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Will MAGA Mike Johnson STILL block a vote on Ukraine aid bill?

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You're forgetting how Yeltsin was polling in the single digits in 1995 when he turned to Clinton for help, with NATO expansion first on his list:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/06/26/russian-election-interference-meddling/

"'Let’s postpone NATO expansion for a year and a half or two years,' Yeltsin suggested, according to newly released U.S. government transcripts. 'There’s no need to rile the situation up before the elections.'"

Then there's the IMF loans that allowed Yeltsin to slightly improve Russian living standards which had nosedived during US shock therapy:

"'Then there is the matter of finances, which is not proceeding very well,' Yeltsin said in early May, before dropping all pretenses and urging Clinton to interfere in the contest directly. 'Bill, for my election campaign, I urgently need for Russia a loan of $2.5 billion.'

"Clinton suggested an alternative approach: getting the IMF, a third-party institution, to quicken its payments to Russia. 'I’ll check on this with the IMF and with some of our friends and see what can be done,' he said. 'I think this is the only way it can be done.'"
So no wonder Putin invaded Ukraine in 2022....of course.:rolleyes:
 

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Where is Zelensky's commitment to democracy?
Obviously, 20% of Ukrainians would not participate, but it would be worth knowing how many of the remaining 80% of Ukrainians continue to support their (coup) government.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1100076/volodymyr-zelensky-s-approval-rating-ukraine/#:~:text=In February 2023, over 90,level as in June 2022.
The Ukrainian constitution does not allow an election in time of war..and yes, those in occupied Donbas, Crimea and those imprisoned in Russia could not vote.
 
The Ukrainian constitution does not allow an election in time of war..and yes, those in occupied Donbas, Crimea and those imprisoned in Russia could not vote.
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/wartime-ukraines-election-dilemma

"On the one hand, there are legal grounds, popular consent and elites’ agreement that trying to hold elections during wartime could hinder internal stability."

What's the problem with any election that "could hinder internal stability" OF a puppet government willing to maim, murder, and displace millions of its own citizens for the greater glory of NATO.
 

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https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/wartime-ukraines-election-dilemma

"On the one hand, there are legal grounds, popular consent and elites’ agreement that trying to hold elections during wartime could hinder internal stability."

What's the problem with any election that "could hinder internal stability" OF a puppet government willing to maim, murder, and displace millions of its own citizens for the greater glory of NATO.
Putin started the war, not NATO.
 

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https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/wartime-ukraines-election-dilemma

"On the one hand, there are legal grounds, popular consent and elites’ agreement that trying to hold elections during wartime could hinder internal stability."

What's the problem with any election that "could hinder internal stability" OF a puppet government willing to maim, murder, and displace millions of its own citizens for the greater glory of NATO.
Your link states clearly the issue of the safety of people trying to vote...not like Putin would target voters...right?
 
So no wonder Putin invaded Ukraine in 2022....of course.:rolleyes:
What does Putin's SMO in 2022 have to do with Yeltsin's sell-out to Wall Street in 1996?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIMACO#:~:text=Fitch Ratings estimated $136 billion,Russia between 1993 and 1998.

"Fitch Ratings estimated $136 billion had been looted from Russia between 1993 and 1998 and Lloyd's of London estimated $200 billion to $500 billion had been looted from Russia between 1993 and 1998.[125]

"In August 1999, the Russian national police (MVD) concluded that large sums had left Russia and, according to intelligence sources, an estimated $350 billion had been looted from Russia during the 1990s which led Fritz Ermarth, a former CIA analyst for Russia in the 1990s, to state that 'We have outright criminals at one end, but at the other end we call them statesmen.'"
 

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What does Putin's SMO in 2022 have to do with Yeltsin's sell-out to Wall Street in 1996?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIMACO#:~:text=Fitch Ratings estimated $136 billion,Russia between 1993 and 1998.

"Fitch Ratings estimated $136 billion had been looted from Russia between 1993 and 1998 and Lloyd's of London estimated $200 billion to $500 billion had been looted from Russia between 1993 and 1998.[125]

"In August 1999, the Russian national police (MVD) concluded that large sums had left Russia and, according to intelligence sources, an estimated $350 billion had been looted from Russia during the 1990s which led Fritz Ermarth, a former CIA analyst for Russia in the 1990s, to state that 'We have outright criminals at one end, but at the other end we call them statesmen.'"
Putin and his pals did pretty well.
 

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He killed Ukrainians without remorse between 2019 and 2022.
I suspect he will kill anyone he's paid to kill.
If you are talking about the pro-Russian militia and Russian troops fighting to take control of Donbas...they were also killing Ukrainians...
 
If you are talking about the pro-Russian militia and Russian troops fighting to take control of Donbas...they were also killing Ukrainians...
Which side was fighting against a U$-instigated coup government?
The U$ invested $5 billion over 13 years to fund, organize, and instigate an armed rebellion that drove a duly elected president from office.

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/11/14/ray-mcgovern-ukraine-for-dummies/
  • "Dec. 2013: In a speech to the U.S.-Ukraine Foundation, Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland says: 'The United States has supported Ukraine’s European aspirations. … We have invested over $5 billion to assist Ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic Ukraine.'
  • "Feb. 4, 2014: Amid rioting on the Maidan in Kiev, YouTube carries Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland’s last minute instructions to U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt regarding the U.S. pick for new Ukrainian prime minister, Arseniy Yatsenyuk (aka 'Yats') and other plans for the imminent coup d’etat in Kiev. When Pyatt expresses concern about EU misgivings about mounting a coup, Nuland says '[Unwelcome language removed] the EU.' She then apologizes to the EU a day or two later — for the profanity, not for the coup. She also says that Vice President Joe Biden will help 'glue this thing together', meaning the coup.
  • "Feb. 22, 2014: Coup d’etat in Kyiv; appropriately labeled 'the most blatant coup in history' by George Friedman, then President of the widely respected think-tank STRATFOR.
  • "Feb. 23, 2014: The date that NATO, Western diplomats, and the corporate media have chosen – disingenuously – as the beginning of recent European history, with silence about the coup orchestrated in Kyiv the day before."
 

