Uh, oh. Second Batch of docs found. Dissemblers, OT is approved.

[condorkristy]

I never said there was an amendment on it so stop putting words in mouth. The President can classify and declassify at will at any time for any reason. Those in the executive branch that work with classified materials only do it under the President's direction.


The president’s classification and declassification powers are broad
Experts agreed that the president, as commander in chief, is ultimately responsible for classification and declassification. When people lower in the chain of command handle classification and declassification duties — which is usually how it’s done — it’s because they have been delegated to do so by the president directly, or by an appointee chosen by the president.

The majority ruling in the 1988 Supreme Court case Department of Navy vs. Egan — which addressed the legal recourse of a Navy employee who had been denied a security clearance — addresses this line of authority.

"The President, after all, is the ‘Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States’" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court’s majority wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."

Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, said that such authority gives the president the authority to "classify and declassify at will."

In fact, Robert F. Turner, associate director of the University of Virginia's Center for National Security Law, said that "if Congress were to enact a statute seeking to limit the president’s authority to classify or declassify national security information, or to prohibit him from sharing certain kinds of information with Russia, it would raise serious separation of powers constitutional issues."

The official documents governing classification and declassification stem from executive orders. But even these executive orders aren’t necessarily binding on the president. The president is not "obliged to follow any procedures other than those that he himself has prescribed," Aftergood said. "And he can change those."

Indeed, the controlling executive order has been rewritten by multiple presidents. The current version of the order was issued by President Barack Obama in 2009.

The national-security experts at the blog Lawfare wrote in the wake of the Post’s revelation that the "infamous comment" by President Richard Nixon — that "when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal" — "is actually true about some things. Classified information is one of them. The nature of the system is that the president gets to disclose what he wants."

PolitiFact - Does the president have 'the ability to declassify anything at any time'?

The blockbuster article in The Washington Post saying President Donald Trump had "revealed highly classified information

www.politifact.com

Thats true...you didn't say it was in an amendment.

You said it was in the Constitution.

Its not.

 

[JohnJohnson]

You said it was in the Constitution.

It is. It's under the Constitutional broad authority that is given to the President. Once the sitting POTUS decides something is declassified then that's it. The document/information or whatever is no longer classified. Typically, the President(due to overwhelming demands) will work with advisors to do this or may delegate the decision/process entirely to subordinates that work at the President's pleasure in the executive branch. But it all circles back the President's authority. And the President can intervene on subordinates and unilaterally declassify anything at any point for any reason without needing approval from anyone.

Facts.

 

[condorkristy]

It is. It's under the Constitutional broad authority that is given to the President. Once the sitting POTUS decides something is declassified then that's it. The document/information or whatever is no longer classified. Typically, the President(due to overwhelming demands) will work with advisors to do this or may delegate the decision/process entirely to subordinates that work at the President's pleasure in the executive branch. But it all circles back the President's authority. And the President can intervene on subordinates and unilaterally declassify anything at any point for any reason without needing approval from anyone.

Facts.

Still no quoting of the document.

You don't want to be accused of interpreting the constitution, do you?

 

[JohnJohnson]

Still no quoting of the document.

"The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America."

The executive branch, with full authority and power of the President at its head, has complete control of classified material. All others in the executive branch work at the President's pleasure. He can hire them, fire them, reassign them. Do whatever he wants with them at any time for any reason. These individuals only classify/declassify and work with classified materials when the President has delegated that authority to them.

I'm not sure who or what you believe executive branch power resides in but you sound deranged.

 

[EatTheRich]

It is. It's under the Constitutional broad authority that is given to the President. Once the sitting POTUS decides something is declassified then that's it. The document/information or whatever is no longer classified. Typically, the President(due to overwhelming demands) will work with advisors to do this or may delegate the decision/process entirely to subordinates that work at the President's pleasure in the executive branch. But it all circles back the President's authority. And the President can intervene on subordinates and unilaterally declassify anything at any point for any reason without needing approval from anyone.

Facts.

And when that happens the document is reprinted with the removal of classification markings noted. The president also gives a written order to declassify and a statement of justification, per statute and custom.

