Thanks Fareed Zakaria

[middleview]

How many millions have Americans murdered, maimed, and displaced since 1945?
How many Native Americans since 1787?
You consistently defend the greatest purveyor of violence in the world perfecting full spectrum dominance on the opposite side of the planet while shedding crocodile tears for Ukrainians and Hungarians.

So Russian invasions of Hungary, Afghanistan, Ukraine and Czechoslovakia are somehow justified by the wars against Native Americans?

Since 1945 we have gone to war in Korea. We did not invade North Korea...Major Kim Il Sung, former Russian army officer and member of the Chinese communist party, ordered the invasion with the blessings of both Stalin and Mao Tse Tung.

Between 2 million and 3 million civilians died. You seem to think all were killed by the American military and the North Korean and Chinese military were only shooting at combatants.

In 1945 the French return to Vietnam. The war with the communists began in 1946. We helped the French with weapons. China and Russia help Ho Chi Minh with weapons and money. In 1954 the communists defeat the French in a massive battle at Dien Bien Phu.

In July 1954 the French and Ho's representatives agree to divide the country with an election to be held in 1956 to unite it. Ngo Dinh Diem becomes the leader of the South, with backing from the US. No election happens in 1956....instead it turns into a civil war in the south with the Viet Minh getting aid from the North and the South being armed and aided by the US. We supply advisors to the South Vietnamese army...the first US casualties were in 1959.

From 1954 to 1975 there are about 400,000 civilians killed in South Vietnam. There were about 50,000 killed in the North.

Again...did you think the US military killed all of those people?

So how many millions of people do you think the US killed from 1945 to now?

 

[Sickofleft]

Did you read the article or are you going with the excuse that though don't know but dismiss it anyway?

I read it and stand by what I said.

 

[middleview]

I read it and stand by what I said.

Ignorance is bliss and you are in heaven. You didn't read it.

 

[middleview]

Platforms that launch Patriot missiles can be repurposed to launch Tomahawk missiles capable of carrying nuclear weapons. How did JFK respond to similar Soviet missiles in Cuba?

1. The patriot is 16 inches in diameter. It is aimed by use of a targeting radar for detecting incoming missiles or aircraft.
2. The tomahawk is 20 inches in diameter. It would not fit in a patriot tube. It is shipped in it's own launch tube. It's targeting is done by a Weapons control system...not radar.
A terrain map is downloaded through the WCS.

The tomahawk was deployed with a nuclear warhead which was withdrawn when the russians and US signed a nuclear weapons treaty, which Putin has now pulled out of.

 

[middleview]

I read it and stand by what I said.

What did he say that you can prove false?

CNN.com - Transcripts

transcripts.cnn.com

 

[georgephillip]

1. The patriot is 16 inches in diameter. It is aimed by use of a targeting radar for detecting incoming missiles or aircraft.
2. The tomahawk is 20 inches in diameter. It would not fit in a patriot tube. It is shipped in it's own launch tube. It's targeting is done by a Weapons control system...not radar.
A terrain map is downloaded through the WCS.

The tomahawk was deployed with a nuclear warhead which was withdrawn when the russians and US signed a nuclear weapons treaty, which Putin has now pulled out of.

Perhaps the "Good Guys" can swap out Patriot and Tomahawk launch tubes and thereby threaten Moscow with nuclear annihilation in five to seven minutes thereby increasing global misery exponentially?

 

[georgephillip]

Since 1945 we have gone to war in Korea. We did not invade North Korea...Major Kim Il Sung, former Russian army officer and member of the Chinese communist party, ordered the invasion with the blessings of both Stalin and Mao Tse Tung.

In August 1945 Soviet troops liberated most of Korea agreeing to a US request to halt their progress at the 38th parallel. Koreans were mobilized from one end of the peninsula to the other in expectation of free elections which would have likely produced any overwhelming communist victor at the polls.

One month later the "Good Guys" landed and refused to allow free elections south of the 38th parallel. The "Good Guys" then imported a Korean from Princeton to serve as military dictator until 1948 when sham elections brought "democracy" to South Korea.

Two years later North Korea launched a liberation effort that was supported by a majority of Koreans; millions of innocent Koreans paid with their lives for this early edition of full spectrum dominance.

 

[middleview]

Perhaps the "Good Guys" can swap out Patriot and Tomahawk launch tubes and thereby threaten Moscow with nuclear annihilation in five to seven minutes thereby increasing global misery exponentially?

