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This is what oligarchy looks like

Bugsy McGurk

President
The US posed the same threat to Russia in Ukraine as Soviet missiles posed to the US in 1962.

Genocide Joe has been the head cheerleader for NATO expansion to the Russian border for decades; how's that for rational?

The US "invested" $5 billion in Ukraine for "democracy promotion" between 1991 and 2014 culminating in Victoria Nuland's intercepted phone call which confirmed US complicity in the violent, Nazi-led overthrow of a democratically elected president of Ukraine.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

"Nuland: [Breaks in] I think Yats is the guy who's got the economic experience, the governing experience. He's the... what he needs is Klitsch and Tyahnybok on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week, you know. I just think Klitsch going in... he's going to be at that level working for Yatseniuk, it's just not going to work..."

"Nuland: So on that piece Geoff, when I wrote the note [US vice-president's national security adviser Jake] Sullivan's come back to me VFR [direct to me], saying you need [US Vice-President Joe] Biden and I said probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the deets [details] to stick. So Biden's willing."

How many Ukrainians are dead today because of atta-boy Joe?
You are bound and determined to blame Putin’s invasion of Ukraine on the U.S. Such hooey is music to Putin’s ears, but I have no interest in hearing such drivel.
 
You are bound and determined to blame Putin’s invasion of Ukraine on the U.S. Such hooey is music to Putin’s ears, but I have no interest in hearing such drivel.
Because a Democrat occupies the White House.

The US has been using Ukraine as a launching pad to destabilize Russia/USSR since Harry Truman was POTUS:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/11/covert-operation-ukrainian-independence-haunts-cia-00029968

"In late 1949, a series of unmarked flights began launching from central Europe. Gargantuan C-47s, flown by Hungarian or Czech pilots, barreled toward Turkey, and then turned north over the Black Sea, evading radar by flying barely above the ground.

"As the planes flew over Lviv a string of parachutes opened, a handful of commandos tumbling into the sky over Soviet Ukraine.

"On the ground, they linked up with Ukrainian resistance fighters trying to beat back Soviet expansionism."
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Because a Democrat occupies the White House.

The US has been using Ukraine as a launching pad to destabilize Russia/USSR since Harry Truman was POTUS:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/11/covert-operation-ukrainian-independence-haunts-cia-00029968

"In late 1949, a series of unmarked flights began launching from central Europe. Gargantuan C-47s, flown by Hungarian or Czech pilots, barreled toward Turkey, and then turned north over the Black Sea, evading radar by flying barely above the ground.

"As the planes flew over Lviv a string of parachutes opened, a handful of commandos tumbling into the sky over Soviet Ukraine.

"On the ground, they linked up with Ukrainian resistance fighters trying to beat back Soviet expansionism."
Have you ever thought of moving to Russia, so you can be among your kind?
 
FYI, we’re talking about aid to Ukraine. The lameness of your opposition to our aid to them is confirmed by your hopping off to Gaza.

I do think you would be much happier in Russia. No?
We're talking about the appearance of oligarchy, remember?
Capitalists become oligarchs by bribing chicken hawks like Dick Cheney and Joe Biden to provoke wars from Iraq to Ukraine and subsidize ethnic cleansing in Gaza.
What does genocide look like to you?

https://mondoweiss.net/2024/04/operation-al-aqsa-flood-day-179-israel-kills-7-international-aid-workers-in-central-gaza-passes-law-banning-al-jazeera/?ml_recipient=117514136789714163&ml_link=117513984811206277&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=2024-04-02&utm_campaign=Daily+Headlines+RSS+Automation

"Operation Al-Aqsa Flood’ Day 179: Israel kills 7 international aid workers in central Gaza, passes law banning Al Jazeera..."

"Casualties
  • "32,916+ killed* and at least 75,494 wounded in the Gaza Strip.
  • 451+ Palestinians killed in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.**
  • Israel revises its estimated October 7 death toll down from 1,400 to 1,139.
  • 600 Israeli soldiers have been killed since October 7, and at least 3,302 injured.***"
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
We're talking about the appearance of oligarchy, remember?
Capitalists become oligarchs by bribing chicken hawks like Dick Cheney and Joe Biden to provoke wars from Iraq to Ukraine and subsidize ethnic cleansing in Gaza.
What does genocide look like to you?

https://mondoweiss.net/2024/04/operation-al-aqsa-flood-day-179-israel-kills-7-international-aid-workers-in-central-gaza-passes-law-banning-al-jazeera/?ml_recipient=117514136789714163&ml_link=117513984811206277&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=2024-04-02&utm_campaign=Daily+Headlines+RSS+Automation

"Operation Al-Aqsa Flood’ Day 179: Israel kills 7 international aid workers in central Gaza, passes law banning Al Jazeera..."

"Casualties
  • "32,916+ killed* and at least 75,494 wounded in the Gaza Strip.
  • 451+ Palestinians killed in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.**
  • Israel revises its estimated October 7 death toll down from 1,400 to 1,139.
  • 600 Israeli soldiers have been killed since October 7, and at least 3,302 injured.***"
To help you with your recall, the discussion was about whether to assist Ukraine with military aid, or throw them to the Russian wolves. You choose the latter. We disagree.
 
To help you with your recall, the discussion was about whether to assist Ukraine with military aid, or throw them to the Russian wolves. You choose the latter. We disagree.
Your premise is faulty, at best.
Biden has been a disaster for Ukraine for the last decade.
Ukraine v Russia was doomed to failure and now it has failed.
Utterly.
Biden's only concern is preventing the reality of that abject failure to fully materialize before next November.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Your premise is faulty, at best.
Biden has been a disaster for Ukraine for the last decade.
Ukraine v Russia was doomed to failure and now it has failed.
Utterly.
Biden's only concern is preventing the reality of that abject failure to fully materialize before next November.
There is no “premise” to help you evade the question. There is simply the question - provide aid to the Ukrainians fighting to fend off Russia’s conquest, or throw them to the Russian wolves. You choose the latter, which is unrelated to your rather ridiculous struggle to blame Putin’s invasion on the U.S.
 
There is no “premise” to help you evade the question. There is simply the question - provide aid to the Ukrainians fighting to fend off Russia’s conquest, or throw them to the Russian wolves. You choose the latter, which is unrelated to your rather ridiculous struggle to blame Putin’s invasion on the U.S.
Here's your incorrect proposition:

To help you with your recall, the discussion was about whether to assist Ukraine with military aid, or throw them to the Russian wolves. You choose the latter. We disagree.
No amount of US/NATO military aid to Ukraine would have ever prevented an eventual Russian victory in Ukraine. The correct choice is between preventing the collapse of the US puppet government in Kiev before or after next November.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/2/joe-biden-michigan-visit-highlights-rift-with-arab-american-community
 
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