that plainly read zero, they never entered the Van Allen belts, let alone space beyond the belts. Indeed, their rocket stages were only capable of reaching low earth orbit. And the moon movies had range limitation to the Clark orbit (22,000 miles out, 1/10th the way to the moon). The entire mission was low earth orbit by design! NASA only put dosimeters on Apollo craft so they could record radiation in low earth orbit... because they intended to continue to fly manned missions into low earth orbit. DUH


The magnetosphere of the earth traps high energy particles (the highest being 50-100 mv protons) spilled from the sun during solar flares (Solar Particle Events). The more intense the solar storm that fills the Van Allen belts, the more intense the radiation is that the magnetosphere traps. The most intense ions (100 mega-volt protons) can hold their charge for ten years, but they slowly die down, so it is important to avoid solar maximum, if you are insane enough to fly into the radiation belts. The worst solar storm of the 20th century happened just two weeks before the Apollo 17 mission. That mission returned with just 2 REM on its dosimeters, which means they never even went close to the radiation belts. There were also multiple solar particle events that happened during the Apollo missions which would have been just as lethal as the radiation belts were during the Apollo 17 mission. Apollo 11 might have survived the radiation belts, but not the solar flare that was firing while the astronauts supposedly walked on the moon. Five to six hundred REM at one time would have been enough to kill a man ... that's about what happened during the Apollo 11 mission. They returned with 1/7th of a REM on their dosimeters... all the missions returned with less than a single REM except Apollo 17, everyone flew in low earth orbit and likely used the LEM rocket and the command capsule rocket to slow down and re enter the earth's atmosphere. The Apollo missions took place in low earth orbit, which was quite an achievement. What a shame that they are forever tainted with the moon hoax.
 

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Is it sinking in yet? Apollo Saturn 5 rockets were 3 stage rockets; which, the first stage consisted of a LEM, command module, and service module; which was actually two mini rockets connected by a hatch, (the LEM was upside down) all sitting on top of two rocket boosters that were much larger, all the fuel was in the lower two stages, and those two rocket boosters were burned up in strict fashion; the first and largest rocket booster burned for about 15 minutes and raised the rocket to 200 miles and it was spent and discarded, then the 2nd rocket booster burned for another 15 minutes and sped the craft to 17,000 mph (speed of orbit) and it was spent and discarded, at which point, all that was left was the command module rocket which was packed with men, equipment, and supplies... so, just 30 minutes after blast off, all you had was the command module in orbit and there was no fuel left to go any higher. Since, there was no way to access the service module from the command module, and everything needed for the time in space was in the service module, the only thing left to do was orbit for a while, then return to earth. There was no food or water for the crew, that stuff was all in the service module; there was no space walks on the Apollo missions.

Apollo missions were 3 stage rockets that spent the 2 booster rockets making it into low earth orbit. So that was their full capacity of flight, 95% of the rocket fuel was in the thick lower stages, that was the rocket, the rocket is spent getting off the ground and into low earth orbit, then the entire rocket is spent, discarded, and the trip is over, folks. No where to go but down from there. In all likelihood, the real purpose of the LEM rocket was to slow the craft down, so that it fell out of orbit, then turn it so it pointed up, at which point the LEM was jettisoned and the command rocket was used to descend back to earth, finally the service module, which was really filled with fuel, was discarded, and the command capsule popped its parachutes. Days later, the astronauts performed yet another landing exercise where they were dropped from a C130 cargo plane, popped their chutes, and floated to earth right on target for the cameras.
If you continue to scrutinize manned space flight right down to the present day, it is hard to believe that it ever really happened. Too many things make no sense. Too many times things went wrong and exposed their lies, too many times things went right and exposed their lies.

Look at this latest mishap in Russia. The Russian space ship was supposedly bringing food and supplies to the crew that is supposedly SOL on the intl space station right now. There was supposedly one cosmonaut and one American in the capsule. The missile did what so many missiles have done over time, it flipped and headed straight back down to earth, then exploded. This time it happened when they jettisoned the first rocket booster. Okay, there's nothing left of that rocket, it disintegrated into a giant fireball. What explodes first? The pressurized cabin or the rocket booster? The pressurized cabin; there is no oxygen in the rocket booster. The rocket booster would burn from the heat on the skin, but it wouldn't explode, it is the pressurized cabin that is exploding. The pressurized cabin would always explode if it entered the atmosphere at 17,000 mph, to think otherwise is incredulously gullible and just plain stupid.

