Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Yes, the left is incapable of being "authoritarian." Can you possibly get any more "hackish?"As if anyone thinks the Nazis were liberals...
Yes, the left is incapable of being "authoritarian." Can you possibly get any more "hackish?"As if anyone thinks the Nazis were liberals...
Fascism isn't any more "right" than, well, communism. It is the melding of business and government, as you well know. That is government control of the means of production. Nothing "right wing" about that.Bizarre use of a label to paint everyone who is left of you as if they are actually to your right, politically...but then accuracy was never your strength.
Except that communism does not allow private ownership of property...while fascism does...Fascism isn't any more "right" than, well, communism. It is the melding of business and government, as you well know. That is government control of the means of production. Nothing "right wing" about that.
Fascism embodied corporatism, in which political representation was based on trade and industry rather than on geography. In this, fascism revealed its roots in syndicalism, a form of socialism originating on the left. The government cartelized firms of the same industry, with representatives of labor and management serving on myriad local, regional, and national boards—subject always to the final authority of the dictator’s economic plan. Corporatism was intended to avert unsettling divisions within the nation, such as lockouts and union strikes. The price of such forced “harmony” was the loss of the ability to bargain and move about freely.
To maintain high employment and minimize popular discontent, fascist governments also undertook massive public-works projects financed by steep taxes, borrowing, and fiat money creation. While many of these projects were domestic—roads, buildings, stadiums—the largest project of all was militarism, with huge armies and arms production...
It is a matter of controversy whether President Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal was directly influenced by fascist economic policies. Mussolini praised the New Deal as “boldly . . . interventionist in the field of economics,” and Roosevelt complimented Mussolini for his “honest purpose of restoring Italy” and acknowledged that he kept “in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.” Also, Hugh Johnson, head of the National Recovery Administration, was known to carry a copy of Raffaello Viglione’s pro-Mussolini book, The Corporate State, with him, presented a copy to Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, and, on retirement, paid tribute to the Italian dictator.
Fascism - Econlib
As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer. The word derives from fasces, the Roman symbol of collectivism and power: a tied bundle of rods with a protruding ax. In its day (the 1920s and 1930s), fascism was seen as the happy medium between boom-and-bust-prone liberal...www.econlib.org
It is no coincidence that both Mussolini and Hitler were former communists. Yet the leftist historians have deemed them "right wingers" when, in fact, nothing could be further from the truth.
They were. SAME ideology as liberals today. SAME violent opposition to different points of view. SAME push for government control of the means of production (NATIONAL SOCIALISM) SAME gun grabbing rules.As if anyone thinks the Nazis were liberals...
You could go on with LIES.Except that communism does not allow private ownership of property...while fascism does...
Policies matter and fascists favor religion...outlawed abortion...guaranteed profits..
I could go on, but why. Your mind is closed to reality
This is what happens when vote counting isn't monitored. There is NO WAY that racist bag of bat guano was legally elected by legally registered voters.It is Biden's gift to us. I hope you enjoy it.
1. Violent opposition to different points of view? You mean like the Proud Boys attacking people? January 6 was not violent?They were. SAME ideology as liberals today. SAME violent opposition to different points of view. SAME push for government control of the means of production (NATIONAL SOCIALISM) SAME gun grabbing rules.
Concentration camps, SAME as abortion.
Nazis and liberals are THE SAME.
Your ignorance is difficult to endure....You could go on with LIES.
Fascism means GOVERNMENT CONTROL of the means of production. That's the Democrat party. Nazism means concentration camps, and killing of innocents, which is precisely what abortion mills are. SAME THING.
Facism and Nazism (which are the same thing) mean opposing points of view are punished, often with imprisonment. THAT'S the mentality of the left here.
And let's not forget that while NAZISM killed 6 million Jews, Soviet Communism killed 100 MILLION RUSSIANS.
Communists and Nazis are the same, when it comes to economics, ideology and tactics.
And they are the polar OPPOSITES of America.
