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Trump Has Sabotaged America’s Coronavirus Response

FakeName

Governor
Gotcha. It was Nutty Cortez's chart. I thought it was yours. So fair enough, it wasn't your chart. You just lied, you didn't lie in a chart
I haven't lied at all. this is the quote I provided that details EXACTLY what was cut. These are facts.




This is what was cut :

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For the United States, the answers are especially worrying because the government has intentionally rendered itself incapable. In 2018, the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure. In numerous phone calls and emails with key agencies across the U.S. government, the only consistent response I encountered was distressed confusion. If the United States still has a clear chain of command for pandemic response, the White House urgently needs to clarify what it is—not just for the public but for the government itself, which largely finds itself in the dark.

If the United States still has a clear chain of command for pandemic response, the White House urgently needs to clarify what it is
When Ebola broke out in West Africa in 2014, President Barack Obama recognized that responding to the outbreak overseas, while also protecting Americans at home, involved multiple U.S. government departments and agencies, none of which were speaking to one another. Basically, the U.S. pandemic infrastructure was an enormous orchestra full of talented, egotistical players, each jockeying for solos and fame, refusing to rehearse, and demanding higher salaries—all without a conductor. To bring order and harmony to the chaos, rein in the agency egos, and create a coherent multiagency response overseas and on the homefront, Obama anointed a former vice presidential staffer, Ronald Klain, as a sort of “epidemic czar” inside the White House, clearly stipulated the roles and budgets of various agencies, and placed incident commanders in charge in each Ebola-hit country and inside the United States. The orchestra may have still had its off-key instruments, but it played the same tune.

Building on the Ebola experience, the Obama administration set up a permanent epidemic monitoring and command group inside the White House National Security Council (NSC) and another in the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)—both of which followed the scientific and public health leads of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the diplomatic advice of the State Department.

On the domestic front, the real business of assuring public health and safety is a local matter, executed by state, county, and city departments that operate under a mosaic of laws and regulations that vary jurisdiction by jurisdiction. Some massive cities, such as New York City or Boston, have large budgets, clear regulations, and epidemic experiences that have left deep benches of medical and public health talent. But much of the United States is less fortunate on the local level, struggling with underfunded agencies, understaffing, and no genuine epidemic experience. Large and small, America’s localities rely in times of public health crisis on the federal government.

Bureaucracy matters. Without it, there’s nothing to coherently manage an alphabet soup of agencies housed in departments ranging from Defense to Commerce, Homeland Security to Health and Human Services (HHS).


But that’s all gone now."

Can you respond to the facts?
 

Mick

The Right is always right
I haven't lied at all. this the quote I provided that details EXACTLY what was cut. These are facts.




This is what was cut :

"
For the United States, the answers are especially worrying because the government has intentionally rendered itself incapable. In 2018, the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure. In numerous phone calls and emails with key agencies across the U.S. government, the only consistent response I encountered was distressed confusion. If the United States still has a clear chain of command for pandemic response, the White House urgently needs to clarify what it is—not just for the public but for the government itself, which largely finds itself in the dark.


When Ebola broke out in West Africa in 2014, President Barack Obama recognized that responding to the outbreak overseas, while also protecting Americans at home, involved multiple U.S. government departments and agencies, none of which were speaking to one another. Basically, the U.S. pandemic infrastructure was an enormous orchestra full of talented, egotistical players, each jockeying for solos and fame, refusing to rehearse, and demanding higher salaries—all without a conductor. To bring order and harmony to the chaos, rein in the agency egos, and create a coherent multiagency response overseas and on the homefront, Obama anointed a former vice presidential staffer, Ronald Klain, as a sort of “epidemic czar” inside the White House, clearly stipulated the roles and budgets of various agencies, and placed incident commanders in charge in each Ebola-hit country and inside the United States. The orchestra may have still had its off-key instruments, but it played the same tune.

Building on the Ebola experience, the Obama administration set up a permanent epidemic monitoring and command group inside the White House National Security Council (NSC) and another in the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)—both of which followed the scientific and public health leads of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the diplomatic advice of the State Department.

On the domestic front, the real business of assuring public health and safety is a local matter, executed by state, county, and city departments that operate under a mosaic of laws and regulations that vary jurisdiction by jurisdiction. Some massive cities, such as New York City or Boston, have large budgets, clear regulations, and epidemic experiences that have left deep benches of medical and public health talent. But much of the United States is less fortunate on the local level, struggling with underfunded agencies, understaffing, and no genuine epidemic experience. Large and small, America’s localities rely in times of public health crisis on the federal government.

