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The Science case against the Biden mandates

reason10

Governor
I'll list these points for discussion. (I started to say intelligent discussion, but with the Woke people here, that'll be impossible.)

1. Masks do not work. They do not protect an individual from getting the Coronavirus.
https://luis46pr.wordpress.com/2021/03/12/cdc-report-admits-mask-wearing-provides-no-real-protection-against-covid/

On March 5, the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) published a report admitting that face masks do not provide protection against the Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19), and potentially worsen infection risk.
Authored by more than a dozen medical doctors, PhD researchers, and attorneys, the research found that wearing a mask or not wearing a mask produces roughly the same outcome in terms of the number of “cases” and deaths blamed on the Wuhan virus.

An actual quote.
“According to the federal government agency that is responsible for managing the COVID-1984 pandemic, the difference between mask mandates and no mask mandate is literally just a 1.32% difference,” writes Simon Black for Sovereign Man.
“And bear in mind, it’s entirely possible that the real figure is even lower than that, given all the questionable COVID statistics.”


2. For the idiots here who point to doctors who wear surgical masks in surgery, are you actually going to compare a school classroom, a public restaurant, a public sports event, with the sterile environment of a room where a human body is actually cut into? Are you stupid? Oh, and infections happen at hospitals all the time. Patients are routinely given pneumonia every day in this very sanitary environment.

3. Vaccines do not work.
https://defconnews.com/2021/07/30/cdc-admits-covid-vaccines-dont-work/
CDC Admits Covid ‘Vaccines’ Don’t Work
Why, then, does the CDC recommend vaccinated individuals get tested if they’ve come in contact with someone suspected of having Covid-19? Why aren’t more doctors speaking up about what they know to be true regarding these “vaccines”?
his is why the spikes continue. It’s why High-profile, fully-vaccinated people keep testing positive. And it’s why the places with the highest percentage of vaccinated people continue to suffer from infection rates that are equal to or higher than areas of lower vaccine coverage.


4. Yes, there is precedent for the government making a vaccine mandatory. That took place in 1905, when the smallpox vaccine was mandated and the mandate was set down by the Supreme Court. No, it wasn't some Final Solution egotistical unelected president throwing his weight around for a virus he was too stupid to spell. It was simply a court case.

What's the difference? Two things:

1. Unlike the Coronavirus which has a 98 percent complete recovery rate, small pox was a species ending disease.

2. The smallpox vaccination actually worked. In fact, it actually eradicated smallpox from the face of the earth. That will not happen with the Coronavirus because the President continues to import infected illegal aliens with every new variant there is.

The liberals here claim the Coronavirus will be with us for a long time. They are probably right. They voted for the Obama, who paid for the Wuhan lab that created this plague. And they voted for the President who seems intent on spreading it all over the place while trampling on the civil liberties of the legal citizens of the United States.


Those are the facts.
 

reason10

Governor
Oh, one other thing:

There is a constitutional way to go about ordering mandates. It's called the United States Congress. (Any idiots here actually read about the Congress before they dropped out of third grade in some half baked incompetent blue state school??)

If it is a law most of America agrees with, then our Republican representative form of government should have no problem legislating the mandates, for schools, for public places, ever for Obama birthday parties.

Why then the Fascist mandates from the President? Where is the democracy in that?

Why the illegal threats to Governor DeSantis of Florida, threatening to withhold Medicare funding to certain nursing homes? (By the way, that is a Crime, known as racketeering. And when Kevin McCarthy takes Pelosi's gavel, that'll be one of many impeachable offenses Joe will be facing.)
 
I'll list these points for discussion. (I started to say intelligent discussion, but with the Woke people here, that'll be impossible.)

1. Masks do not work. They do not protect an individual from getting the Coronavirus.
https://luis46pr.wordpress.com/2021/03/12/cdc-report-admits-mask-wearing-provides-no-real-protection-against-covid/

On March 5, the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) published a report admitting that face masks do not provide protection against the Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19), and potentially worsen infection risk.
Authored by more than a dozen medical doctors, PhD researchers, and attorneys, the research found that wearing a mask or not wearing a mask produces roughly the same outcome in terms of the number of “cases” and deaths blamed on the Wuhan virus.