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Which side was fighting against a U$-instigated coup government?
The U$ invested $5 billion over 13 years to fund, organize, and instigate an armed rebellion that drove a duly elected president from office.

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/11/14/ray-mcgovern-ukraine-for-dummies/
  • "Dec. 2013: In a speech to the U.S.-Ukraine Foundation, Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland says: 'The United States has supported Ukraine’s European aspirations. … We have invested over $5 billion to assist Ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic Ukraine.'
  • "Feb. 4, 2014: Amid rioting on the Maidan in Kiev, YouTube carries Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland’s last minute instructions to U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt regarding the U.S. pick for new Ukrainian prime minister, Arseniy Yatsenyuk (aka 'Yats') and other plans for the imminent coup d’etat in Kiev. When Pyatt expresses concern about EU misgivings about mounting a coup, Nuland says '[Unwelcome language removed] the EU.' She then apologizes to the EU a day or two later — for the profanity, not for the coup. She also says that Vice President Joe Biden will help 'glue this thing together', meaning the coup.
  • "Feb. 22, 2014: Coup d’etat in Kyiv; appropriately labeled 'the most blatant coup in history' by George Friedman, then President of the widely respected think-tank STRATFOR.
  • "Feb. 23, 2014: The date that NATO, Western diplomats, and the corporate media have chosen – disingenuously – as the beginning of recent European history, with silence about the coup orchestrated in Kyiv the day before."
On 22 February 2014, the Verkhovna Rada voted 328–0 to dismiss Yanukovych as president.

and you call it a coup? The vote was because he had ordered his security forces to open fire on demonstrators. Over 100 were killed. In 2014 Petro Poroshenko won the presidency and served a full presidential term until 2019, losing to Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
 
On 22 February 2014, the Verkhovna Rada voted 328–0 to dismiss Yanukovych as president.

and you call it a coup? The vote was because he had ordered his security forces to open fire on demonstrators. Over 100 were killed. In 2014 Petro Poroshenko won the presidency and served a full presidential term until 2019, losing to Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
22 February 2014 is two days after far-right Maidan snipers murdered protestors and police officers alike as part of a violent coup that drove a duly elected president from office.

What happened in Ukraine in 2014 is just one more example of a US foreign policy that subverts foreign governments in pursuit of economic gain for the American investor class.


https://mronline.org/2024/02/22/buried-trial-verdict-confirms-false-flag-maidan-massacre-in-ukraine/

"A nearly one-million-word verdict from Ukraine’s Maidan massacre trial has recently confirmed that many Maidan activists were shot not by members of Ukraine’s Berkut special police force or other law enforcement personnel but by snipers in the far-right-controlled Hotel Ukraina and other Maidan-controlled locations a decade ago today.

"The verdict, handed down on October 18, 2023, states specifically that this hotel was controlled by Maidan activists and that an armed, far-right-linked Maidan group was in the hotel and fired from it.

"It also confirms that there was no Russian involvement in the massacre and that no massacre orders were issued by then President Viktor Yanukovych or his ministers."
 

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22 February 2014 is two days after far-right Maidan snipers murdered protestors and police officers alike as part of a violent coup that drove a duly elected president from office.

What happened in Ukraine in 2014 is just one more example of a US foreign policy that subverts foreign governments in pursuit of economic gain for the American investor class.


https://mronline.org/2024/02/22/buried-trial-verdict-confirms-false-flag-maidan-massacre-in-ukraine/

"A nearly one-million-word verdict from Ukraine’s Maidan massacre trial has recently confirmed that many Maidan activists were shot not by members of Ukraine’s Berkut special police force or other law enforcement personnel but by snipers in the far-right-controlled Hotel Ukraina and other Maidan-controlled locations a decade ago today.

"The verdict, handed down on October 18, 2023, states specifically that this hotel was controlled by Maidan activists and that an armed, far-right-linked Maidan group was in the hotel and fired from it.

"It also confirms that there was no Russian involvement in the massacre and that no massacre orders were issued by then President Viktor Yanukovych or his ministers."
Your link to MRONLINE isn't worth shit.

That far right group was pro-Yanukovich. Most of those killed were demonstrators, not police.

Guardian reporters saw 21 corpses on Independence Square, the crucible of the mass rebellion against Yanukovych, and in a nearby hotel converted into a makeshift field hospital. But the full death toll was impossible to verify: Oleh Musiy, head doctor for the opposition movement, said 70 protesters died on Thursday, bringing the death toll in 72 hours to about 100. The health ministry said 67 people had been killed and 562 wounded since Tuesday. The interior ministry said three police were killed on Thursday .

Pro-Russia sources went even further, pushing the notion that the Feb. 20 killings were a “false flag” operation carried out by snipers associated with the protesters, or mercenaries from the country of Georgia, who were said to have shot down from nearby buildings. To this day, the story continues to circulate on Kremlin-funded media like Sputnik and RT.
Who Killed the Kiev Protesters? A 3-D Model Holds the Clues - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
 
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