Thanks Fareed Zakaria

[middleview]

File access isn't, but ip traffic is. Unless their IT person was an asshat, there was a flow collector and (external) ip addresses would be logged.

Having NAS on a hub is a red herring - an external connection can't get to it without traversing the switch.

Then they would still have to get it across the switch, unless of course, they were sitting in front of the office PC.

And, of course, that all assumes they didn't have a (hardware) Firewall - which would make it even easier to see the external connections and what protocols they were using.

Wow....have you ever worked in IT?

An NAS device could be accessed without going through the switch or VPN if the local hacked PC is also on a hub. While the IP traffic can be seen...how in hell would you know it was a .ZIP file being moved? On your hypothetical switch log...can you tell the type of file being copied out of the network? No. If you know the name of a file you may be able to find access through something like Event Log Analyzer...If you know what account they used, you may be able to find a spike in traffic...but the fact is that searching a few weeks or months of data would be daunting.

So you started off claiming the NSA would have captured data in and out of the DNC network. That was false. You then quoted and article saying the NSA had the capacity to capture 75% of domestic traffic and interpreted that as a claim that they actually were capturing 75% of all traffic. That was false.

Now you argue that logs would have identified a .ZIP file being exfiltrated from all other data traffic....but then when actually thinking about how many devices are on the DNC network and the probability that there would be many spikes in traffic...you'd have to agree that you don't know shit about the network configuration. You don't know how comprehensive their log configuration is.

What was found was the significant presence of software used by the Russians in other hacks...including those on election systems around the country.

 

[middleview]

Better that nobody (else) dies. If our weapons and training are killing Russian civilians, do you think that would make them more or less likely to support "Putin's war?" It almost seems like you are actively urging we go full WWIII here. That is nuts!

If Putin ordered his troops to withdraw...the killing would stop. Your preference is for Ukraine to surrender 1/3rd of their land and millions of their citizens to Putin.

 

[write on]

The US is backing the Saudi aggression in Yemen, and US drones strikes in Pakistan have been killing civilians for decades.
911 attacks were perpetrated by 15 Saudis who trained in Germany, Florida, and San Diego; have you discovered how two commercial airliners collapsed three steel-framed skyscrapers into their own footprints?
Virtually all of your crocodile tears for Iraqi victims of AQI and ISIS would have been unnecessary absent the illegal US invasion.
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Ahhh, it's deja vu all over again.

Have you forgotten the Jan 06 Bush PDB?

What about us being warned that Saudis were taking flying lessons in Arizona and Florida before 9/11?

 

[georgephillip]

Ahhh, it's deja vu all over again.

Have you forgotten the Jan 06 Bush PDB?

What about us being warned that Saudis were taking flying lessons in Arizona and Florida before 9/11?

It is interesting how the Bush family faces questions or allegations surrounding their actions on 9/11/2001 and November 22, 1963?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Secrets

 

[write on]

It is interesting how the Bush family faces questions or allegations surrounding their actions on 9/11/2001 and November 22, 1963?

Without reading your link first, did you know that the bin Laden family bailed out Bush's failing oil company back in the day?

 

[georgephillip]

Ukraine was invaded. Why wouldn't he ban pro-Moscow parties?
Has Putin released Novalny? How many of his opponents has he had murdered? Nemtsov, Markelov, Politkovskaya, Litvinenko, Glushkov, Berezovsky...all murdered and all critics of Putin.

It's a long list
Here's a List of Putin Critics Who've Ended up Dead (businessinsider.com)

Ukraine suspends 11 political parties with links to Russia | Ukraine | The Guardian

How many US tax dollars are going to fund Putin's perfidy?
Ukraine was invaded after the US supported a violent coup that drove a dule elected president from office.
Is that your idea of democracy?

 

[middleview]

How many US tax dollars are going to fund Putin's perfidy?
Ukraine was invaded after the US supported a violent coup that drove a dule elected president from office.
Is that your idea of democracy?

The Ukrainian people wanted him out. The Verkohovna Rada agreed.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

If Putin ordered his troops to withdraw...the killing would stop. Your preference is for Ukraine to surrender 1/3rd of their land and millions of their citizens to Putin.

My "preference" is for us to own up to our role in setting the conditions for Putin's attack on Ukraine. Why were we so determined to ram NATO up Putin's ass? Russia is no worse (or better) than Ukraine - why didn't we offer peace?



Nothing to see here, move along...

 

[Sickofleft]

Wow....have you ever worked in IT?

