What a shock - Biden's CIA director, in 2008 wrote a prophetic memo regarding Ukraine/NATO...

[Raoul_Luke]

So their opinions match yours. Good for you. Much they write runs into what Putin said about why he invaded. Where did any of those "well respected" experts mention the need to "denazify" Ukraine?
Putin compared himself to Peter the Great, Russia's first emperor, in trying to justify his invasion of Ukraine

Putin compared himself to Peter the Great, Russia's first emperor, in trying to justify his invasion of Ukraine

Putin said Peter the Great's 18th century war with Sweden was to "return" land that was rightfully Russia's and compared it to his actions in Ukraine.

www.businessinsider.com

So if you are suggesting that I, too, was "100% correct" I guess we agree.

Yes, because no one ever lied their nation into war...

 

[Raoul_Luke]

Putin did. He claimed Ukraine was a threat to Russia and he would have to demilitarize the country and denazify it.

So now you believe him, but when he said for two decades that NATO in Ukraine was a "red line" you think he was lying? LOL!

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

How does "NATO leading Ukraine down a primrose path" to get "wrecked" make this awful war Ukraine's fault?

You’re wandering all over the place. Try to remember your idiocy.

 

[middleview]

So now you believe him, but when he said for two decades that NATO in Ukraine was a "red line" you think he was lying? LOL!

Did Ukraine join NATO? No.

 

[georgephillip]

Posting the same opinion from a guy who fled to Russia is not proof. It also isn't very convincing. How did the US embassy get 800,000 people to demonstrate against the Pro-Moscow government in Kyiv?

By investing $5 billion over a decade to "promote democracy".

"In 2010 Viktor Yanukovych and his pro-Russian 'Party of Regions' won the free, fair, open and democratic presidential election certified by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE).

"On June 23, 2011 two emissaries of the Obama administration — the head of Google, Eric Schmidt, and his aide, and former subordinate to Hillary Clinton in the U.S. State Department, Jared Cohen — visited Julian Assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, pretending to be on his side, while deceiving him to reveal to them ways to reach out online to members of Ukraine’s pro-nazi organizations in order to generate mobs for the demonstrations which were to be organized on Kiev’s Maidan Square to overthrow Ukraine’s President."

https://www.conservapedia.com/Maidan_coup#The_most_blatant_coup_in_history

 

[georgephillip]

Your interest in (potentially revisionist) history is fascinating, but Putin invaded in 2022, not 2014.

2014 was when a US-supported coup instigated a civil war in Ukraine that killed 14,000 Ukrainians by 2022; who got rich(er) from that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas_(2014–2022)

1949 was when the US first began fighting for regime change in Moscow to the last drop of Ukrainian blood.

https://news.yahoo.com/covert-operation-back-ukrainian-independence-083000650.html

 

[georgephillip]

Kiev's internal crisis becoming critical?

https://infobrics.org/post/37539/

"Kiev's internal crisis is becoming clearer day after day. Alexey Arestovich, top adviser to the Ukrainian president, resigned from his post after admitting that the tragedy in Dnepr was provoked by the Ukrainian forces themselves.

"The adviser's resignation exposes internal weaknesses of the neo-Nazi regime, contradicting the western narrative about what happens in Kiev.

"In a failed attempt to praise Ukraine's air defense system, top counselor Alexey Arestovich revealed that the recent attack on a civilian area in Dnepr was caused by Ukrainian forces.

"According to him, the Kiev defense had shot on Russian missiles in Dnepr, leading, as a side-effect, to the incident against civilian buildings in the region. Immediately, listeners took his assertions as a confession that Kiev was responsible for the deaths of civilians in the Dnepr, contradicting the narrative that the Russians had deliberately bombed the region"

 

[middleview]

By investing $5 billion over a decade to "promote democracy".

"In 2010 Viktor Yanukovych and his pro-Russian 'Party of Regions' won the free, fair, open and democratic presidential election certified by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE).

"On June 23, 2011 two emissaries of the Obama administration — the head of Google, Eric Schmidt, and his aide, and former subordinate to Hillary Clinton in the U.S. State Department, Jared Cohen — visited Julian Assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, pretending to be on his side, while deceiving him to reveal to them ways to reach out online to members of Ukraine’s pro-nazi organizations in order to generate mobs for the demonstrations which were to be organized on Kiev’s Maidan Square to overthrow Ukraine’s President."

https://www.conservapedia.com/Maidan_coup#The_most_blatant_coup_in_history

So in June 2011 they visited him in the embassy, but he didn't request asylum there until 2012...oops.

 

[georgephillip]

So in June 2011 they visited him in the embassy, but he didn't request asylum there until 2012...oops.

Ya got me.
The meeting took place when Assange was under house arrest in the UK:

https://wikileaks.org/Transcript-Meeting-Assange-Schmidt?nocache

"On the 23 of June, 2011 a secret five hour meeting took place between WikiLeaks publisher Julian Assange, who was under house arrest in rural UK at the time and Google CEO Eric Schmidt.

"Also in attendance was Jared Cohen, a former Secretary of State advisor to Hillary Clinton, Scott Malcomson, Director of Speechwriting for Ambassador Susan Rice at the US State Department and current Communications Director of the International Crisis Group, and Lisa Shields, Vice President of the Council on Foreign Relations."