Bureaucracy matters. Without it, there’s nothing to coherently manage an alphabet soup of agencies housed in departments ranging from Defense to Commerce, Homeland Security to Health and Human Services (HHS).


But that’s all gone now.

Except the CDC has received more funding in the last 3 years for emerging and zoonotic infectious diseases than any 3 years in history.....with incremental increases each year.

Something is indeed gone.....but it's not America's ability to defend itself from newly emerging infectious diseases as it has more money and resources now than it ever had. What's gone are the last remaining brain cells among those suffering from TDS. There is no known cure to that nonsense.
 

Mick

The Right is always right
They had an infrastructure in place for responding rapidly and effectively to emerging pathogens. An infrastructure Trump largely dismantled.
You mean Obama's "infrastructure" that he coddled together in the last 2 years of his Presidency that had little funding? What would you specifically expect them to do that the current infrastructure and its massive spending could not do? You mean produce ZERO American deaths so far?

Think, man, think.
 

EatTheRich

President
Except the CDC has received more funding in the last 3 years for emerging and zoonotic infectious diseases than any 3 years in history.....with incremental increases each year.

Something is indeed gone.....but it's not America's ability to defend itself from newly emerging infectious diseases as it has more money and resources now than it ever had. What's gone are the last remaining brain cells among those suffering from TDS. There is no known cure to that nonsense.
Look up baseline budgeting and get back to us ... the funding allotments aren’t even enough for the agencies to tread water.
 

EatTheRich

President
You mean Obama's "infrastructure" that he coddled together in the last 2 years of his Presidency that had little funding? What would you specifically expect them to do that the current infrastructure and its massive spending could not do? You mean produce ZERO American deaths so far?

Think, man, think.
With adequate funding, there would have been early detection, a plan in place, test kits in every hospital not long after the first cases appeared, and a nationally coordinated quarantine.
 

Mick

The Right is always right
Do the math ... 80% projected infection rate and >2% mortality rate ...
Out of China? Do the common sense. There is a lot about this we don't know. 60 Americans have been infected and not one has died. Effective mortality rate of zero. Don't be a left wing douche.
 

Mick

The Right is always right
Look up baseline budgeting and get back to us ... the funding allotments aren’t even enough for the agencies to tread water.
I linked you to the funding. The funding for infectious and zoonotic diseases has set a record for each year Trump has been in office....from 2018 to 2019 to 2020. You have no idea what is treading water or not. You just make horsehit up. It's called TDS.
 

Mick

The Right is always right
With adequate funding, there would have been early detection, a plan in place, test kits in every hospital not long after the first cases appeared, and a nationally coordinated quarantine.

Early detection in place? Jesus Christ, you babble nothing. The goddamn disease originated in China and the Chinese refused the assistance of the CDC for weeks. There have been very few cases for the CDC to even analyze over a very short period of time. They've done one hell of a job considering that the Chinese are claiming 80,000 people have been infected. Not one American life has been lost. Only 60 have been infected......and most of those were travelers in high risk areas (out of U.S. control).

We have the numbers that say you are a liar. Of course, mental illness and a low IQ contribute to that.
 

kaz

Small l libertarian
I haven't lied at all. this is the quote I provided that details EXACTLY what was cut. These are facts.




This is what was cut :

"
For the United States, the answers are especially worrying because the government has intentionally rendered itself incapable. In 2018, the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure. In numerous phone calls and emails with key agencies across the U.S. government, the only consistent response I encountered was distressed confusion. If the United States still has a clear chain of command for pandemic response, the White House urgently needs to clarify what it is—not just for the public but for the government itself, which largely finds itself in the dark.


When Ebola broke out in West Africa in 2014, President Barack Obama recognized that responding to the outbreak overseas, while also protecting Americans at home, involved multiple U.S. government departments and agencies, none of which were speaking to one another. Basically, the U.S. pandemic infrastructure was an enormous orchestra full of talented, egotistical players, each jockeying for solos and fame, refusing to rehearse, and demanding higher salaries—all without a conductor. To bring order and harmony to the chaos, rein in the agency egos, and create a coherent multiagency response overseas and on the homefront, Obama anointed a former vice presidential staffer, Ronald Klain, as a sort of “epidemic czar” inside the White House, clearly stipulated the roles and budgets of various agencies, and placed incident commanders in charge in each Ebola-hit country and inside the United States. The orchestra may have still had its off-key instruments, but it played the same tune.