An NAS device could be accessed without going through the switch or VPN if the local hacked PC is also on a hub. While the IP traffic can be seen...how in hell would you know it was a .ZIP file being moved? On your hypothetical switch log...can you tell the type of file being copied out of the network? No. If you know the name of a file you may be able to find access through something like Event Log Analyzer...If you know what account they used, you may be able to find a spike in traffic...but the fact is that searching a few weeks or months of data would be daunting.

So you started off claiming the NSA would have captured data in and out of the DNC network. That was false. You then quoted and article saying the NSA had the capacity to capture 75% of domestic traffic and interpreted that as a claim that they actually were capturing 75% of all traffic. That was false.

Now you argue that logs would have identified a .ZIP file being exfiltrated from all other data traffic....but then when actually thinking about how many devices are on the DNC network and the probability that there would be many spikes in traffic...you'd have to agree that you don't know shit about the network configuration. You don't know how comprehensive their log configuration is.

What was found was the significant presence of software used by the Russians in other hacks...including those on election systems around the country.

Wow.. lot of technical bullshit still ending in.... you are lying as per usual.

So much technical evidence YET still under oath nobody would confirm it was the Russians...... do ya know why?....... wait for it......

The Russians did not hack the DNC.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

Wow....have you ever worked in IT?

An NAS device could be accessed without going through the switch or VPN if the local hacked PC is also on a hub. While the IP traffic can be seen...how in hell would you know it was a .ZIP file being moved? On your hypothetical switch log...can you tell the type of file being copied out of the network? No. If you know the name of a file you may be able to find access through something like Event Log Analyzer...If you know what account they used, you may be able to find a spike in traffic...but the fact is that searching a few weeks or months of data would be daunting.

So you started off claiming the NSA would have captured data in and out of the DNC network. That was false. You then quoted and article saying the NSA had the capacity to capture 75% of domestic traffic and interpreted that as a claim that they actually were capturing 75% of all traffic. That was false.

Now you argue that logs would have identified a .ZIP file being exfiltrated from all other data traffic....but then when actually thinking about how many devices are on the DNC network and the probability that there would be many spikes in traffic...you'd have to agree that you don't know shit about the network configuration. You don't know how comprehensive their log configuration is.

What was found was the significant presence of software used by the Russians in other hacks...including those on election systems around the country.

Not for the FBI - it's what they do. I wonder why they were denied access to the DNC network?

You have no idea if it is "false." Almost certainly they use one of the big ISPs who "cooperate" with the NSA.

I did no such thing - there you go setting up another straw man so you can kick his ass because you can't beat me. I suggested that any competent IT admin would have Cisco NetFlow (or its equivalent) set up to gather data on external connections. The idea that corporate networks are routinely configured in such a way as to make it impossible to identify the connections of uninvited or unauthorized access is just fricking ridiculous. If it isn't done at the switch level, it would be done at the firewall (or both).

So now you admit that all they found was the software the hackers left behind and not any evidence that they were the ones who created the zip file of the emails (let alone that they "exfiltrated" it)? It's about time.

 

[middleview]

My "preference" is for us to own up to our role in setting the conditions for Putin's attack on Ukraine. Why were we so determined to ram NATO up Putin's ass? Russia is no worse (or better) than Ukraine - why didn't we offer peace?

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Nothing to see here, move along...

WTF? Were you thinking it was up to us to offer peace? We have not engaged in hostile actions against Russia...meanwhile Russia has fought wars in Georgia, Chechnya and now Ukraine. In the past Russia invaded Finland and Poland with absolutely no provocation. Russia had control of Ukraine and all of the other east bloc nations. No wonder they wanted to join NATO. Letting them join is hardly ramming it up his ass.
Now his invasion has prompted Finland and Sweden to join.

Putin has now withdrawn from the INF treaty. He is the threat to peace.

 

[write on]

My "preference" is for us to own up to our role in setting the conditions for Putin's attack on Ukraine. Why were we so determined to ram NATO up Putin's ass? Russia is no worse (or better) than Ukraine - why didn't we offer peace?

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Nothing to see here, move along...

Why do you defend Putin and Trump when you know the eventual outcome if they succeed?

 

[middleview]

Not for the FBI - it's what they do. I wonder why they were denied access to the DNC network?

You have no idea if it is "false." Almost certainly they use one of the big ISPs who "cooperate" with the NSA.

I did no such thing - there you go setting up another straw man so you can kick his ass because you can't beat me. I suggested that any competent IT admin would have Cisco NetFlow (or its equivalent) set up to gather data on external connections. The idea that corporate networks are routinely configured in such a way as to make it impossible to identify the connections of uninvited or unauthorized access is just fricking ridiculous. If it isn't done at the switch level, it would be done at the firewall (or both).