By the way....Hitler was always an anti-communist. In 1919 he was assigned to be an undercover agent spying on the communists. In the summer of 1919 he was an instructor in an anti Bolshevik "commando".Fascism isn't any more "right" than, well, communism. It is the melding of business and government, as you well know. That is government control of the means of production. Nothing "right wing" about that.
Fascism embodied corporatism, in which political representation was based on trade and industry rather than on geography. In this, fascism revealed its roots in syndicalism, a form of socialism originating on the left. The government cartelized firms of the same industry, with representatives of labor and management serving on myriad local, regional, and national boards—subject always to the final authority of the dictator’s economic plan. Corporatism was intended to avert unsettling divisions within the nation, such as lockouts and union strikes. The price of such forced “harmony” was the loss of the ability to bargain and move about freely.
To maintain high employment and minimize popular discontent, fascist governments also undertook massive public-works projects financed by steep taxes, borrowing, and fiat money creation. While many of these projects were domestic—roads, buildings, stadiums—the largest project of all was militarism, with huge armies and arms production...
It is a matter of controversy whether President Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal was directly influenced by fascist economic policies. Mussolini praised the New Deal as “boldly . . . interventionist in the field of economics,” and Roosevelt complimented Mussolini for his “honest purpose of restoring Italy” and acknowledged that he kept “in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.” Also, Hugh Johnson, head of the National Recovery Administration, was known to carry a copy of Raffaello Viglione’s pro-Mussolini book, The Corporate State, with him, presented a copy to Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, and, on retirement, paid tribute to the Italian dictator.
Fascism - Econlib
As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer. The word derives from fasces, the Roman symbol of collectivism and power: a tied bundle of rods with a protruding ax. In its day (the 1920s and 1930s), fascism was seen as the happy medium between boom-and-bust-prone liberal...www.econlib.org
It is no coincidence that both Mussolini and Hitler were former communists. Yet the leftist historians have deemed them "right wingers" when, in fact, nothing could be further from the truth.
Even though his ideology was a carbon copy of communism.By the way....Hitler was always an anti-communist. In 1919 he was assigned to be an undercover agent spying on the communists. In the summer of 1919 he was an instructor in an anti Bolshevik "commando".
Political views of Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
You argue that the policies of the Nazi party are not relevant to the conversation...that is because those policies prove you don't know WTF you are talking about. What laws have been passed that prohibit anyone from working in the firearms industry? The Nazis were anti-semites at their core. Most Jews in the US are democrats.Your ignorance is difficult to endure....
You just can't stand losing an argument. Most children have problems enduring not getting their way.
The Nazis rounded up Jews, homosexuals, gypsies and opponents and sent them to the camps. Who is rounding up pregnant women to force them to have abortions?
The unborn BABIES are the new Jews, and they are being rounded up and executed in the new concentration camps, called ABORTION CLINICS. Difference is the use of a currette, rather than Zyklon B.
The Nazis did not seize the means of production. Industrialists like Krupp donated money to the Nazis and made a ton of money in the war. The only property the Nazis seized was that owned by Jews or opponents.
Fascism/Nazism/LIberalism doesn't seize the means of production. They merely CONTROL IT.
You think Stalin killed 100 million Russians? Where do you get your info? Could be as many as 20 million, which is bad enough....but why do you tend to discredit your own information by inventing your own facts?
https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughCommieSpam/comments/82iaue
Yes, Hitler murdered 6 million in the camps, but over 50 million died in WWII...and that was entirely because of Germany and Japan.
You are comparing war (which is totally voluntary on the part of the individual) with MURDER? Seriously?
Why you brought that into the conversation is beyond me. Look at policies.
I didn't bring this up. You people did. You started the lying. I just decided to add some inconvenient FACTS, and facts don't care about your feelings.
The Nazis favored Religions...unless you were a Jew.
I didn't mention religion. Again, you try to change the subject.
The Nazis were pro-military.
No one said they weren't. Again, that's not part of this discussion. Once again you try to change the subject.
They were pro-private property. The Stock market was open right up to the end of the war.
Nope. They nationalized major industries for the war effort. They confiscated private property.
