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sensible don

Governor
Supporting Member
Nobody is calling people who engaged in violence, a super patriot. Those being called that are the overwhelming majority of protestors who were peaceful, received guided tours by Capitol police (who took selfies with them), and the majority who only protested OUTSIDE, and never even set foot in the capitol.

No, the chart is NOT bullshit, and the bottom line of it is a reflection of the grasp that the mainstream (left), distortion media has over the American people.

The fact that you do not defend and SUPPORT Trump, after 4 years of a highly successful presidency, says a lot about you, and how easily DUPED you can be.
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MTG is calling them patriots..visiting them in jail trying to get them more internet time - oh the horror of it all
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
FALSE! 2015 & 2016 had GDP sinking like a rock to near zero. Then, after Trump came in, GDP rose in 2017& 2018 continually, to 4.2%, and inflation was a mere 1.4%

Here's 2 different versions of the V-GRAPH (which left-media NEVER shows) - both from the BEA, take your pick. They both show Obama's dismal last 2 years, and Trump making America great again, in 2017/2018.

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In the 2 quarters before he left, GDP rose very well, including an HUMONGEOUS jump of 66% in the 3rd quarter of 2020. Oil productoin was rising, only to have a plummet of oil production in Biden's first month, which was one of the major factors of the Biden inflation, worst in 40 years.

Trump did not incite any riot, and on Jan 6, he exhorted his supporters to protest PEACEFULLY & PATRIOTICALLY" and make their "VOICES heard"

Got a link to this "Bat shit crazy claim " of the NY Post ? View attachment 74449
  • U.S. gdp growth rate for 2021 was 5.95%, a 8.71% increase from 2020.
  • U.S. gdp growth rate for 2020 was -2.77%, a 5.06% decline from 2019.
  • U.S. gdp growth rate for 2019 was 2.29%, a 0.65% decline from 2018.
  • U.S. gdp growth rate for 2018 was 2.95%, a 0.7% increase from 2017.

Yes, the GDP improved by 35% in the 3rd quarter after dropping by 30% in the 2nd quarter. That is the annualized change in GDP.


oil production dropped from a peak of 13,000,000 barrels per day in November 2019.
It dropped to 9,713,000 per day in May 2020..


Trump said they needed to "stop the steal" and "fight like hell or you won't have a country any more".

So if the point was really to "make their voices heard"...why do it on the day of a closed session in congress while they count the electors? Why not the day before? Why not the weekend before when protesters could actually have met with their congressmen?

When it turned into a riot, why did Trump sit and watch for 3 hours instead of sending help?

The mob was doing exactly what he wanted. He hoped for a delay so he could get republican legislatures to appoint electors who'd declare him the winner. Illegal as hell, but that was the very obvious intent.
 
40 boxes...20 returned after a year of "negotiations"...20 more 8 months later, after saying all had been returned...

No matter where they were, or when,there is nothing to say Trump took documents from the White House, or ever knew they entered Mar a Lago.
 
  • U.S. gdp growth rate for 2021 was 5.95%, a 8.71% increase from 2020.
  • U.S. gdp growth rate for 2020 was -2.77%, a 5.06% decline from 2019.
  • U.S. gdp growth rate for 2019 was 2.29%, a 0.65% decline from 2018.
  • U.S. gdp growth rate for 2018 was 2.95%, a 0.7% increase from 2017.

Yes, the GDP improved by 35% in the 3rd quarter after dropping by 30% in the 2nd quarter. That is the annualized change in GDP.


oil production dropped from a peak of 13,000,000 barrels per day in November 2019.
It dropped to 9,713,000 per day in May 2020..


Trump said they needed to "stop the steal" and "fight like hell or you won't have a country any more".

So if the point was really to "make their voices heard"...why do it on the day of a closed session in congress while they count the electors? Why not the day before? Why not the weekend before when protesters could actually have met with their congressmen?

When it turned into a riot, why did Trump sit and watch for 3 hours instead of sending help?

The mob was doing exactly what he wanted. He hoped for a delay so he could get republican legislatures to appoint electors who'd declare him the winner. Illegal as hell, but that was the very obvious intent.
1. None of those GDP stats change what I said about jackforfreedom's false post >> "Trump came into office after 6 straight years of economic growth and prosperity."
Actually, Trump came into office after 2 years of SINKING economic growth (GDP), and reversed it upward, in his first 2 years 2017 & 2018, as my BEA V-GRAPHS clearly showed.