 

[JohnJohnson]

And when that happens the document is reprinted with the removal of classification markings noted. The president also gives a written order to declassify and a statement of justification, per statute and custom.

What statute? You care to cite it?

 

[condorkristy]

"The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America."

The executive branch, with full authority and power of the President at its head, has complete control of classified material. All others in the executive branch work at the President's pleasure. He can hire them, fire them, reassign them. Do whatever he wants with them at any time for any reason. These individuals only classify/declassify and work with classified materials when the President has delegated that authority to them.

I'm not sure who or what you believe executive branch power resides in but you sound deranged.

The term "executive power" is not defined; the power is not itemized.

 

[JohnJohnson]

The term "executive power" is not defined; the power is not itemized.

You need basic English words defined for you? WTF?

And what fucknut needs every single thing "itemized" under the judicial, legislative, and executive branches? We know what's under each branch. Classified material is the domain of the executive branch under the direction of the President.

I said you sounded deranged earlier. I think you are worse than that now. You just got your ass handed to you in epic fashion!

 

[condorkristy]

You need basic English words defined for you? WTF?

And what fucknut needs every single thing "itemized" under the judicial, legislative, and executive branches? We know what's under each branch. Classified material is the domain of the executive branch under the direction of the President.

I said you sounded deranged earlier. I think you are worse than that now. You just got your ass handed to you in epic fashion!

Again, "we know" is a fallacy. The Constitution says that Congress can declare war. Yet the President moves troops around at will and often invades nations. Is this spelled out? Nope. Subsequent acts determine the actual rules.

 

[middleview]

What statute? You care to cite it?

It also turns out that the VP can declassify any document that he originally classified.

Executive Order 13526- Classified National Security Information

obamawhitehouse.archives.gov

 

[middleview]

What statute? You care to cite it?

50 U.S.C. §3355, Public Interest Declassification Act

And then there is this document discussing declassification by the president.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12183

 

[middleview]

"The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America."

The executive branch, with full authority and power of the President at its head, has complete control of classified material. All others in the executive branch work at the President's pleasure. He can hire them, fire them, reassign them. Do whatever he wants with them at any time for any reason. These individuals only classify/declassify and work with classified materials when the President has delegated that authority to them.

I'm not sure who or what you believe executive branch power resides in but you sound deranged.

1. Nothing you've posted gives the president authority to take government documents with him when he leaves office.
2. Documents that have been declassified are noted, on the document, that it has been declassified, the date of reclassification and the individual who declassified it.

What you suggest is a haphazard process that fails to notify other agencies, even the original classification authority. It would not update the federal database and would fail to link related classified documents to the declassification.

 

[JohnJohnson]

Again, "we know" is a fallacy.

Like we know water is wet. We know the sky is blue. And we know you have a low IQ.

All power in the executive branch flows from the President. The President's authority to classify/declassify in the executive branch is unchallenged as such. All others in the executive branch are his underlings. They work at his direction.

 

[JohnJohnson]

Documents that have been declassified are noted, on the document, that it has been declassified, the date of reclassification and the individual who declassified it.

Typically yes. This, however, is not a requirement when it comes to the President who has ultimate authority on classification.

 

[condorkristy]

Like we know water is wet. We know the sky is blue. And we know you have a low IQ.

All power in the executive branch flows from the President. The President's authority to classify/declassify in the executive branch is unchallenged as such. All others in the executive branch are his underlings. They work at his direction.

Seems to be a lot of challenges to Trump's authority to declassify things by just merely thinking about them. Strange.

 

[middleview]

Typically yes. This, however, is not a requirement when it comes to the President who has ultimate authority on classification.

So how did the FBI get a court order to seize those documents?

He could have declassified those docs.

Look...nobody is saying he couldn't. He didn't. He took documents that didn't belong to him.

 

[Dawg]

Joey so confused now

Former White House chief of staff warns Americans of Dems' agenda: 'At some point, people have to wake up' (msn.com)

Is the Delaware homes offical or personal