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Ukraine vis a vis Russia

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Yes, blowing up $11B pipelines and the revenue they generate makes perfect sense to globalist-communists like yourself but not the the rest of us free thinking peeps.
The pipeline Nord 2 was not certified by the Germans for operation. Biden's sanctions effectively stopped it.

Again...got any evidence?
 

God of War

Governor

Jack4freedom

Governor
Point flew right over the top of your head again I see. No worries. Maybe next time.
Your “points” fly over anyone’s head…except QANON imbeciles who believe as you do that the world is a very scary place with hobgoblins and boogeymen around every corner and behind every bush……
 

Jack4freedom

Governor
Yeah, rest easy everybody the greatest detective has got this one. I apparently sabotaged the Nord Stream pipes. ha ha

How did you catch me Jackie boy? With those legendary powers of deduction you inherited, Jackie Holmes?
All I asked was for you to prove YOU didn’t do it. After all you demanded that someone else prove Biden didn’t do it.
 

EatTheRich

President
How is this story different than the simplified story in the OP? How does it materially countermand the conclusion that we aren't interested in Slavic vendetta wars?
It is less one-sided in a multiplicity of ways. It focuses on class as the main motivator of history, as opposed to the mystical-bourgeois focus on ethnicity. It treats the Ukrainian national struggle on its own terms as part of an international struggle against triumphal national chauvinism, rather than reducing it to an episode in a Manichaean vendetta story. It notes the effects on the treatment of Ukrainians of the revolutionary advance under Lenin, and the subsequent revolutionary retreat personified by Stalin, instead of avoiding discussing the effect of the mode of production and the government policy have other than a big broad-brush characterization of socialism drawn mostly from Solzhenitsyn-style caricatures.
 

God of War

Governor
It is less one-sided in a multiplicity of ways. It focuses on class as the main motivator of history, as opposed to the mystical-bourgeois focus on ethnicity. It treats the Ukrainian national struggle on its own terms as part of an international struggle against triumphal national chauvinism, rather than reducing it to an episode in a Manichaean vendetta story. It notes the effects on the treatment of Ukrainians of the revolutionary advance under Lenin, and the subsequent revolutionary retreat personified by Stalin, instead of avoiding discussing the effect of the mode of production and the government policy have other than a big broad-brush characterization of socialism drawn mostly from Solzhenitsyn-style caricatures.
Sorry. The Azov battallion comes out of history for a reason. It is anti-semitic for a reason. And in this case it isn't class.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
It is less one-sided in a multiplicity of ways. It focuses on class as the main motivator of history, as opposed to the mystical-bourgeois focus on ethnicity. It treats the Ukrainian national struggle on its own terms as part of an international struggle against triumphal national chauvinism, rather than reducing it to an episode in a Manichaean vendetta story. It notes the effects on the treatment of Ukrainians of the revolutionary advance under Lenin, and the subsequent revolutionary retreat personified by Stalin, instead of avoiding discussing the effect of the mode of production and the government policy have other than a big broad-brush characterization of socialism drawn mostly from Solzhenitsyn-style caricatures.
What you meant to say...I think....is..the systematic and endless oppression of ukrainians throughout...
 

EatTheRich

President
Sorry. The Azov battallion comes out of history for a reason. It is anti-semitic for a reason. And in this case it isn't class.
Of course it is. Antisemitism is used as a tool to consolidate a right-wing movement that the ruling class can use to terrorize the exploited classes into submission.
 

EatTheRich

President
What you meant to say...I think....is..the systematic and endless oppression of ukrainians throughout...
On the contrary, the detailed narrative demonstrates that Ukrainians gained national rights including self-determination under Lenin, Rakovsky, etc.
 
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