2. No, the GDP improved 65.2% from a shutdowns low of 29.9 (2nd quarter 2020) to high of 35.3 (3d quarter 2020)

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3. Your stats of oil production don't change what I said about oil production plummetting from Trump's last minth to Biden's first month (when he ordered drilling cancellations)
They also don't change the fact that Trump's overall numbers on oil drilling, dwarf Biden's numbers.
Biden's production is a major reduction from what Trumps production was, and even much more major, when we extrapolate Trump's rising line to January 2023, if he had retained the presidency.

Oil production overall not only increased, during the Trump administration, it soared, and was vastly greater than the production we've gotten with Biden.
Trump production
December 2019 - 402.3 Million Barrels/month
January 2020 - 398.4
And Trump exceeded Biden's top month of 371.2 Million Barrels/month NINE TIMES, despite the Obama low production influences and later, the pandemic months reductions. And note also that Biden's top production month of 371.2, was recently in August of 2022, when he started increasing production, to try to lower gas prices, as we started getting closer to the 2022 ELECTION.

Biden's 2021 average is 341 Million Barrels/month compared to Trump's 374.
Biden's 2022 average (when he ramped up production as the 2022 election drew closer) wasn't much better > 354.

See monthly oil production stats in this US EIA chart >>>


8
2017275,117255,081284,146273,041284,727273,321286,657286,759285,499299,726302,564309,486
2018310,032287,870324,467314,996323,491319,216337,814353,154343,298356,767356,583370,284
2019367,924326,845369,292364,458376,763366,546368,965387,073377,710397,094390,010402,314
2020398,420372,419396,693357,412301,105313,275341,184327,875327,623324,180335,867346,223
2021344,846277,891351,102339,142352,036340,693351,757349,600327,526358,626353,702360,666
2022352,449316,851362,725350,052360,503353,918367,164371,339368,040

U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels)

AND, if we extrapolate the EIA graph curve of Trump to now (Dec. 2022) if Trump were still president, it would be whopping 580 Million Barrels/month - HUNDREDS of Barrels/month more than Biden ever allowed produced.

U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels)


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Look at the graph line where it peaked at 402 Million Barrels/mo in December of 2019. Because of the climb up to that point, there is every reason to believe, that had the pandemic shutdowns not occured, that rising line would have continued rising exactly as it was already doing. And if Trump had remained president, and we thereby extend-extrapolate the line to as far as December 2022, we can easily see that it would be at about 580 Million Barrels/mo

(209 million Barrels/mo more than Biden's measly 371 Million).

Go ahead - put a ruler on the line that starts at 2017 when Trump took over, and look at where it goes to for December 2022 > 580 Million


All one need do to see the stark difference between the oil-friendly Trump and the oil-hostile Biden, is look at the NOSEDIVE oil production took between Trump's last month, and Biden's first month (when he issued an EO to halt oil drilling)
Trump's last month in office was January 2021 - production was 344 MB/mo. Bidens first month was 277.
A DROP of a whopping 67 MB/mo


www.marketplace.org


Biden signs executive order pausing federal drilling leases
What will Biden's order mean for the energy industry and the effort to halt climate change?
 
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He hoped for a delay so he could get republican legislatures to appoint electors who'd declare him the winner. Illegal as hell, but that was the very obvious intent.
It was not illegal at all. The Constitution tells us what is legal.
Article 2, Section 1, Clause 2 >>

"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress;
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
No matter where they were, or when,there is nothing to say Trump took documents from the White House, or ever knew they entered Mar a Lago.
That is the reason to interview his staff...do you really think he didn't know about what was in his desk, same drawer as his passport?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
It was not illegal at all. The Constitution tells us what is legal.
Article 2, Section 1, Clause 2 >>

"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress;
The law in every state mandates electors are chosen based on the popular vote. Getting republican legislators to throw out the electors that had been sent by the battleground states would have been illegal.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
1. None of those GDP stats change what I said about jackforfreedom's false post >> "Trump came into office after 6 straight years of economic growth and prosperity."
Actually, Trump came into office after 2 years of SINKING economic growth (GDP), and reversed it upward, in his first 2 years 2017 & 2018, as my BEA V-GRAPHS clearly showed.

2. No, the GDP improved 65.2% from a shutdowns low of 29.9 (2nd quarter 2020) to high of 35.3 (3d quarter 2020)

View attachment 74469

3. Your stats of oil production don't change what I said about oil production plummetting from Trump's last minth to Biden's first month (when he ordered drilling cancellations)
They also don't change the fact that Trump's overall numbers on oil drilling, dwarf Biden's numbers.
Biden's production is a major reduction from what Trumps production was, and even much more major, when we extrapolate Trump's rising line to January 2023, if he had retained the presidency.