Building on the Ebola experience, the Obama administration set up a permanent epidemic monitoring and command group inside the White House National Security Council (NSC) and another in the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)—both of which followed the scientific and public health leads of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the diplomatic advice of the State Department.

On the domestic front, the real business of assuring public health and safety is a local matter, executed by state, county, and city departments that operate under a mosaic of laws and regulations that vary jurisdiction by jurisdiction. Some massive cities, such as New York City or Boston, have large budgets, clear regulations, and epidemic experiences that have left deep benches of medical and public health talent. But much of the United States is less fortunate on the local level, struggling with underfunded agencies, understaffing, and no genuine epidemic experience. Large and small, America’s localities rely in times of public health crisis on the federal government.

Bureaucracy matters. Without it, there’s nothing to coherently manage an alphabet soup of agencies housed in departments ranging from Defense to Commerce, Homeland Security to Health and Human Services (HHS).


But that’s all gone now."

Can you respond to the facts?
Repeating a lie doesn't make it truth. The CDC budget GREW every year under Trump. That is the fact.

John Adams: Facts are stubborn things ...
 

Phat Mama

Council Member




President’s budget would hinder US public health progress: Huge cuts proposed
But..but...but... Did this budget get passed?

NO

The House of Reps, led by Pelosi, would rather die before they passed an actual budget.
 

Mr. Friscus

Governor
From what I gather, Trump cut some anti-Ebola programs.

Then... Bloomberg, Biden, and the MSM went "OMG TRUMP IS GUTTING ALL CDC FUNDING EVERYWHERE HE WANTS US TO GET INFECTED"

Typical leftist misinformation.

The fact: Trump cut CDC funding that doesn't affect Coronavirus response.

I don't expect Democrats to face that fact, but that's what happened.
 

FakeName

Governor
Butt...butt...butt... Did this budget get passed?

NO

The House of Reps, led by Pelosi, would rather die before they passed an actual budget.
So are you saying huge cuts to the CDC should be made and Pelosi and the Dem's make you mad for stopping those huge cuts?
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
Repeating a lie doesn't make it truth. The CDC budget GREW every year under Trump. That is the fact.

John Adams: Facts are stubborn things ...
The abject dishonesty that all presidents forevermore must execute to Obama’s end-of-term bureaucracy...led by a non-science political loyalist...or be deemed “saboteur” of America’s ability to manage pandemic crises is asinine.

Trump puts Pence on it...it’s hackery. Obama puts his political ally on it...it’s pure, science and enlightenment. Trump selects a different structure - one that didn’t even exist until a few years ago - and it is patent “sabotage” and it removes all possibility of response. In fact, it magically comprises “cuts” in the face of him RAISING budget allocations.

When people are content to lie, lie again, and repeat lies in the face of published fact...one should refute them once with facts and then move along. You can not ‘argue’ or ‘persuade’ folks into integrity and good character.


...Imagine hating any politician so much that it makes you become a bad person yourself...it leads you to knowingly CHOOSE untruth just to get at him across every issue. Trump has elicited demonstration of this trait across opposing pols, the media, and rank and file citizen alike.

For those who elevate politics to the very level of their faith and fulfillment, all is sacrificed for it.
 
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FakeName

Governor
From what I gather, Trump cut some anti-Ebola programs.

Then... Bloomberg, Biden, and the MSM went "OMG TRUMP IS GUTTING ALL CDC FUNDING EVERYWHERE HE WANTS US TO GET INFECTED"

Typical leftist misinformation.

The fact: Trump cut CDC funding that doesn't affect Coronavirus response.

I don't expect Democrats to face that fact, but that's what happened.
Try actually reading before commenting.

I have quoted the part several times that details EXACTLY what was cut.



This is what was cut :

"


For the United States, the answers are especially worrying because the government has intentionally rendered itself incapable. In 2018, the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure. In numerous phone calls and emails with key agencies across the U.S. government, the only consistent response I encountered was distressed confusion. If the United States still has a clear chain of command for pandemic response, the White House urgently needs to clarify what it is—not just for the public but for the government itself, which largely finds itself in the dark.

If the United States still has a clear chain of command for pandemic response, the White House urgently needs to clarify what it is
When Ebola broke out in West Africa in 2014, President Barack Obama recognized that responding to the outbreak overseas, while also protecting Americans at home, involved multiple U.S. government departments and agencies, none of which were speaking to one another. Basically, the U.S. pandemic infrastructure was an enormous orchestra full of talented, egotistical players, each jockeying for solos and fame, refusing to rehearse, and demanding higher salaries—all without a conductor. To bring order and harmony to the chaos, rein in the agency egos, and create a coherent multiagency response overseas and on the homefront, Obama anointed a former vice presidential staffer, Ronald Klain, as a sort of “epidemic czar” inside the White House, clearly stipulated the roles and budgets of various agencies, and placed incident commanders in charge in each Ebola-hit country and inside the United States. The orchestra may have still had its off-key instruments, but it played the same tune.

