Thanks Fareed Zakaria

[georgephillip]

When did Iran come into the conversation?

Do you know something that we don't?

I hope not.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6720153.stm

 

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I hope not.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6720153.stm

Sorry George, I don't read sites that aren't https

 

[georgephillip]

Sorry George, I don't read sites that aren't https

My bad.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6720153.stm

 

[middleview]

Putin's Special Military Operation keeps the lights on in Kiev as opposed to Fallujah. Putin's defending his border from a NATO puppet installed by an illegal coup designed to force regime change in Moscow. The US has displaced millions of innocent civilians since 1945 for economic gain and Ukrainians are the latest (but not its last) victims.

https://peoplesdispatch.org/2023/03/31/the-simple-reason-why-the-us-wants-full-spectrum-dominance-of-the-earth/

Stalin confiscated grain from Ukraine and the result was millions of people starved to death.
Russia invaded Hungary in 1956...why? Because they strayed from the party line.
They invaded Czechoslovakia in 1968...why? Same reason. They put up an iron curtain across Europe. Why? Because people chose to escape. A wall divided Berlin. Why? Too many people escaped their chains.
The Russians put a Russian army officer in control of North Korea...and set up the North Korean army for invasion.
Why did Russia invade Afghanistan? Why did they murder Amin?

 

[middleview]

"Washington D.C., May 10, 2017 – The United States’ cautious response to the unexpectedly powerful popular uprising in Hungary in 1956 grew out of the Eisenhower administration’s policy of 'keeping the pot boiling' in Eastern Europe without having it 'boil over' into a possible nuclear conflict, according to an unpublished Defense Department historical study posted for the first time by the National Security Archive at The George Washington University."

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/openness-russia-eastern-europe/2017-05-10/hungary-1956-reviving-debate-over-us

Does this actually condemn the US for not going to war?

 

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My bad.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6720153.stm

You still haven't got it right.

Try again

 

[Raoul_Luke]

In a thread about what Fareed said...you now post that it doesn't matter what he said.

Unreal. Thanks for posting on the topic....

Yes, because he is a gaslighter extraordinaire - which is why you worship him.

 

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Yes, because he is a gaslighter extraordinaire - which is why you worship him.

Who is the gaslighting extraordinaire ?

 

[write on]

Who is the gaslighting extraordinaire ?

Don't fall for their narrative.

You call them out and they go silent.

 

[as seen on tv]

CNN this morning had a 10 or 15 minute segment by Fareed. He compared the US to Russia and China. It was an amazing deconstruction on those who are sure the US is declining and that disaster is imminent. His fact by fact analysis of the US capacity and power was really enlightening. Our strengths are incredible and put the US head and shoulders above our rivals. Our aid for Ukraine has made them a powerful military force capable of tearing down the facade of Russian power and without a single American soldier being in danger. Our ability to produce energy dwarfs any other nation.

I'm sure it will be available on CNN.com. Look it up. The transcript isn't available yet.

CNN.com - Transcripts

A great topic for memorial

 

[middleview]

Yes, because he is a gaslighter extraordinaire - which is why you worship him.

Worship?

 

[georgephillip]

Does this actually condemn the US for not going to war?

It raises the question did Ike intervene in Suez in 1956 to foster expectations in Hungary the west would intercede militarily in their revolution.

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/openness-russia-eastern-europe/2017-05-10/hungary-1956-reviving-debate-over-us

"This study differs markedly from a number of Hungarian, American, and other historical accounts that take a harsher view of U.S. policy, accusing it of cynicism, hypocrisy, and plain obliviousness about the nature of the crisis.

"For one thing, it suggests that the U.N. decision to send an emergency force to the Middle East during the Suez crisis, more than the administration’s rhetoric about loosening Moscow’s ties with the East European satellites or hopes of liberation fostered by Radio Free Europe, was chiefly responsible for any expectations of Western military assistance that Hungarians had."

 

[middleview]

It raises the question did Ike intervene in Suez in 1956 to foster expectations in Hungary the west would intercede militarily in their revolution.

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/openness-russia-eastern-europe/2017-05-10/hungary-1956-reviving-debate-over-us

"This study differs markedly from a number of Hungarian, American, and other historical accounts that take a harsher view of U.S. policy, accusing it of cynicism, hypocrisy, and plain obliviousness about the nature of the crisis.