So now you admit that all they found was the software the hackers left behind and not any evidence that they were the ones who created the zip file of the emails (let alone that they "exfiltrated" it)? It's about time.

The FBI was handed backups of the email servers. They didn't need access.
You linked to a source that stated the NSA captures data traffic to and from foreign IP addresses. Not domestic traffic unless they have a warrant. Think FISA.

You prefer the theory that someone in the DNC would rather have had Trump win the election. That is pretty farging far from believable. Hypothetically it would be just as likely that a Russian agent had infiltrated the DNC...but there is nothing to make that credible either.

We know that someone who favored Trump over Clinton managed to steal email from the DNC and deliver it to Wikileaks. Every credible source has named the Russians. Who is your source to say it wasn't....Putin? Assange?

 

[georgephillip]

The Ukrainian people wanted him out. The Verkohovna Rada agreed.

The Verkhovna Rada agreed AFTER Yanukovych was forced from office by a violent mob spearheaded by neo-Nazis and supported by the US.

A certain percentage of Ukrainians wanted Yanukovych out, but they soon got buyers' remorse:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/187931/ukrainians-disillusioned-leadership.aspx

You still haven't explained how replacing a duly-elected president with a far-right coup government promotes democracy?

 

[middleview]

The Verkhovna Rada agreed AFTER Yanukovych was forced from office by a violent mob spearheaded by neo-Nazis and supported by the US.

A certain percentage of Ukrainians wanted Yanukovych out, but they soon got buyers' remorse:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/187931/ukrainians-disillusioned-leadership.aspx

You still haven't explained how replacing a duly-elected president with a far-right coup government promotes democracy?

I don't need to justify the actions of the people of Ukraine. They decided his actions were unacceptable...not me and not the US.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

The FBI was handed backups of the email servers. They didn't need access.
You linked to a source that stated the NSA captures data traffic to and from foreign IP addresses. Not domestic traffic unless they have a warrant. Think FISA.

You prefer the theory that someone in the DNC would rather have had Trump win the election. That is pretty farging far from believable. Hypothetically it would be just as likely that a Russian agent had infiltrated the DNC...but there is nothing to make that credible either.

We know that someone who favored Trump over Clinton managed to steal email from the DNC and deliver it to Wikileaks. Every credible source has named the Russians. Who is your source to say it wasn't....Putin? Assange?

Backups of the server hard drives isn't access to the, you know, firewall and/or switch logs.

I prefer the fact that no one apparently found any external traffic associated with the email file "exfiltration." Obviously it was taken but any "conclusions" about by whom or how is conjecture. Now that we know that Hillary had in place, at the time, a plan to tie Trump to Russian efforts to steal the election, it begs the question whether the whole emails to Wikileaks deal was part of that hoax. Presumably that implication would offset any negatives associated with what was in the emails - after all, it's not like it was evidence of a crime. Anyone who believed the DNC was interested in a Bernie Sanders candidacy has sh*t for brains. By "every credible source" you mean Crowdstrike and the Government. Crowdstrike has admitted they have no idea if the Russians took those emails, so that leaves the Government, and I'm sorry but that "appeal to authority" is, well, laughable. The Government has been lying to us throughout its existence.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

Why do you defend Putin and Trump when you know the eventual outcome if they succeed?

I am defending the truth and facts here so run along...we know the "eventual outcome" if you succeed - WWIII.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

WTF? Were you thinking it was up to us to offer peace? We have not engaged in hostile actions against Russia...meanwhile Russia has fought wars in Georgia, Chechnya and now Ukraine. In the past Russia invaded Finland and Poland with absolutely no provocation. Russia had control of Ukraine and all of the other east bloc nations. No wonder they wanted to join NATO. Letting them join is hardly ramming it up his ass.
Now his invasion has prompted Finland and Sweden to join.

Putin has now withdrawn from the INF treaty. He is the threat to peace.

Yeah, what was I thinking - why on earth would we be interested in "peace?"

 

[write on]

I am defending the truth and facts here so run along...we know the "eventual outcome" if you succeed - WWIII.

Yeah, right. If I remember history correctly, there was another tyrant that said he would not advance any further after taking control of parts of Czechoslovakia in 1938.

He then attacked Poland.

 

[middleview]

Yeah, what was I thinking - why on earth would we be interested in "peace?"

We aren't the ones at war..Putin is.