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Well, so much for that "just helping Ukraine defend itself" narrative...

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
In a huge development and absolute smoking gun revelation, the government of Germany has confirmed the authenticity of a leaked audio recording file published by Russia's state-backed RT. The leak was first published by RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan, who described that she received it from Russian security officials.

It first appeared under the headline "Alleged audio of German officers discussing Crimean Bridge attack leaked" - as it featured top ranking Germany military officials in a private discussion of "a potential German operation to bomb the Crimean Bridge in Russia," as it was initially described by RT. Russian media is now openly admitting that the call was in fact intercepted by Russia. Moscow is now saying this shows "direct" German involvement in the war.

Additionally the potential supply of Taurus long-range air-to-surface missile to Kiev is a major focus of the conversation. The Franco-British cruise missile Storm Shadow also receives mention.

Importantly, it seems none other than Lieutenant General Ingo Gerhartz the commander of the national air force, is among the four voices heard in the audio among top generals within the Bundeswehr, Germany’s armed forces.

A particularly damning section of the audio for which Moscow is currently demanding answers from German leaders...

They are heard openly discussing "interesting targets" including the "bridge in the east" and nearby "ammunition depots".



These idiot neocon warmongers are pushing us into a (nuclear) WWIII with their meddling in Ukraine (and Taiwan). Is this really what the American people want? Has anyone bothered to ask them?
 
In a huge development and absolute smoking gun revelation, the government of Germany has confirmed the authenticity of a leaked audio recording file published by Russia's state-backed RT. The leak was first published by RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan, who described that she received it from Russian security officials.

It first appeared under the headline "Alleged audio of German officers discussing Crimean Bridge attack leaked" - as it featured top ranking Germany military officials in a private discussion of "a potential German operation to bomb the Crimean Bridge in Russia," as it was initially described by RT. Russian media is now openly admitting that the call was in fact intercepted by Russia. Moscow is now saying this shows "direct" German involvement in the war.

Additionally the potential supply of Taurus long-range air-to-surface missile to Kiev is a major focus of the conversation. The Franco-British cruise missile Storm Shadow also receives mention.

Importantly, it seems none other than Lieutenant General Ingo Gerhartz the commander of the national air force, is among the four voices heard in the audio among top generals within the Bundeswehr, Germany’s armed forces.

A particularly damning section of the audio for which Moscow is currently demanding answers from German leaders...

They are heard openly discussing "interesting targets" including the "bridge in the east" and nearby "ammunition depots".



These idiot neocon warmongers are pushing us into a (nuclear) WWIII with their meddling in Ukraine (and Taiwan). Is this really what the American people want? Has anyone bothered to ask them?
They lost the American people on this awhile ago as our own Southern Border no longer exists. Billions upon billions of dollars spent and half of it is not accounted for, for a war the Ukrainians were never winning or have any chance of winning minus the US military

What comes next is "they don't have the man power" and then its off to the races.

The American people want nothing to do with this, the people of Eastern Europe want nothing to do with this.

Yet here we are.


When was the last time we won a war? These same people are still in charge.

Enjoy the collapse, it's coming soon.
 
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middleview

President
Supporting Member
They lost the American people on this awhile ago as our own Southern Border no longer exists. Billions upon billions of dollars spent and half of it is not accounted for, for a war the Ukrainians were never winning or have any chance of winning minus the US military

What comes next is "they don't have the man power" and then its off to the races.

The American people want nothing to do with this, the people of Eastern Europe want nothing to do with this.

Yet here we are.


When was the last time we won a war? These same people are still in charge.

Enjoy the collapse, it's coming soon.
Mike Benz, former Trump state department appointee....

But before his stints in government and as a pundit, Benz appears to have been a pseudonymous alt-right content creator who courted and interacted with white nationalists and posted videos espousing racist conspiracy theories, according to recordings, livestreams and blog posts reviewed by NBC News.

Michael Benz, a conservative crusader against online censorship, appears to have a secret history as an alt-right persona (nbcnews.com)


He's your expert on the CIA?
 
Mike Benz, former Trump state department appointee....

But before his stints in government and as a pundit, Benz appears to have been a pseudonymous alt-right content creator who courted and interacted with white nationalists and posted videos espousing racist conspiracy theories, according to recordings, livestreams and blog posts reviewed by NBC News.

Michael Benz, a conservative crusader against online censorship, appears to have a secret history as an alt-right persona (nbcnews.com)


He's your expert on the CIA?
You need a new play book. He is saying things you don't like, he must be destroyed. So the MSM tosses buzz words into the story "White Nationalist".....

You guys are pathetic, I suppose next for Mike Benz is "Russian Disinformation"... I mean they have never tried that before.