"For one thing, it suggests that the U.N. decision to send an emergency force to the Middle East during the Suez crisis, more than the administration’s rhetoric about loosening Moscow’s ties with the East European satellites or hopes of liberation fostered by Radio Free Europe, was chiefly responsible for any expectations of Western military assistance that Hungarians had."

Bizarre logic...how does that justify the Russian invasion?

 

[middleview]

Putin's Special Military Operation keeps the lights on in Kiev as opposed to Fallujah. Putin's defending his border from a NATO puppet installed by an illegal coup designed to force regime change in Moscow. The US has displaced millions of innocent civilians since 1945 for economic gain and Ukrainians are the latest (but not its last) victims.

https://peoplesdispatch.org/2023/03/31/the-simple-reason-why-the-us-wants-full-spectrum-dominance-of-the-earth/

Stalin confiscated grain from Ukraine and the result was millions of people starved to death.
Russia invaded Hungary in 1956...why? Because they strayed from the party line.
They invaded Czechoslovakia in 1968...why? Same reason. They put up an iron curtain across Europe. Why? Because people chose to escape. A wall divided Berlin. Why? Too many people escaped their chains.
The Russians put a Russian army officer in control of North Korea...and set up the North Korean army for invasion.
Why did Russia invade Afghanistan? Why did they murder Amin?

 

[middleview]

It raises the question did Ike intervene in Suez in 1956 to foster expectations in Hungary the west would intercede militarily in their revolution.

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/openness-russia-eastern-europe/2017-05-10/hungary-1956-reviving-debate-over-us

"This study differs markedly from a number of Hungarian, American, and other historical accounts that take a harsher view of U.S. policy, accusing it of cynicism, hypocrisy, and plain obliviousness about the nature of the crisis.

"For one thing, it suggests that the U.N. decision to send an emergency force to the Middle East during the Suez crisis, more than the administration’s rhetoric about loosening Moscow’s ties with the East European satellites or hopes of liberation fostered by Radio Free Europe, was chiefly responsible for any expectations of Western military assistance that Hungarians had."

There is nothing about Suez that involved the Russian invasion of Hungary. It gives you a problem trying to defend Russia and the interference in other nations. The US did not send troops into the area during the French, British and Israeli war on Egypt.

The Russian invasion began in June 1956. The war on Egypt started in October.

 

[middleview]

Yes, because he is a gaslighter extraordinaire - which is why you worship him.

So explain why you cannot actually refute anything he wrote?

 

[middleview]

DEFENSIVE missile systems alleged to protect Poland from a (non-existent) Iranian threat, AND which can be repurposed to launch OFFENSIVE nuclear missiles toward Moscow; have you forgotten how JFK responded to a similar provocation?

No kidding...Patriot missiles can be repurposed to carry nuclear warheads? Got a link to that?

 

[georgephillip]

Bizarre logic...how does that justify the Russian invasion?

Bizarre only to those who conflate "good guys" with mass murder, displacement, and meddling in the domestic politics of foreign states in order to fatten the bottom lines of stat-spangled SOBs:

 

[middleview]

Bizarre only to those who conflate "good guys" with mass murder, displacement, and meddling in the domestic politics of foreign states in order to fatten the bottom lines of stat-spangled SOBs:
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Months before the French, British and Israelis go to war against Egypt, there was an attempt to elect a government not owned by the Kremlin....How does the reaction by Eisenhower to the Suez war have anything to do with Russia's invasion of Hungary?

It was Russian interference in Hungary that became an invasion by Russia. So mass murder, displacement and meddling was in what way related to the Suez war? Why do you think Russia invaded?

 

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It raises the question did Ike intervene in Suez in 1956 to foster expectations in Hungary the west would intercede militarily in their revolution.

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/openness-russia-eastern-europe/2017-05-10/hungary-1956-reviving-debate-over-us

"This study differs markedly from a number of Hungarian, American, and other historical accounts that take a harsher view of U.S. policy, accusing it of cynicism, hypocrisy, and plain obliviousness about the nature of the crisis.

"For one thing, it suggests that the U.N. decision to send an emergency force to the Middle East during the Suez crisis, more than the administration’s rhetoric about loosening Moscow’s ties with the East European satellites or hopes of liberation fostered by Radio Free Europe, was chiefly responsible for any expectations of Western military assistance that Hungarians had."

This is why I contend that the US shouldn't be the world police.

We should monitor the pulse but don't act out of greed and haste.

Our bravado has finally caught up with us.