So what did they do? They didn't want to have to hide these two guys the rest of their lives like the way they were forced to do with the Challenger crew. So they made the outrageous claim that the space capsule successfully ejected from the exploding rocket booster... nevermind there is no such emergency ejection for the entire space capsule, nevermind that the space capsule would have exploded before the rocket booster, nevermind that the capsule has no heat shield in front so it was toast anyway, even if they pulled off such a maneuver, all these incredible lies that will never ever be talked about or even asked them by the fake news media. They weren't ready to pull the cargo drop from an airplane so they just had the astronauts gear up at their hideout, go out into the street and ride around in some official vehicles, then floated the story that they just landed... without a scratch. No pics of the capsule they landed in, why would anyone take a picture of that? Of course not.

So the official story is so outrageous, and here we go again, no one questions any of it. Up and down it is totally impossible, but that's the magic of the space programs, they have carte blanche to lie. Remember, the official explanation for how those parachutes work is the space capsule slows down from 17,000 mph to what? 300 mph? just from hitting the atmosphere. They won't give that speed, but how fast can you go and still have those parachutes work? At what speed are they ripped right off as soon as they open? That hocus pocus was never going to work, but just for the fun of it, lets look at a meteorite, and let's see how much they slow down from hitting the atmosphere... ooops! Yeah, that doesn't work, there is a big difference between not accelerating from air friction and slowing down from air friction. If you are already slow to begin with, and you are light as a human with your arms spread wide, you won't accelerate too much, but if you are shaped like a rock, made out of metal, and travelling at 17,000 mph (In the case of Apollo make it 25,000 mph) you won't slow down very much... not that it matters, because as soon as the space capsule hits that oxygen, it heats up to 4000 degrees immediately and explodes, the aluminum melts from solid state into a liquid state at 1100 degrees, the explosion is immediate, the space capsule is not there to slow down, it is disintegrated. None of these capsules make it back to earth, there's a ton of space junk in orbit around the earth and every bit of it burns up the moment it hits oxygen, a pressurized cabin is going to explode, oxygen explodes, it is that simple. You can run a car on the oxygen explosion, all it takes is heat, just one spark to set it off, you don't need the entire capsule encircled with 1000 degrees, but that would definitely work. And that's all the hotter it would get, because the aluminum melts, the heat hits the oxygen in the pressurized cabin and it explodes, how is it going to reach 4000 degrees? It explodes long before it hits 1500 degrees. 4000 degrees would melt tungsten steel into a pool of liquid, nevermind aluminum, nobody has ever hit aluminum with an acetylene torch, that's overkill.

This latest rocket turned down and the 2nd stage rocket booster blasted it straight down to mother earth, like so many rockets have done, do you really believe they put humans into those rockets? We know they didn't put these astronauts onboard because they were safe and sound on the ground. We found the entire crew of the Challenger disaster living out their normal lives, sometimes under the same name. That teacher went right back to the same University and returned to teaching, no one is going to think she's the same person that died on the Challenger. The pretend landing on a runway like a glider... with a rocket... ever ask how does a rocket glide? It doesn't, period. Hell, jets don't even glide, they need their engines on to make a landing. And funny enough, go listen to the landings again of those vehicles, every time, you will hear the jet engines, so what is landing? A jet made up to look like the space craft.

It is all lies. Nothing comes back from orbit. The only thing sent into space is probes, not humans. You know why Russia never said boo about the faked Apollo missions to the moon? Because, Russia was doing the same thing, is still doing the same thing, all manned space flight is a lie. Cry me a river over your lost heroes. I can tell you, my best friend in college definitely believes his dad spent 84 days in space commanding skylab 4, I definitely believed it too, back when his dad was my landlord also. Now I look back on those days and laugh. I asked Gerry what impressed him most about space? He said, "the stars" ... stars he supposedly saw in low earth orbit. funny answer that.
 
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You will die just as stupid as you lived
you will get banned for your trolling long before I die.

By the way, what you are doing is called stalking. Trolling is different, trolling is when you run chubb behind your boat; IOW, try to get replies with some kind of bait, trolling is not near as bad as stalking. Stalking is when you follow someone around and post at the poster, instead of content. Stalking is why rules of the road were written, stalking destroys a forum. You are already a notorious stalker in this forum.

So, BD, how long until this stalker gets perma-banned? It is him or the forum... you can't have both.
 

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this is interesting. India put up a probe to take visible light photos of Mars. check this out....

What did India’s Mars Orbiter Mission see over Mars? MOM Mangalyaan ISRO
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