Set a clock to the stupidity of the Left's talking points. Don't worry, I doubt Benz will prevent the world war you are all begging for.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
You need a new play book. He is saying things you don't like, he must be destroyed. So the MSM tosses buzz words into the story "White Nationalist".....

You guys are pathetic, I suppose next for Mike Benz is "Russian Disinformation"... I mean they have never tried that before.

Set a clock to the stupidity of the Left's talking points. Don't worry, I doubt Benz will prevent the world war you are all begging for.
What makes his opinion credible? Because you agree?
 
In a huge development and absolute smoking gun revelation, the government of Germany has confirmed the authenticity of a leaked audio recording file published by Russia's state-backed RT. The leak was first published by RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan, who described that she received it from Russian security officials.

It first appeared under the headline "Alleged audio of German officers discussing Crimean Bridge attack leaked" - as it featured top ranking Germany military officials in a private discussion of "a potential German operation to bomb the Crimean Bridge in Russia," as it was initially described by RT. Russian media is now openly admitting that the call was in fact intercepted by Russia. Moscow is now saying this shows "direct" German involvement in the war.

Additionally the potential supply of Taurus long-range air-to-surface missile to Kiev is a major focus of the conversation. The Franco-British cruise missile Storm Shadow also receives mention.

Importantly, it seems none other than Lieutenant General Ingo Gerhartz the commander of the national air force, is among the four voices heard in the audio among top generals within the Bundeswehr, Germany’s armed forces.

A particularly damning section of the audio for which Moscow is currently demanding answers from German leaders...

They are heard openly discussing "interesting targets" including the "bridge in the east" and nearby "ammunition depots".



These idiot neocon warmongers are pushing us into a (nuclear) WWIII with their meddling in Ukraine (and Taiwan). Is this really what the American people want? Has anyone bothered to ask them?
Did you know the war in Ukraine is an "...intellectual event?"

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-ukraine-war-runs-on-lies/

"That very same week, appearing on CNN, national security adviser Jake Sullivan likewise declared that, 'Russia has already lost this war.'

"The media, as usual, was only too eager to play along. Thus, the New York Times columnist David Brooks told his readers, 'The war in Ukraine is not only a military event; it’s an intellectual event. The Ukrainians are winning not only because of the superiority of their troops. They are winning because they are fighting for a superior idea.'"
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
They lost the American people on this awhile ago as our own Southern Border no longer exists. Billions upon billions of dollars spent and half of it is not accounted for, for a war the Ukrainians were never winning or have any chance of winning minus the US military

What comes next is "they don't have the man power" and then its off to the races.

The American people want nothing to do with this, the people of Eastern Europe want nothing to do with this.

Yet here we are.


When was the last time we won a war? These same people are still in charge.

Enjoy the collapse, it's coming soon.
What would this forum be without the robust presence of discerning adults like Middleview assigning “laughing” emojis to the posts of non-Democrats all day every day…
 

EatTheRich

President
You need a new play book. He is saying things you don't like, he must be destroyed. So the MSM tosses buzz words into the story "White Nationalist".....

You guys are pathetic, I suppose next for Mike Benz is "Russian Disinformation"... I mean they have never tried that before.

Set a clock to the stupidity of the Left's talking points. Don't worry, I doubt Benz will prevent the world war you are all begging for.
“Hitler actually had some decent points.”-Mike Benz
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
In a huge development and absolute smoking gun revelation, the government of Germany has confirmed the authenticity of a leaked audio recording file published by Russia's state-backed RT. The leak was first published by RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan, who described that she received it from Russian security officials.

It first appeared under the headline "Alleged audio of German officers discussing Crimean Bridge attack leaked" - as it featured top ranking Germany military officials in a private discussion of "a potential German operation to bomb the Crimean Bridge in Russia," as it was initially described by RT. Russian media is now openly admitting that the call was in fact intercepted by Russia. Moscow is now saying this shows "direct" German involvement in the war.

Additionally the potential supply of Taurus long-range air-to-surface missile to Kiev is a major focus of the conversation. The Franco-British cruise missile Storm Shadow also receives mention.

Importantly, it seems none other than Lieutenant General Ingo Gerhartz the commander of the national air force, is among the four voices heard in the audio among top generals within the Bundeswehr, Germany’s armed forces.

A particularly damning section of the audio for which Moscow is currently demanding answers from German leaders...

They are heard openly discussing "interesting targets" including the "bridge in the east" and nearby "ammunition depots".



These idiot neocon warmongers are pushing us into a (nuclear) WWIII with their meddling in Ukraine (and Taiwan). Is this really what the American people want? Has anyone bothered to ask them?
Lot' s of white hate Bigots in PJ
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Mike Benz, former Trump state department appointee....