An actual quote.
“According to the federal government agency that is responsible for managing the COVID-1984 pandemic, the difference between mask mandates and no mask mandate is literally just a 1.32% difference,” writes Simon Black for Sovereign Man.
“And bear in mind, it’s entirely possible that the real figure is even lower than that, given all the questionable COVID statistics.”


2. For the idiots here who point to doctors who wear surgical masks in surgery, are you actually going to compare a school classroom, a public restaurant, a public sports event, with the sterile environment of a room where a human body is actually cut into? Are you stupid? Oh, and infections happen at hospitals all the time. Patients are routinely given pneumonia every day in this very sanitary environment.

3. Vaccines do not work.
https://defconnews.com/2021/07/30/cdc-admits-covid-vaccines-dont-work/
CDC Admits Covid ‘Vaccines’ Don’t Work
Why, then, does the CDC recommend vaccinated individuals get tested if they’ve come in contact with someone suspected of having Covid-19? Why aren’t more doctors speaking up about what they know to be true regarding these “vaccines”?
his is why the spikes continue. It’s why High-profile, fully-vaccinated people keep testing positive. And it’s why the places with the highest percentage of vaccinated people continue to suffer from infection rates that are equal to or higher than areas of lower vaccine coverage.


4. Yes, there is precedent for the government making a vaccine mandatory. That took place in 1905, when the smallpox vaccine was mandated and the mandate was set down by the Supreme Court. No, it wasn't some Final Solution egotistical unelected president throwing his weight around for a virus he was too stupid to spell. It was simply a court case.

What's the difference? Two things:

1. Unlike the Coronavirus which has a 98 percent complete recovery rate, small pox was a species ending disease.

2. The smallpox vaccination actually worked. In fact, it actually eradicated smallpox from the face of the earth. That will not happen with the Coronavirus because the President continues to import infected illegal aliens with every new variant there is.

The liberals here claim the Coronavirus will be with us for a long time. They are probably right. They voted for the Obama, who paid for the Wuhan lab that created this plague. And they voted for the President who seems intent on spreading it all over the place while trampling on the civil liberties of the legal citizens of the United States.


Those are the facts.
And there we have it; the lie which has fed all other vaccine lies.

Vaccine/immunizatio/innoculation did NOT erradicate small pox, on the contrary it induced it plus leprosy and other suchs. Small pox was a disease of poverty, dirty water, no sewers, malnutrition, over crowding - it was/is curable and it disappears as living conditions improve
 

God of War

Lets go Brandon!
I'll list these points for discussion. (I started to say intelligent discussion, but with the Woke people here, that'll be impossible.)

1. Masks do not work. They do not protect an individual from getting the Coronavirus.
https://luis46pr.wordpress.com/2021/03/12/cdc-report-admits-mask-wearing-provides-no-real-protection-against-covid/

On March 5, the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) published a report admitting that face masks do not provide protection against the Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19), and potentially worsen infection risk.
Authored by more than a dozen medical doctors, PhD researchers, and attorneys, the research found that wearing a mask or not wearing a mask produces roughly the same outcome in terms of the number of “cases” and deaths blamed on the Wuhan virus.

An actual quote.
“According to the federal government agency that is responsible for managing the COVID-1984 pandemic, the difference between mask mandates and no mask mandate is literally just a 1.32% difference,” writes Simon Black for Sovereign Man.
“And bear in mind, it’s entirely possible that the real figure is even lower than that, given all the questionable COVID statistics.”


2. For the idiots here who point to doctors who wear surgical masks in surgery, are you actually going to compare a school classroom, a public restaurant, a public sports event, with the sterile environment of a room where a human body is actually cut into? Are you stupid? Oh, and infections happen at hospitals all the time. Patients are routinely given pneumonia every day in this very sanitary environment.

3. Vaccines do not work.
https://defconnews.com/2021/07/30/cdc-admits-covid-vaccines-dont-work/
CDC Admits Covid ‘Vaccines’ Don’t Work
Why, then, does the CDC recommend vaccinated individuals get tested if they’ve come in contact with someone suspected of having Covid-19? Why aren’t more doctors speaking up about what they know to be true regarding these “vaccines”?
his is why the spikes continue. It’s why High-profile, fully-vaccinated people keep testing positive. And it’s why the places with the highest percentage of vaccinated people continue to suffer from infection rates that are equal to or higher than areas of lower vaccine coverage.