1. McGovern has not worked for the CIA since 1990.
2. He went to work for Russia Today (RT) and Sputnik in 2003.
3. Did Crowdstrike say they had no evidence that Russia had hacked the DNC? No. Did they say they couldn't find evidence that anyone had "exfiltrated" the email extract file from the DNC server? Yes. So the Russians pulled email into a .ZIP file but then left it on the server? Then, somehow, magically the file ends up with Wikileaks.

No...the NSA is not capturing all internet traffic. I worked for Sprint for two years and we captured and stored metadata only...that was the billing data for calls...and it was a challenge to avoid lost data due to overruns when the system became too busy.

Do you honestly think entire messages could be captured? Entire movies? Whole books? Millions of simultaneous connections? If so, you know nothing at all of computer systems capacity.

 

[georgephillip]

So Russian invasions of Hungary, Afghanistan, Ukraine and Czechoslovakia are somehow justified by the wars against Native Americans?

US interference in Hungary, Afghanistan, Ukraine, and Czechoslovakia ( you forgot Yugoslavia) occurred on Russian/Soviet borders and was implemented by the same sense of American Exceptionalism that slaughtered vast numbers of Native Americans.

How many Exceptional Americans were lynching other Americans when Russia was defending its borders in Hungary?

 

[middleview]

In August 1945 Soviet troops liberated most of Korea agreeing to a US request to halt their progress at the 38th parallel. Koreans were mobilized from one end of the peninsula to the other in expectation of free elections which would have likely produced any overwhelming communist victor at the polls.

One month later the "Good Guys" landed and refused to allow free elections south of the 38th parallel. The "Good Guys" then imported a Korean from Princeton to serve as military dictator until 1948 when sham elections brought "democracy" to South Korea.

Two years later North Korea launched a liberation effort that was supported by a majority of Koreans; millions of innocent Koreans paid with their lives for this early edition of full spectrum dominance.

Russia refused to participate in the UN monitored election of 1948...instead holding the election in the North a few months after the election in the south.

Kim Il Sung had not lived in Korea for 20 years....it seems he didn't even speak Korean when he returned to the country in 1945 from Russia. He was a Major in the Russian army and a member of the Chinese communist party.

You can claim North Korea is more of a democracy than the South is, but can you explain how the same family has ruled the nation from 1948 to 2023? One man ruled from 1948 to 1994...just change the title...he was still in control.

The election of 1948 only had communist candidates. Was Syngman Rhee on the ballot? Nah.

If the invasion of the South was supported by a majority of Koreans, why did so many flee south?

 

[middleview]

US interference in Hungary, Afghanistan, Ukraine, and Czechoslovakia ( you forgot Yugoslavia) occurred on Russian/Soviet borders and was implemented by the same sense of American Exceptionalism that slaughtered vast numbers of Native Americans.

How many Exceptional Americans were lynching other Americans when Russia was defending its borders in Hungary?

So now the slaughter of millions of Ukrainians in the famine of 1930 was justified by racist southerners in the US?

 

[middleview]

In August 1945 Soviet troops liberated most of Korea agreeing to a US request to halt their progress at the 38th parallel. Koreans were mobilized from one end of the peninsula to the other in expectation of free elections which would have likely produced any overwhelming communist victor at the polls.

One month later the "Good Guys" landed and refused to allow free elections south of the 38th parallel. The "Good Guys" then imported a Korean from Princeton to serve as military dictator until 1948 when sham elections brought "democracy" to South Korea.

Two years later North Korea launched a liberation effort that was supported by a majority of Koreans; millions of innocent Koreans paid with their lives for this early edition of full spectrum dominance.

Syngman Rhee was involved in Korean liberation from 1919 to 1945...you say he was "imported"....the facts don't agree.
He was in the resistance movement in Korea from 1894...went to the US in 1904 after being released from prison. He returned to Korea in 1910 and moved to Hawaii in 1913 due to the Japanese crackdown and his arrest. He met with Woodrow Wilson, pleading with help to make Korea independent of the Japanese. He held a number of positions with the resistance government in exile...including President of the government in exile.

 

[middleview]

US interference in Hungary, Afghanistan, Ukraine, and Czechoslovakia ( you forgot Yugoslavia) occurred on Russian/Soviet borders and was implemented by the same sense of American Exceptionalism that slaughtered vast numbers of Native Americans.

How many Exceptional Americans were lynching other Americans when Russia was defending its borders in Hungary?

So you think Russia invaded Hungary to protect the border? From what...democracy?

