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The Russians did not hack the DNC

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
You have spent a lot of energy claiming CrowdStrike is not credible and supplied no info to the FBI. In fact they were one of several Cyber Security experts to review the data. You prefer to believe Assange and Putin.

Cybersecurity analysis[edit]
A self-styled hacker going by the moniker "Guccifer 2.0" claimed to be the source of the leaks;[42][43] WikiLeaks did not reveal its source.[22] Cybersecurity experts and firms, including CrowdStrike, Fidelis Cybersecurity, Mandiant, SecureWorks, and ThreatConnect, and the editor for Ars Technica, stated the leak was part of a series of cyberattacks on the DNC committed by two Russian intelligence groups.[44][45][46][47][48][49] U.S. intelligence agencies also stated (with "High confidence"[50]) that the Russian government was behind the theft of emails and documents from the DNC, according to reports in The New York Times and The Washington Post.[50][51][52][53][54]

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange initially stuck to WikiLeaks policy of neither confirming or denying sources but in January 2017 said that their "source is not the Russian government and it is not a state party",[55][56] and the Russian government said it had no involvement.[57]

Comey testified that the FBI requested, but did not receive, physical access to the DNC servers.[58][59] According to Comey, the FBI did obtain copies of the servers and all the information on them, as well as access to forensics from CrowdStrike, a third-party cybersecurity company that reviewed the DNC servers.[59] Comey said that access through Crowdstrike was an "appropriate substitute" and called the firm a "highly respected private company.
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Then why was Sean Henry forced to testify UNDER OATH that they had exactly zero evidence that ANYONE "exfiltrated" the DNC emails? And the bottom line here is that none of this occurred in a vacuum - it occurred with a backdrop of the Hillary Clinton campaign "colluding" with foreign government agents and, gasp, RUSSIANS!!!!, to fabricate evidence that it was actually the Trumpies who were the ones who were trying to "steal" the election with the help of foreigners.

Your appeal to authority schtick is getting old. The idea that we should believe the likes of Comey over Assange is laughable. Comey and his merry band of DNC partisans at the upper echelons of the FBI have been exposed as a partisan douchebags of mammoth proportions.
 

middleview

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Then why was Sean Henry forced to testify UNDER OATH that they had exactly zero evidence that ANYONE "exfiltrated" the DNC emails? And the bottom line here is that none of this occurred in a vacuum - it occurred with a backdrop of the Hillary Clinton campaign "colluding" with foreign government agents and, gasp, RUSSIANS!!!!, to fabricate evidence that it was actually the Trumpies who were the ones who were trying to "steal" the election with the help of foreigners.

Your appeal to authority schtick is getting old. The idea that we should believe the likes of Comey over Assange is laughable. Comey and his merry band of DNC partisans at the upper echelons of the FBI have been exposed as a partisan douchebags of mammoth proportions.
the idea that Assange or Putin are credible is all anyone needs to know about your judgement.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Then why was Sean Henry forced to testify UNDER OATH that they had exactly zero evidence that ANYONE "exfiltrated" the DNC emails? And the bottom line here is that none of this occurred in a vacuum - it occurred with a backdrop of the Hillary Clinton campaign "colluding" with foreign government agents and, gasp, RUSSIANS!!!!, to fabricate evidence that it was actually the Trumpies who were the ones who were trying to "steal" the election with the help of foreigners.

Your appeal to authority schtick is getting old. The idea that we should believe the likes of Comey over Assange is laughable. Comey and his merry band of DNC partisans at the upper echelons of the FBI have been exposed as a partisan douchebags of mammoth proportions.
By the way...
We do have proof that the emails were exfiltrated. How else did they get to Assange.
What foreign government agents "colluded" with Clinton?
The Russian that Steele used as a source was not an agent of the Russian intelligence agencies.
There is a huge difference between stealing an election and attempting to influence it.

If Hillary had called a mob to DC on January 6th 2017 and then told them to stop the count of electors and fight like hell at the Capitol...that would have been an attempted steal.
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
Mueller charged Russians.

Mueller has also filed two major indictments of Russian nationals and a few Russian companies for crimes related to alleged interference with the 2016 election: the troll farm indictment, and the email hacking indictment.

The troll farm indictment
: In February, Mueller brought charges related to the propaganda efforts of one Russian group in particular: the Internet Research Agency. That group’s operations — which included social media posts, online ads, and organization of rallies in the US — were, the indictment alleges, often (but not exclusively) aimed at denigrating Hillary Clinton’s presidential candidacy and supporting Donald Trump’s.

Mueller indictments: everyone charged in the Russia investigation - Vox
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
By the way...
We do have proof that the emails were exfiltrated. How else did they get to Assange.
What foreign government agents "colluded" with Clinton?
The Russian that Steele used as a source was not an agent of the Russian intelligence agencies.
There is a huge difference between stealing an election and attempting to influence it.

If Hillary had called a mob to DC on January 6th 2017 and then told them to stop the count of electors and fight like hell at the Capitol...that would have been an attempted steal.
Obviously - but none that would indicate by whom. The (anti-Trump) "intelligence experts" you keep referencing are simply making an assumption, and a rather self serving one at that.

Steele himself, for starters. Then there's Dearlove, Downer, Mifsud...

What Hillary Clinton can get away with under cover is orders of magnitude worse than anything a few thousand rag tag protestors can do in the open. The idea that Jan 6 was an "insurrection" is a joke - it never had an iota of a chance to succeed.

That you keep trying to keep that gaslight simply outs you as the most crass sort of political hack.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
the idea that Assange or Putin are credible is all anyone needs to know about your judgement.
The idea that people like Comey and Mueller and Horowitz are credible is laughable. How come none of them (especially Mueller) didn't notice Hillary's fingerprints all over the "evidence" against Trump and his campaign? Because they were too busy trying to help her frame Trump and his campaign, that's why!
 

EatTheRich

President
Then why was Sean Henry forced to testify UNDER OATH that they had exactly zero evidence that ANYONE "exfiltrated" the DNC emails? And the bottom line here is that none of this occurred in a vacuum - it occurred with a backdrop of the Hillary Clinton campaign "colluding" with foreign government agents and, gasp, RUSSIANS!!!!, to fabricate evidence that it was actually the Trumpies who were the ones who were trying to "steal" the election with the help of foreigners.

Your appeal to authority schtick is getting old. The idea that we should believe the likes of Comey over Assange is laughable. Comey and his merry band of DNC partisans at the upper echelons of the FBI have been exposed as a partisan douchebags of mammoth proportions.
You know that Comey, a lifelong Republican, was actually fired by the Trump administration, officially on the grounds that his anti-Clinton bias and the actions taken on the basis of it (without which, pretty clearly, Trump had no chance of winning the election) were too extreme to be consistent with his duties as director?
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
You know that Comey, a lifelong Republican, was actually fired by the Trump administration, officially on the grounds that his anti-Clinton bias and the actions taken on the basis of it (without which, pretty clearly, Trump had no chance of winning the election) were too extreme to be consistent with his duties as director?
Sure he was...
 
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