But before his stints in government and as a pundit, Benz appears to have been a pseudonymous alt-right content creator who courted and interacted with white nationalists and posted videos espousing racist conspiracy theories, according to recordings, livestreams and blog posts reviewed by NBC News.

Michael Benz, a conservative crusader against online censorship, appears to have a secret history as an alt-right persona (nbcnews.com)


He's your expert on the CIA?
A decadelong secret partnership between the CIA and Ukraine has been critical for lethal operations against Russia: NYT (msn.com)

Nothing to see here, move along...
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
"The largest CIA operation in history"? From your link....

Some of the intelligence included when exactly Russian forces planned to attack six Ukrainian cities and assassination plans against top Ukrainian officials, including President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, according to the report.

"Are they pulling triggers? No," a senior US official told The Times of the CIA's role in Ukraine. "Are they helping with targeting? Absolutely."
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
What would this forum be without the robust presence of discerning adults like Middleview assigning “laughing” emojis to the posts of non-Democrats all day every day…
or ignorant bobblehead posters like @Dawg and @Raoul_Luke to post emojis agreeing with you without a moments thought.
 
Your link:

"According to the Times report, Ukraine's Security Service head Valentyn Nalyvaichenko, first sought the assistance of the CIA and Britain's MI6 to rebuild the country's intelligence agency on February 24, 2014 — exactly eight years before Russia invaded Ukraine..."

"'That's how it all started,' Nalyvaichenko told The Times.

"After realizing that Ukraine's intelligence agency could be an asset to the US, the CIA agreed to support Ukraine, which initially came in the form of communications supply and training, the Times report said.

"But the spy agency also had misgivings about the partnership, partly because it did not want to cross a boundary that would provoke Russia."

Eight years from now?
Will we see SVR machinations in Mexico like what the Russians are seeing today in Ukraine?
 

Jack4freedom

Governor
In a huge development and absolute smoking gun revelation, the government of Germany has confirmed the authenticity of a leaked audio recording file published by Russia's state-backed RT. The leak was first published by RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan, who described that she received it from Russian security officials.

It first appeared under the headline "Alleged audio of German officers discussing Crimean Bridge attack leaked" - as it featured top ranking Germany military officials in a private discussion of "a potential German operation to bomb the Crimean Bridge in Russia," as it was initially described by RT. Russian media is now openly admitting that the call was in fact intercepted by Russia. Moscow is now saying this shows "direct" German involvement in the war.

Additionally the potential supply of Taurus long-range air-to-surface missile to Kiev is a major focus of the conversation. The Franco-British cruise missile Storm Shadow also receives mention.

Importantly, it seems none other than Lieutenant General Ingo Gerhartz the commander of the national air force, is among the four voices heard in the audio among top generals within the Bundeswehr, Germany’s armed forces.

A particularly damning section of the audio for which Moscow is currently demanding answers from German leaders...

They are heard openly discussing "interesting targets" including the "bridge in the east" and nearby "ammunition depots".



These idiot neocon warmongers are pushing us into a (nuclear) WWIII with their meddling in Ukraine (and Taiwan). Is this really what the American people want? Has anyone bothered to ask them?
The US is lousy with Russian spies, many of whom have coopted NRA officials, several congress creatures and have been grooming Trump since the 1970s. So now you call Ukraine a huge evil CIA operation.

Well, this deal has been going on since 1946 Ralphie. After the fall of the Berlin Wall and the breakup of the USSR and the creation of dozens of new free Republics in their region, the Russians could have and should have created a state that would cooperate and trade with their neighbors to the benefit of all concerned instead of what it has become. They were headed in that direction until they elected scummy KGB agent Putin who decided to create an international Kleptocracy the likes of which the world has never seen.

Years back I read a book called Red Notice by Bill Browder. Browder was a guy who once worked closely with Putin in the early days post USSR. At that time Russia was trying to transition from a failed, broke Communist state into a modern day capitalist republic and there were plenty of greedy capitalists like Browder there raking in profits for themselves and trying to teach Putin how those successful countries operate.

At one point, Browder who had just made a ton of money operating in Russia paid $400 million in taxes to the Russian Federation and noticed that the money he had paid never got to where it was sent. He, being a close associate of Putin reported that missing money to his then friend Putin in an attempt to prosecute the thief. Putin first thanked Browder and vowed to arrest that thief and restore order over there regarding mass corruption. All of a sudden, Browder became persona non grata in Russia and a target of Putin’s international murder squad and still is to this day.