 

[middleview]

Ya got me.
The meeting took place when Assange was under house arrest in the UK:

https://wikileaks.org/Transcript-Meeting-Assange-Schmidt?nocache

"On the 23 of June, 2011 a secret five hour meeting took place between WikiLeaks publisher Julian Assange, who was under house arrest in rural UK at the time and Google CEO Eric Schmidt.

"Also in attendance was Jared Cohen, a former Secretary of State advisor to Hillary Clinton, Scott Malcomson, Director of Speechwriting for Ambassador Susan Rice at the US State Department and current Communications Director of the International Crisis Group, and Lisa Shields, Vice President of the Council on Foreign Relations."

Cohen was working for Google at that time. Scott Malcomson worked for Time magazine until 2011. I can find nothing about him being a speech writer at the state department....
Lisa Shields has never worked for the US government.
The transcript of the meeting does not mention Ukraine.

 

[georgephillip]

Cohen was working for Google at that time. Scott Malcomson worked for Time magazine until 2011. I can find nothing about him being a speech writer at the state department....
Lisa Shields has never worked for the US government.
The transcript of the meeting does not mention Ukraine.

I couldn't find any specific mention of Ukraine either.
Do you suspect any imperialistic ambitions in this allegation?

https://www.conservapedia.com/Maidan_coup

"In the same month the Obama administration quietly put out for bid to American contractors their planned project to renovate a school in Sevastopol, in Crimea, in Ukraine, in the location where Russia since 1783 had (and still has) its largest naval base:

"Federal Contract Opportunity for Renovation of Sevastopol School #5, Ukraine N33191-13-R-1240. The NAICS Category is 236220 - Commercial and Institutional Building Construction. Posted Aug 20, 2013. Posted by the Naval Facilities Engineering Command (DOD - Navy). The work will be performed at Sevastopol 99000.[20]

"This was before the Maidan coup, and there were 28 years still remaining on Russia’s lease there.

"That part of their plan — to terminate that contract and replace Russia’s largest naval base, by yet another U.S. naval base — got foiled by Russia’s President, Vladimir Putin, protecting Crimeans when they (as soon as the coup occurred) demanded to have a referendum on becoming restored again to being a part of Russia, as they had been between 1783 and 1954 (when the Soviet dictator arbitrarily transferred Crimea, from the Russian part, to the Ukrainian part, of the Soviet Government).[21]"

 

[middleview]

I couldn't find any specific mention of Ukraine either.
Do you suspect any imperialistic ambitions in this allegation?

https://www.conservapedia.com/Maidan_coup

"In the same month the Obama administration quietly put out for bid to American contractors their planned project to renovate a school in Sevastopol, in Crimea, in Ukraine, in the location where Russia since 1783 had (and still has) its largest naval base:

"Federal Contract Opportunity for Renovation of Sevastopol School #5, Ukraine N33191-13-R-1240. The NAICS Category is 236220 - Commercial and Institutional Building Construction. Posted Aug 20, 2013. Posted by the Naval Facilities Engineering Command (DOD - Navy). The work will be performed at Sevastopol 99000.[20]

"This was before the Maidan coup, and there were 28 years still remaining on Russia’s lease there.

"That part of their plan — to terminate that contract and replace Russia’s largest naval base, by yet another U.S. naval base — got foiled by Russia’s President, Vladimir Putin, protecting Crimeans when they (as soon as the coup occurred) demanded to have a referendum on becoming restored again to being a part of Russia, as they had been between 1783 and 1954 (when the Soviet dictator arbitrarily transferred Crimea, from the Russian part, to the Ukrainian part, of the Soviet Government).[21]"

Let me get this straight:

Sevastopol School #5, was going to be a Navy base?

 

[georgephillip]

Let me get this straight:

Sevastopol School #5, was going to be a Navy base?

Not anymore.

 

[middleview]

Not anymore.

Or ever

 

[Raoul_Luke]

Did Ukraine join NATO? No.

Only an idiot would suggest Putin should have waited until Ukraine became a full member of NATO to invade...

 

[Raoul_Luke]

You’re wandering all over the place. Try to remember your idiocy.

I'm sure that's what it looks like to someone like yourself who is tethered to the latest DNC talking points, but it's called "freedom of speech."

 

[middleview]

Only an idiot would suggest Putin should have waited until Ukraine became a full member of NATO to invade...

only a disreputable and dishonest moron would suggest that Putin considered Ukraine a threat. Clearly Putin thought Ukraine so weak that it would surrender in days.
Was there even an application for membership in Nato under consideration? No.

Did you know that the process of membership could not have moved forward as long as fighting in Donbas went on? Nations involved in warfare are not eligible.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

I'm sure that's what it looks like to someone like yourself who is tethered to the latest DNC talking points, but it's called "freedom of speech."

You have absolute freedom to wander all over the place. And I have absolute freedom to ridicule you for doing it.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

You have absolute freedom to wander all over the place. And I have absolute freedom to ridicule you for doing it.

You call what you do here "ridicule? Your hackish "ridicule" carries all the gravitas of a, well, dodge, because that is what it is.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

only a disreputable and dishonest moron would suggest that Putin considered Ukraine a threat. Clearly Putin thought Ukraine so weak that it would surrender in days.
Was there even an application for membership in Nato under consideration? No.

Did you know that the process of membership could not have moved forward as long as fighting in Donbas went on? Nations involved in warfare are not eligible.

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