Nazi Economic Policy | David Gordon
The National Socialists had radical reforms in mind. The "unalterable" 25-point 1920 program of the party proposed, among other things, "that all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished"; "the nationalization of all trusts"; "profit-sharing in large...mises.org
They were anti-labor union.
Irrelevant to this discussion. Right To Work states are also anti-labor union, and we have the best economies in the country.
Owning guns under the Nazis was far easier than under Weimar.
In 1938, Hitler signed a new Gun Control Act. Now that many “enemies of the state” had been removed from society, some restrictions could be slightly liberalized, especially for Nazi Party members. But Jews were prohibited from working in the firearms industry, and .22 caliber hollow-point ammunition was banned.How the Nazis Used Gun Control | National Review
The perennial gun-control debate in America did not begin here. The same arguments for and against were made in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration…www.nationalreview.com
Almost a carbon copy of today's Democrat Party gun grabbing policies.
They were anti-gay.
Irrelevant to this discussion. But your side of the aisle supports radical Muslims, who EXECUTE homos.
They were against racial integration.
Just like your segregationist Democrat party. Wallace, Hollings, Gore, Maddox, Obama, Clinton.
You do not know what you're talking about.
You have LOST this argument.
I've shown your crap attempting to white wash the right wing of political thought by pretending the extreme right is really the extreme left, to be pure crap.Even though his ideology was a carbon copy of communism.
National Socialism is still socialism.
The tactics are the same: communist, nazi, woke liberal.
All the SAME.
Here is a little reading on Nazi policy related to abortion and contraception. Looks a lot like what republicans want to do.Even though his ideology was a carbon copy of communism.
National Socialism is still socialism.
The tactics are the same: communist, nazi, woke liberal.
All the SAME.
Nobody offered support for the violent rioters in 2020...meanwhile here you are excusing the riot of Jan 6 as if it were a family picnic.1. Violent opposition to different points of view? You mean like the Proud Boys attacking people? January 6 was not violent?
Not as violent as this.
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And your side of the aisle supported this. Just ask MaxiPad Waters.
Here's the numbers.
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2. The Nazis did not control the means of production until the war and then, much like other countries, there were war time controls related to military requirements. The only property confiscated by the Nazis was that owned by Jews or anyone who spoke out against the government. Otherwise people were guaranteed profits.
BMW Owners Finally Admit Nazi Past - The Truth About Cars
The Quandt family, major shareholder of BMW, and one of the richest in Germany, is finally and belatedly confessing to its Nazi-past. Patriarch Günther Quandt was an early member of the Nazi party, he joined 1933, after Hitler’s election. During the Third Reich, Quandt company empire was kept...www.thetruthaboutcars.com
3. The Nazis outlawed abortion, unless you were a Jew.
Concentration camps and abortion clinics are the same. MILLIONS of innocents murdered and butchered.
4. The Nazis were pro-abortion.
Just like Nazis today.
5. The Nazis were pro-military.
Everybody agrees with that.
6. The Nazis made private gun ownership easier, as long as you weren't a Jew.
When the Nazis Came for the Guns
Even at age 90, Helga Lustig vividly remembers when she first heard the news that her father had been taken away by the Nazis. It was 1938, and she was safely ensconced in a boarding school in Holland just across the border from Germany. &nbs...www.americanthinker.com
The Nazis had in their possession a national registry of gun-owners. When they came to power in 1933, they knew exactly who had what kind of gun and how many. And they didn't even have to compile the registry themselves. A few years earlier, the Interior Minister of the German Weimar government had started the gun ownership registry as a way of keeping tabs on extremist groups in Germany, such as the communists...and the Nazis. The national registry was thorough, precise, and extensive.
A carbon copy of the left's push for gun registration today.
Shortly afterward, with the Nazis finally coming to power, he and his staff either neglected to destroy the list or ran out of time. So in one of their first acts after Hitler was elected to govern Germany – yes, he really was elected by the German people – the Nazis quickly went about confiscating the guns through the German gun-owner registry.
Yes, the Jews were targeted. Today, the Democrats are doing the same thing, except today they are targeting law abiding citizens, and they are not going after the CRIMINALS who commit the gun crimes.