 

[Raoul_Luke]

1. The patriot is 16 inches in diameter. It is aimed by use of a targeting radar for detecting incoming missiles or aircraft.
2. The tomahawk is 20 inches in diameter. It would not fit in a patriot tube. It is shipped in it's own launch tube. It's targeting is done by a Weapons control system...not radar.
A terrain map is downloaded through the WCS.

The tomahawk was deployed with a nuclear warhead which was withdrawn when the russians and US signed a nuclear weapons treaty, which Putin has now pulled out of.

Can the same be said of MK 41s? Of course not. Those are located in Poland and Romania...as close as 800 miles from Moscow. Putin can't attack them, as they are NATO members, so he attacked Ukraine, in order to prevent them from becoming one and possibly hosting MK 41s even closer to Moscow.

“Are we deploying missiles near the U.S. border? No, we are not. It is the United States that has come to our home with its missiles and is already standing at our doorstep,” Mr. Putin said in December at his annual news conference.

On the Edge of a Polish Forest, Where Some of Putin’s Darkest Fears Lurk - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Nothing to see here, move along...

 

[middleview]

Can the same be said of MK 41s? Of course not. Those are located in Poland and Romania...as close as 800 miles from Moscow. Putin can't attack them, as they are NATO members, so he attacked Ukraine, in order to prevent them from becoming one and possibly hosting MK 41s even closer to Moscow.

“Are we deploying missiles near the U.S. border? No, we are not. It is the United States that has come to our home with its missiles and is already standing at our doorstep,” Mr. Putin said in December at his annual news conference.

On the Edge of a Polish Forest, Where Some of Putin’s Darkest Fears Lurk - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Nothing to see here, move along...

Putin specifically said the Patriots...he was wrong. Can the MK41 VLS be converted to launch Tomahawks? No. As I already stated...the Tomahawk comes with it's targeting system which uses satellite images downloaded to an HPUX system in a separate truck mounted container...it uses terrain data to hit a fixed target. The MK41 system is usually mounted in a ship and is a ballistic system...

1. Ukraine is not a member of Nato and it's membership, prior to the invasion, was not even in process.
2. Due to the invasion...the missiles may now be placed in Sweden and Norway. Good job Vlad. The more Russia threatens their neighbors the more likely it is that they'll look for treaties with other nations to provide common defense.

Russia has been to war in Chechnya, Georgia, Afghanistan and now Ukraine. In past years Russia invaded Poland and Finland...both completely unprovoked. They have also invaded Hungary and Czechoslovakia also unprovoked.

How many nations in NATO were once occupied by Russian troops? How many nations have been occupied by NATO troops? How many NATO members have had their governments under the complete control of NATO HQ?

 

[georgephillip]

Since 1945 we have gone to war in Korea. We did not invade North Korea...Major Kim Il Sung, former Russian army officer and member of the Chinese communist party, ordered the invasion with the blessings of both Stalin and Mao Tse Tung.

Between 2 million and 3 million civilians died. You seem to think all were killed by the American military and the North Korean and Chinese military were only shooting at combatants.

By some accounts 1.2-1.5 million Koreans living north of the 38th parallel died from the UNC air campaign which amounts to killing 12%-15% of all human beings in that country, another example of capitalist mass murder which would never have existed if the US had not prevented free elections in 1945:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_North_Korea#Death_toll

"During the campaign, conventional weapons such as explosives, incendiary bombs, and napalm destroyed nearly all of the country's cities and towns, including an estimated 85 percent of its buildings.[1]

"A total of 635,000 tons of bombs, including 32,557 tons of napalm, were dropped on Korea.[2] By comparison, the U.S. dropped 1.6 million tons in the European theater and 500,000 tons in the Pacific theater during all of World War II (including 160,000 on Japan).

"North Korea ranks alongside Cambodia (500,000 tons), Laos (2 million tons), and South Vietnam (4 million tons) as among the most heavily-bombed countries in history.[3]"

Perhaps you can explain why those three countries warranted such destruction?

 

[georgephillip]

In July 1954 the French and Ho's representatives agree to divide the country with an election to be held in 1956 to unite it. Ngo Dinh Diem becomes the leader of the South, with backing from the US. No election happens in 1956....instead it turns into a civil war in the south with the Viet Minh getting aid from the North and the South being armed and aided by the US. We supply advisors to the South Vietnamese army...the first US casualties were in 1959.