Building on the Ebola experience, the Obama administration set up a permanent epidemic monitoring and command group inside the White House National Security Council (NSC) and another in the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)—both of which followed the scientific and public health leads of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the diplomatic advice of the State Department.

On the domestic front, the real business of assuring public health and safety is a local matter, executed by state, county, and city departments that operate under a mosaic of laws and regulations that vary jurisdiction by jurisdiction. Some massive cities, such as New York City or Boston, have large budgets, clear regulations, and epidemic experiences that have left deep benches of medical and public health talent. But much of the United States is less fortunate on the local level, struggling with underfunded agencies, understaffing, and no genuine epidemic experience. Large and small, America’s localities rely in times of public health crisis on the federal government.

Bureaucracy matters. Without it, there’s nothing to coherently manage an alphabet soup of agencies housed in departments ranging from Defense to Commerce, Homeland Security to Health and Human Services (HHS).


But that’s all gone now."
 

FakeName

Governor
The abject dishonesty that all presidents forevermore must execute to Obama’s end-of-term bureaucracy...led by a non-science political loyalist...or be deemed “saboteur” of America’s ability to manage pandemic crises is asinine.

Trump puts Pence on it...it’s hackery. Obama puts his political ally on it...it’s pure, science and enlightenment. Trump selects a different structure - one that didn’t even exist until a few years ago - and it is patent “sabotage” and it removes all possibility of response. In fact, it magically comprises “cuts” in the face of him RAISING budget allocations.

When people are content to lie, lie again, and repeat lies in the face of published fact...one should refute them once with facts and then move along. You can not ‘argue’ or ‘persuade’ folks into integrity and good character.


...Imagine hating any politician so much that it makes you become a bad person yourself...it leads you to knowingly CHOOSE untruth just to get at him across every issue. Trump has demonstrated this trait across opposing pols, the media, and rank and file citizen alike.

For those who elevate politics to the very level of their faith and fulfillment, all is sacrificed for it.
These are facts.

This is true.

This is what was cut :

"


For the United States, the answers are especially worrying because the government has intentionally rendered itself incapable. In 2018, the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure. In numerous phone calls and emails with key agencies across the U.S. government, the only consistent response I encountered was distressed confusion. If the United States still has a clear chain of command for pandemic response, the White House urgently needs to clarify what it is—not just for the public but for the government itself, which largely finds itself in the dark.

If the United States still has a clear chain of command for pandemic response, the White House urgently needs to clarify what it is
When Ebola broke out in West Africa in 2014, President Barack Obama recognized that responding to the outbreak overseas, while also protecting Americans at home, involved multiple U.S. government departments and agencies, none of which were speaking to one another. Basically, the U.S. pandemic infrastructure was an enormous orchestra full of talented, egotistical players, each jockeying for solos and fame, refusing to rehearse, and demanding higher salaries—all without a conductor. To bring order and harmony to the chaos, rein in the agency egos, and create a coherent multiagency response overseas and on the homefront, Obama anointed a former vice presidential staffer, Ronald Klain, as a sort of “epidemic czar” inside the White House, clearly stipulated the roles and budgets of various agencies, and placed incident commanders in charge in each Ebola-hit country and inside the United States. The orchestra may have still had its off-key instruments, but it played the same tune.

Building on the Ebola experience, the Obama administration set up a permanent epidemic monitoring and command group inside the White House National Security Council (NSC) and another in the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)—both of which followed the scientific and public health leads of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the diplomatic advice of the State Department.

On the domestic front, the real business of assuring public health and safety is a local matter, executed by state, county, and city departments that operate under a mosaic of laws and regulations that vary jurisdiction by jurisdiction. Some massive cities, such as New York City or Boston, have large budgets, clear regulations, and epidemic experiences that have left deep benches of medical and public health talent. But much of the United States is less fortunate on the local level, struggling with underfunded agencies, understaffing, and no genuine epidemic experience. Large and small, America’s localities rely in times of public health crisis on the federal government.

Bureaucracy matters. Without it, there’s nothing to coherently manage an alphabet soup of agencies housed in departments ranging from Defense to Commerce, Homeland Security to Health and Human Services (HHS).


But that’s all gone now.
 
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