Oil production overall not only increased, during the Trump administration, it soared, and was vastly greater than the production we've gotten with Biden.
Trump production
December 2019 - 402.3 Million Barrels/month
January 2020 - 398.4
And Trump exceeded Biden's top month of 371.2 Million Barrels/month NINE TIMES, despite the Obama low production influences and later, the pandemic months reductions. And note also that Biden's top production month of 371.2, was recently in August of 2022, when he started increasing production, to try to lower gas prices, as we started getting closer to the 2022 ELECTION.

Biden's 2021 average is 341 Million Barrels/month compared to Trump's 374.
Biden's 2022 average (when he ramped up production as the 2022 election drew closer) wasn't much better > 354.

See monthly oil production stats in this US EIA chart >>>


8
2017275,117255,081284,146273,041284,727273,321286,657286,759285,499299,726302,564309,486
2018310,032287,870324,467314,996323,491319,216337,814353,154343,298356,767356,583370,284
2019367,924326,845369,292364,458376,763366,546368,965387,073377,710397,094390,010402,314
2020398,420372,419396,693357,412301,105313,275341,184327,875327,623324,180335,867346,223
2021344,846277,891351,102339,142352,036340,693351,757349,600327,526358,626353,702360,666
2022352,449316,851362,725350,052360,503353,918367,164371,339368,040

U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels)

AND, if we extrapolate the EIA graph curve of Trump to now (Dec. 2022) if Trump were still president, it would be whopping 580 Million Barrels/month - HUNDREDS of Barrels/month more than Biden ever allowed produced.

U.S. Field Production of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels)


1670667430855.png


Look at the graph line where it peaked at 402 Million Barrels/mo in December of 2019. Because of the climb up to that point, there is every reason to believe, that had the pandemic shutdowns not occured, that rising line would have continued rising exactly as it was already doing. And if Trump had remained president, and we thereby extend-extrapolate the line to as far as December 2022, we can easily see that it would be at about 580 Million Barrels/mo

(209 million Barrels/mo more than Biden's measly 371 Million).

Go ahead - put a ruler on the line that starts at 2017 when Trump took over, and look at where it goes to for December 2022 > 580 Million


All one need do to see the stark difference between the oil-friendly Trump and the oil-hostile Biden, is look at the NOSEDIVE oil production took between Trump's last month, and Biden's first month (when he issued an EO to halt oil drilling)
Trump's last month in office was January 2021 - production was 344 MB/mo. Bidens first month was 277.
A DROP of a whopping 67 MB/mo


www.marketplace.org


Biden signs executive order pausing federal drilling leases
What will Biden's order mean for the energy industry and the effort to halt climate change?
so the GDP drops 4% in Q1 2020 and 29% in Q2 and you brag about Q3....

Unemployment was still 7% in December 2020...yet you claim Trump "created" 11 million jobs...
 

Number_58

I'm one of the deplorables lefty warns you about.
Well..if they have evidence...how is it BS?

I agree with the fact that everyone is beating this to death... There either is or is not. Milking it is doing little but fomenting discord
They have another two years to drag this out.

They don't actually intend to do anything except use it as a distraction leading into an election that could be a tough one for the Democrats.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
They have another two years to drag this out.

They don't actually intend to do anything except use it as a distraction leading into an election that could be a tough one for the Democrats.
i fear that is correct. this is a huge miscalculation. Huge.
 
The law in every state mandates electors are chosen based on the popular vote. Getting republican legislators to throw out the electors that had been sent by the battleground states would have been illegal.
The legislatures of the battleground states, according to the Constitution, are who shoud be sending the electors. That wasn't done. When Trump tried to have it be done, Pence strangely stood in the way, by ignorance or stupidity or both.
 
so the GDP drops 4% in Q1 2020 and 29% in Q2 and you brag about Q3....

Unemployment was still 7% in December 2020...yet you claim Trump "created" 11 million jobs...
Yeah, I brag about Q3, and we both know that Qs 1 & 2 were simply a reflection of pandemic shutdowns engineering and maintained by Democrats (ex.Pelosi who refused to allow stimulus checks to be sent)

Yeah, I claim that Trump created 11 million jobs, because that's exactly what he did..
 
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