You left out the lies (again):

https://www.zinnedproject.org/if-we-knew-our-history/camouflaging-the-vietnam-war/

"In the Academy Award-winning documentary Hearts and Minds, Daniel Ellsberg, who secretly copied and then released the Pentagon Papers, offers a catalog of presidential lying about the U.S. role in Vietnam: Truman lied. Eisenhower lied. Kennedy lied. Johnson 'lied and lied and lied.' Nixon lied.

"Ellsberg concludes: 'The American public was lied to month by month by each of these five administrations. As I say, it’s a tribute to the American public that their leaders perceived that they had to be lied to; it’s no tribute to us that it was so easy to fool the public.'"

 

[georgephillip]

Again...did you think the US military killed all of those people?

So how many millions of people do you think the US killed from 1945 to now?

Let's start with the murders since 9/11:

https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2023/05/18/us-911-wars-million-deaths-displace/

"Wars the US waged in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, and Pakistan following September 11, 2001 caused at least 4.5 million deaths and displaced 38 to 60 million people, with 7.6 million children starving today, according to studies by Brown University."

Why should anyone profit from the misery the US has inflicted on the above states?

 

[Raoul_Luke]

1. McGovern has not worked for the CIA since 1990.
2. He went to work for Russia Today (RT) and Sputnik in 2003.
3. Did Crowdstrike say they had no evidence that Russia had hacked the DNC? No. Did they say they couldn't find evidence that anyone had "exfiltrated" the email extract file from the DNC server? Yes. So the Russians pulled email into a .ZIP file but then left it on the server? Then, somehow, magically the file ends up with Wikileaks.

No...the NSA is not capturing all internet traffic. I worked for Sprint for two years and we captured and stored metadata only...that was the billing data for calls...and it was a challenge to avoid lost data due to overruns when the system became too busy.

Do you honestly think entire messages could be captured? Entire movies? Whole books? Millions of simultaneous connections? If so, you know nothing at all of computer systems capacity.

Where is your evidence that "Russians" created that zip file? You, of course, have none. This was almost certainly an inside job. There is no evidence the zip file was "exfiltrated" because it wasn't, at least not from the primary server. The most likely way the file was "exfiltrated" was from a back up server, which was almost certainly not connected to the internet. One the "Russians" didn't have access to.

There are absolutely collecting all of the backbone traffic, and most of the downstream as well.

NSA surveillance covers 75 percent of U.S. Internet traffic: WSJ

The National Security Agency's surveillance network has the capacity to reach around 75 percent of all U.S. Internet communications in the hunt for foreign intelligence, the Wall Street Journal reported on Tuesday.

www.reuters.com

You have tried this gaslighting before and I keep correcting you but you persist. The only reason one can determine as to why, is that you are a hack (and therefor not interested in the truth).

 

[Raoul_Luke]

Putin specifically said the Patriots...he was wrong. Can the MK41 VLS be converted to launch Tomahawks? No. As I already stated...the Tomahawk comes with it's targeting system which uses satellite images downloaded to an HPUX system in a separate truck mounted container...it uses terrain data to hit a fixed target. The MK41 system is usually mounted in a ship and is a ballistic system...

1. Ukraine is not a member of Nato and it's membership, prior to the invasion, was not even in process.
2. Due to the invasion...the missiles may now be placed in Sweden and Norway. Good job Vlad. The more Russia threatens their neighbors the more likely it is that they'll look for treaties with other nations to provide common defense.

Russia has been to war in Chechnya, Georgia, Afghanistan and now Ukraine. In past years Russia invaded Poland and Finland...both completely unprovoked. They have also invaded Hungary and Czechoslovakia also unprovoked.

How many nations in NATO were once occupied by Russian troops? How many nations have been occupied by NATO troops? How many NATO members have had their governments under the complete control of NATO HQ?

Are tomahawks the only missiles capable of delivering nuclear payloads? Nah, so you set up a straw man and kick his ass (again) while avoiding the truth. Pointing out that the MK 41 is a "ballistic system" is a pedantic non sequitur. Are they or aren't they capable of delivering nuclear payloads? Are they or aren't they deployed on Russia's "doorstep?"

You keep saying the invasion was "unprovoked" but clearly Putin laid out his concerns related to these "defensive" missiles:

FACTBOX-Russia's unveils security proposals to U.S. and NATO (devdiscourse.com)

Did anyone offer to sit down and discuss these (legitimate) concerns? Nah, we just kept preparing to push NATO closer to Moscow. Would the US allow Russia to put Iskanders in Montreal?