That’s when Russia transitioned from a budding Wild West style free Republic with tons of land and natural resources into a worldwide criminal kleptocracy. Putin realized that he could be the richest person on earth if he went along with the thieving murderers and that if he stood up to them he would most likely become another guy who fell out of a window, was poisoned or whose plane fell out of the sky.

From that point on Putin and his inner circle have acted not as a leader working on behalf of his people but rather as the head of a huge international mafia that makes the old Italian “La Cosa Nostra“ look like a gang of street punks by comparison. They are deeply entrenched here in the US and at this time they have seized control of one of the two political parties in the US.

That’s what we as Americans and the rest of the world are dealing with here. Alexie Navalny discovered this pheonomonon about 10 years ago and tried to tell the Russian people. Since he started to expose those TRUTHS, he was targeted for years then finally murdered last month. There is a lot more than meets the eye going on regarding this crucial Russia vs Ukraine conflict and the importance of it as it pertains to the USA and the whole western world. That’s why the present conflict between the Russian invaders and the people and Zelenskyy who are fighting for their country against the criminal invaders is so important to the USA and the rest of the world. Instead of reading the Sputnik disinfo blog, Zerohedge every day, take a few days off and read Red Notice….You might learn something..
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Your link:

"According to the Times report, Ukraine's Security Service head Valentyn Nalyvaichenko, first sought the assistance of the CIA and Britain's MI6 to rebuild the country's intelligence agency on February 24, 2014 — exactly eight years before Russia invaded Ukraine..."

"'That's how it all started,' Nalyvaichenko told The Times.

"After realizing that Ukraine's intelligence agency could be an asset to the US, the CIA agreed to support Ukraine, which initially came in the form of communications supply and training, the Times report said.

"But the spy agency also had misgivings about the partnership, partly because it did not want to cross a boundary that would provoke Russia."

Eight years from now?
Will we see SVR machinations in Mexico like what the Russians are seeing today in Ukraine?
Russian troops invaded Donbas in 2014. Did the CIA help Ukraine? Yes. So what?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
The US is lousy with Russian spies, many of whom have coopted NRA officials, several congress creatures and have been grooming Trump since the 1970s. So now you call Ukraine a huge evil CIA operation.

Well, this deal has been going on since 1946 Ralphie. After the fall of the Berlin Wall and the breakup of the USSR and the creation of dozens of new free Republics in their region, the Russians could have and should have created a state that would cooperate and trade with their neighbors to the benefit of all concerned instead of what it has become. They were headed in that direction until they elected scummy KGB agent Putin who decided to create an international Kleptocracy the likes of which the world has never seen.

Years back I read a book called Red Notice by Bill Browder. Browder was a guy who once worked closely with Putin in the early days post USSR. At that time Russia was trying to transition from a failed, broke Communist state into a modern day capitalist republic and there were plenty of greedy capitalists like Browder there raking in profits for themselves and trying to teach Putin how those successful countries operate.

At one point, Browder who had just made a ton of money operating in Russia paid $400 million in taxes to the Russian Federation and noticed that the money he had paid never got to where it was sent. He, being a close associate of Putin reported that missing money to his then friend Putin in an attempt to prosecute the thief. Putin first thanked Browder and vowed to arrest that thief and restore order over there regarding mass corruption. All of a sudden, Browder became persona non grata in Russia and a target of Putin’s international murder squad and still is to this day.

That’s when Russia transitioned from a budding Wild West style free Republic with tons of land and natural resources into a worldwide criminal kleptocracy. Putin realized that he could be the richest person on earth if he went along with the thieving murderers and that if he stood up to them he would most likely become another guy who fell out of a window, was poisoned or whose plane fell out of the sky.

From that point on Putin and his inner circle have acted not as a leader working on behalf of his people but rather as the head of a huge international mafia that makes the old Italian “La Cosa Nostra“ look like a gang of street punks by comparison. They are deeply entrenched here in the US and at this time they have seized control of one of the two political parties in the US.

That’s what we as Americans and the rest of the world are dealing with here. Alexie Navalny discovered this pheonomonon about 10 years ago and tried to tell the Russian people. Since he started to expose those TRUTHS, he was targeted for years then finally murdered last month. There is a lot more than meets the eye going on regarding this crucial Russia vs Ukraine conflict and the importance of it as it pertains to the USA and the whole western world. That’s why the present conflict between the Russian invaders and the people and Zelenskyy who are fighting for their country against the criminal invaders is so important to the USA and the rest of the world. Instead of reading the Sputnik disinfo blog, Zerohedge every day, take a few days off and read Red Notice….You might learn something..
Russian spies were in the US long before 1946...look up the Rosenbergs. They helped steal specs of the nuclear bombs even during the Manhattan project.
 
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