You've lost this argument.
Fascism is premised on private ownership, and is aggressively right-wing and anti-communist. Feel free to provide any evidence for your claim that Hitler was ever a communist.Fascism isn't any more "right" than, well, communism. It is the melding of business and government, as you well know. That is government control of the means of production. Nothing "right wing" about that.
Fascism embodied corporatism, in which political representation was based on trade and industry rather than on geography. In this, fascism revealed its roots in syndicalism, a form of socialism originating on the left. The government cartelized firms of the same industry, with representatives of labor and management serving on myriad local, regional, and national boards—subject always to the final authority of the dictator’s economic plan. Corporatism was intended to avert unsettling divisions within the nation, such as lockouts and union strikes. The price of such forced “harmony” was the loss of the ability to bargain and move about freely.
To maintain high employment and minimize popular discontent, fascist governments also undertook massive public-works projects financed by steep taxes, borrowing, and fiat money creation. While many of these projects were domestic—roads, buildings, stadiums—the largest project of all was militarism, with huge armies and arms production...
It is a matter of controversy whether President Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal was directly influenced by fascist economic policies. Mussolini praised the New Deal as “boldly . . . interventionist in the field of economics,” and Roosevelt complimented Mussolini for his “honest purpose of restoring Italy” and acknowledged that he kept “in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.” Also, Hugh Johnson, head of the National Recovery Administration, was known to carry a copy of Raffaello Viglione’s pro-Mussolini book, The Corporate State, with him, presented a copy to Labor Secretary Frances Perkins, and, on retirement, paid tribute to the Italian dictator.
Fascism - Econlib
As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer. The word derives from fasces, the Roman symbol of collectivism and power: a tied bundle of rods with a protruding ax. In its day (the 1920s and 1930s), fascism was seen as the happy medium between boom-and-bust-prone liberal...www.econlib.org
It is no coincidence that both Mussolini and Hitler were former communists. Yet the leftist historians have deemed them "right wingers" when, in fact, nothing could be further from the truth.
A Reddit post is not evidence for your ridiculous claim. And war is not “totally voluntary” … WTF? If you really want to minimize German atrocities for whatever sick reason, you would do better to point out that the other imperialist powers also had some responsibility for the war.Your ignorance is difficult to endure....
You just can't stand losing an argument. Most children have problems enduring not getting their way.
The Nazis rounded up Jews, homosexuals, gypsies and opponents and sent them to the camps. Who is rounding up pregnant women to force them to have abortions?
The unborn BABIES are the new Jews, and they are being rounded up and executed in the new concentration camps, called ABORTION CLINICS. Difference is the use of a currette, rather than Zyklon B.
The Nazis did not seize the means of production. Industrialists like Krupp donated money to the Nazis and made a ton of money in the war. The only property the Nazis seized was that owned by Jews or opponents.
Fascism/Nazism/LIberalism doesn't seize the means of production. They merely CONTROL IT.
You think Stalin killed 100 million Russians? Where do you get your info? Could be as many as 20 million, which is bad enough....but why do you tend to discredit your own information by inventing your own facts?
https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughCommieSpam/comments/82iaue
Yes, Hitler murdered 6 million in the camps, but over 50 million died in WWII...and that was entirely because of Germany and Japan.
You are comparing war (which is totally voluntary on the part of the individual) with MURDER? Seriously?
Why you brought that into the conversation is beyond me. Look at policies.
I didn't bring this up. You people did. You started the lying. I just decided to add some inconvenient FACTS, and facts don't care about your feelings.
The Nazis favored Religions...unless you were a Jew.
I didn't mention religion. Again, you try to change the subject.
The Nazis were pro-military.
No one said they weren't. Again, that's not part of this discussion. Once again you try to change the subject.
They were pro-private property. The Stock market was open right up to the end of the war.
Nope. They nationalized major industries for the war effort. They confiscated private property.
Nazi Economic Policy | David Gordon
The National Socialists had radical reforms in mind. The "unalterable" 25-point 1920 program of the party proposed, among other things, "that all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished"; "the nationalization of all trusts"; "profit-sharing in large...mises.org
They were anti-labor union.