4. Yes, there is precedent for the government making a vaccine mandatory. That took place in 1905, when the smallpox vaccine was mandated and the mandate was set down by the Supreme Court. No, it wasn't some Final Solution egotistical unelected president throwing his weight around for a virus he was too stupid to spell. It was simply a court case.

What's the difference? Two things:

1. Unlike the Coronavirus which has a 98 percent complete recovery rate, small pox was a species ending disease.

2. The smallpox vaccination actually worked. In fact, it actually eradicated smallpox from the face of the earth. That will not happen with the Coronavirus because the President continues to import infected illegal aliens with every new variant there is.

The liberals here claim the Coronavirus will be with us for a long time. They are probably right. They voted for the Obama, who paid for the Wuhan lab that created this plague. And they voted for the President who seems intent on spreading it all over the place while trampling on the civil liberties of the legal citizens of the United States.


Those are the facts.
1) Masks work.
2) No, really, they do.
3) Vaccines do work. But this one is not a vaccine and doesn't work (breakout cases).
4) There is no precedent. The man could get a vaccine or pay a fine. Since 1905 medicine has progressed and so should the law. Stare decisis does not apply.
 

God of War

Lets go Brandon!
Oh, one other thing:

There is a constitutional way to go about ordering mandates. It's called the United States Congress. (Any idiots here actually read about the Congress before they dropped out of third grade in some half baked incompetent blue state school??)

If it is a law most of America agrees with, then our Republican representative form of government should have no problem legislating the mandates, for schools, for public places, ever for Obama birthday parties.

Why then the Fascist mandates from the President? Where is the democracy in that?

Why the illegal threats to Governor DeSantis of Florida, threatening to withhold Medicare funding to certain nursing homes? (By the way, that is a Crime, known as racketeering. And when Kevin McCarthy takes Pelosi's gavel, that'll be one of many impeachable offenses Joe will be facing.)
NOT even congress can pass unconstitutional mandates.
 

reason10

Governor
And there we have it; the lie which has fed all other vaccine lies.

Vaccine/immunizatio/innoculation did NOT erradicate small pox, on the contrary it induced it plus leprosy and other suchs. Small pox was a disease of poverty, dirty water, no sewers, malnutrition, over crowding - it was/is curable and it disappears as living conditions improve

That is a lie. None of what you just vomited in that post has ANY resemblance to fact.

Here are the facts.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM200102013440511

Is there smallpox ANYWHERE in the world today?
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/smallpox

The last naturally occurring case of smallpox was reported in 1977. In 1980, the World Health Organization declared that smallpox had been eradicated. Currently, there is no evidence of naturally occurring smallpox transmission anywhere in the world
 

reason10

Governor
1) Masks work.

That is a lie.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/do-masks-actually-work-the-best-studies-suggest-they-dont

Do masks actually work? The best studies suggest they don't


2) No, really, they do.

Repeating the same lie doesn't automatically make it a fact.

3) Vaccines do work. But this one is not a vaccine and doesn't work (breakout cases).

So far, everyone is calling it a vaccine. When I got my double janssen shot, I had to sign a release stating that I understood this vaccine was not approved by the FDA.


4) There is no precedent. The man could get a vaccine or pay a fine. Since 1905 medicine has progressed and so should the law. Stare decisis does not apply.

The 1905 mandate was the result of appellate law reaching the Supreme Court. There are lawyers right now who will hire an exorcist to come after you for even uttering the phrase "stare decisis does not apply." Stare decisis basically has given the Supreme Court an unelected power that was NEVER intended by the Founding Fathers.
The case was Marbury v. Madison. Tell a lawyer stare decisis doesn't apply and he/she will spit in your face.
 

God of War

Lets go Brandon!
1) Masks work.

That is a lie.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/do-masks-actually-work-the-best-studies-suggest-they-dont

Do masks actually work? The best studies suggest they don't


2) No, really, they do.

Repeating the same lie doesn't automatically make it a fact.

3) Vaccines do work. But this one is not a vaccine and doesn't work (breakout cases).

So far, everyone is calling it a vaccine. When I got my double janssen shot, I had to sign a release stating that I understood this vaccine was not approved by the FDA.


4) There is no precedent. The man could get a vaccine or pay a fine. Since 1905 medicine has progressed and so should the law. Stare decisis does not apply.

