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The world is on the brink. The world's great powers are flexing at one another

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Well, Russia was contained for more than 20 years until Trump systematically softened up Ukraine and NATO for them.
I thought they attacked Ukraine while Obama was in office? Did you forget that? They were "contained" while Trump was in office. It's time we follow a Trumpian foreign policy based on trade, not conflict. Your way simply only benefits the MIC.
 

EatTheRich

President
I thought they attacked Ukraine while Obama was in office? Did you forget that? They were "contained" while Trump was in office. It's time we follow a Trumpian foreign policy based on trade, not conflict. Your way simply only benefits the MIC.
I have said before and I say again that Trump’s was the best foreign policy of a U.S. president since Carter. But it did come at the expense of among others the Ukrainians due to the strengthening of the U.S.’s rivals and the weakening of the U.S. it occasioned.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
I have said before and I say again that Trump’s was the best foreign policy of a U.S. president since Carter. But it did come at the expense of among others the Ukrainians due to the strengthening of the U.S.’s rivals and the weakening of the U.S. it occasioned.
The idea that the US was weaker under Trump than it is now (or was under Obama) is preposterous.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
I have said before and I say again that Trump’s was the best foreign policy of a U.S. president since Carter. But it did come at the expense of among others the Ukrainians due to the strengthening of the U.S.’s rivals and the weakening of the U.S. it occasioned.
Except for the obvious affirmation of weakening of the US....it is under this administration that Russia marched in to Ukraine unopposed....and it's this administations foreign policy that allows it to continue.
The US's rivals are emboldened by our temerity
 

God of War

Lets go Brandon!
I have said before and I say again that Trump’s was the best foreign policy of a U.S. president since Carter. But it did come at the expense of among others the Ukrainians due to the strengthening of the U.S.’s rivals and the weakening of the U.S. it occasioned.
The European Union has a larger population and a larger economy than the U.S. (well they used to but it is still $18T). They need to pay their equal share as Trump demanded. Germany scared said they would but then Biden and fools jumped in and started doing it all for them again and again Germany has stepped back from its most recent commitments to Ukraine.

Ukraine has to hope Europe does more because the U.S. won't go to war for them. And already Europe is balking at the fuel costs and related inflation to the war. There may be widespread riots in the UK over inflation soon enough.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
The European Union has a larger population and a larger economy than the U.S. (well they used to but it is still $18T). They need to pay their equal share as Trump demanded. Germany scared said they would but then Biden and fools jumped in and started doing it all for them again and again Germany has stepped back from its most recent commitments to Ukraine.

Ukraine has to hope Europe does more because the U.S. won't go to war for them. And already Europe is balking at the fuel costs and related inflation to the war. There may be widespread riots in the UK over inflation soon enough.
Europe will fold when the weather turns cooler. Putin knows this...
 

God of War

Lets go Brandon!
The faster the US can increase that supply the better
Agree but this president can't do it. With this president a peace agreement is the best he'll do for you unless he isn't done using you to kill Putin. I wouldn't trust America as far a you can toss her. She's betrayed many allies and is in it 100% for herself.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Agree but this president can't do it. With this president a peace agreement is the best he'll do for you unless he isn't done using you to kill Putin. I wouldn't trust America as far a you can toss her. She's betrayed many allies and is in it 100% for herself.
Ukrainians aren't dumb. America will either find a worthwhile ally...or soon Ukraine will decide it is being played....
 

God of War

Lets go Brandon!
Ukrainians aren't dumb. America will either find a worthwhile ally...or soon Ukraine will decide it is being played....
Sue for peace or at least a cease fire. Get some UN Peace Keepers for this coming winter.

America has been honest. She'll take your well educated white refugees but she ain't fighting for you. We Americans have been wanting to go into retrenchment mode for a couple of years since before 9/11. We want to be largely off the world stage for a few years if we can manage it. You can see it in the volunteer army being unable to recruit. They clot shot you, they CRT brain wash you, they tell you America sucks and the fly over country boys ain't playing with the globo-homos. They are waiting for them to exist stage left. Hopefully they can be de-planeted. ha ha Sent to Mars or something.
 

EatTheRich

President
Except for the obvious affirmation of weakening of the US....it is under this administration that Russia marched in to Ukraine unopposed....and it's this administations foreign policy that allows it to continue.
The US's rivals are emboldened by our temerity
Yes. While Trump was in office, Putin was content to sit back and watch the U.S. get weaker and Russia get stronger. When Biden replaced Trump, Putin knew he had to do something to keep the situation from reversing itself.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
The U.S. has been in decline since the Johnson administration. 3 big turning points accelerating that decline were the 1991 and 2003 Iraq invasions and the election of Trump.
Certainly George W. Bush was the worst President ever, so bad he drove Hunter Thompson to put a bullet in his brain.

But certainly if you don't see Biden as Bush's equal in that department, you simply are incapable of being objective.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Certainly George W. Bush was the worst President ever, so bad he drove Hunter Thompson to put a bullet in his brain.

But certainly if you don't see Biden as Bush's equal in that department, you simply are incapable of being objective.
You think you are objective? Hilarious!
 
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