Irrelevant to this discussion. Right To Work states are also anti-labor union, and we have the best economies in the country.
Owning guns under the Nazis was far easier than under Weimar.
In 1938, Hitler signed a new Gun Control Act. Now that many “enemies of the state” had been removed from society, some restrictions could be slightly liberalized, especially for Nazi Party members. But Jews were prohibited from working in the firearms industry, and .22 caliber hollow-point ammunition was banned.How the Nazis Used Gun Control | National Review
The perennial gun-control debate in America did not begin here. The same arguments for and against were made in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration…www.nationalreview.com
Almost a carbon copy of today's Democrat Party gun grabbing policies.
They were anti-gay.
Irrelevant to this discussion. But your side of the aisle supports radical Muslims, who EXECUTE homos.
They were against racial integration.
Just like your segregationist Democrat party. Wallace, Hollings, Gore, Maddox, Obama, Clinton.
You do not know what you're talking about.
You have LOST this argument.
The Nazis were so anti-abortion rights, they set up a cabinet-level office solely for suppressing abortion and homosexuality. That you would compare their systematic slaughter of oppressed races with the voluntary termination of pregnancy is disgusting and the equivalent of spitting in the face of every death camp victim and survivor.1. Violent opposition to different points of view? You mean like the Proud Boys attacking people? January 6 was not violent?
Not as violent as this.
View attachment 71152
And your side of the aisle supported this. Just ask MaxiPad Waters.
Here's the numbers.
View attachment 71153
2. The Nazis did not control the means of production until the war and then, much like other countries, there were war time controls related to military requirements. The only property confiscated by the Nazis was that owned by Jews or anyone who spoke out against the government. Otherwise people were guaranteed profits.
BMW Owners Finally Admit Nazi Past - The Truth About Cars
The Quandt family, major shareholder of BMW, and one of the richest in Germany, is finally and belatedly confessing to its Nazi-past. Patriarch Günther Quandt was an early member of the Nazi party, he joined 1933, after Hitler’s election. During the Third Reich, Quandt company empire was kept...www.thetruthaboutcars.com
3. The Nazis outlawed abortion, unless you were a Jew.
Concentration camps and abortion clinics are the same. MILLIONS of innocents murdered and butchered.
4. The Nazis were pro-abortion.
Just like Nazis today.
5. The Nazis were pro-military.
Everybody agrees with that.
6. The Nazis made private gun ownership easier, as long as you weren't a Jew.
When the Nazis Came for the Guns
Even at age 90, Helga Lustig vividly remembers when she first heard the news that her father had been taken away by the Nazis. It was 1938, and she was safely ensconced in a boarding school in Holland just across the border from Germany. &nbs...www.americanthinker.com
The Nazis had in their possession a national registry of gun-owners. When they came to power in 1933, they knew exactly who had what kind of gun and how many. And they didn't even have to compile the registry themselves. A few years earlier, the Interior Minister of the German Weimar government had started the gun ownership registry as a way of keeping tabs on extremist groups in Germany, such as the communists...and the Nazis. The national registry was thorough, precise, and extensive.
A carbon copy of the left's push for gun registration today.
Shortly afterward, with the Nazis finally coming to power, he and his staff either neglected to destroy the list or ran out of time. So in one of their first acts after Hitler was elected to govern Germany – yes, he really was elected by the German people – the Nazis quickly went about confiscating the guns through the German gun-owner registry.
Yes, the Jews were targeted. Today, the Democrats are doing the same thing, except today they are targeting law abiding citizens, and they are not going after the CRIMINALS who commit the gun crimes.
You've lost this argument.
"Ownership" is in the eye of the beholder. What is the difference between "private ownership" of enterprises run for the benefit of a government agenda and that which is owned by the State and run by apparatchiks? Seriously, "private ownership" is "aggressively right wing?" That's not the majority view.Fascism is premised on private ownership, and is aggressively right-wing and anti-communist. Feel free to provide any evidence for your claim that Hitler was ever a communist.