The 1905 mandate was the result of appellate law reaching the Supreme Court. There are lawyers right now who will hire an exorcist to come after you for even uttering the phrase "stare decisis does not apply." Stare decisis basically has given the Supreme Court an unelected power that was NEVER intended by the Founding Fathers.
The case was Marbury v. Madison. Tell a lawyer stare decisis doesn't apply and he/she will spit in your face.
Masks work.

If I locked you into a 20 by 15 foot room with a symptomatic person expressing Ebola symptoms you would want them to have a handkerchief to cover their mouth when they coughed. YOU would want a handkerchief to cover your mouth and nose.

Those two handkerchiefs might well protect you if you were only kept in the room for 20 minutes but not 2 hours. You'd certainly want an N95 mask if not a full face P100 mask.

South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan showed that masks worked early in the pandemic because despite being nearby to the epicenter geographically, the greater speed of spread was further away in a society that does not wear masks - America. Eventually the masks stopped working because of mask fatigue.

There are different ways to wear a mask.. you can wear them hygenically or in a sterile fashion. It is usually depedent on the type of mask you're wearing. Say a surgical mask and an N95 mask.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO WEAR MASKS. PEOPLE NEED TRAINING IN HOW TO WEAR MASKS TO MAKE THEM MORE EFFECTIVE. N95 NEEDED TO BE MADE MORE WIDELY AVAILABLE.
 
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Masks work.

If I locked you into a 20 by 15 foot room with a symptomatic person expressing Ebola symptoms you would want them to have a handkerchief to cover their mouth when they coughed. YOU would want a handkerchief to cover your mouth and nose.

Those two handkerchiefs might well protect you if you were only kept in the room for 20 minutes but not 2 hours. You'd certainly want an N95 mask if not a full face P100 mask.

South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan showed that masks worked early in the pandemic because despite being nearby to the epicenter geographically, the greater speed of spread was further away in a society that does not wear masks - America. Eventually the masks stopped working because of mask fatigue.

There are different ways to wear a mask.. you can wear them hygenically or in a sterile fashion. It is usually depedent on the type of mask you're wearing. Say a surgical mask and an N95 mask.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO WEAR MASKS. PEOPLE NEED TRAINING IN HOW TO WEAR MASKS TO MAKE THEM MORE EFFECTIVE. N95 NEEDED TO BE MADE MORE WIDELY AVAILABLE.
Omg! God of War has a sensible masks position! Good for you.
 

reason10

Governor

Masks work.


I've already proven with reliable sources that they do NOT.

If I locked you into a 20 by 15 foot room with a symptomatic person expressing Ebola symptoms you would want them to have a handkerchief to cover their mouth when they coughed. YOU would want a handkerchief to cover your mouth and nose.


If I'm in the room with an Ebola victim, and I don't have a CDC hazmat suit, I'm a dead man.

Those two handkerchiefs might well protect you if you were only kept in the room for 20 minutes but not 2 hours. You'd certainly want an N95 mask if not a full face P100 mask.

The science says otherwise.

South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan showed that masks worked early in the pandemic because despite being nearby to the epicenter geographically, the greater speed of spread was further away in a society that does not wear masks - America. Eventually the masks stopped working because of mask fatigue.

WRONG.

The WHO (which Trump wisely withdrew American support from) cannot be relied upon for data concerning those countries.The WHO denied that the Coronavirus came from the Wuhan lab, (which he paid for.)

There are different ways to wear a mask.. you can wear them hygenically or in a sterile fashion. It is usually depedent on the type of mask you're wearing. Say a surgical mask and an N95 mask.

Nope. The Coronavirus is smaller than the open spaces on the mask. It can get through.

The science is clear.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/08/02/cnn-guest-actually-cloth-masks-dont-really-work-against-wuhan-coronavirus-n2593473


Disease Expert Tells CNN: Most Masks Don't Really Work Against Wuhan Coronavirus


THE PROBLEM IS THAT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO WEAR MASKS. PEOPLE NEED TRAINING IN HOW TO WEAR MASKS TO MAKE THEM MORE EFFECTIVE. N95 NEEDED TO BE MADE MORE WIDELY AVAILABLE.


Actually, election laws need to be enforced, so we don't get incompetent un-elected geezers who open our borders and let in every variant of the Coronavirus.

You've lost this argument. The science says so.
 
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