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You know what went away after two years?

She is not in expert in any field related to vaccination or control of infectious disease. She's just a lay-person when it comes to that.

Anyway, it really points out how nuts her ideas were that when I quoted them verbatim, you naturally assumed they couldn't possibly be quotations from her work. That's how crazy they are: even her devotees can't believe anyone would be unhinged enough to make such a claim.

As for Van Leewenhoek, there's a reason that when you Google "discoverer of bacteria," his name pops up in big bold letters at the very top of the list.

Regarding inferiority complexes, in I'll just remind you that you just dismissed the whole of the expert community as the "medical mafia." Does that sound like a woman who is secure in her views?
So according to you the only persons who may speak of vaccine safety are the vaccinators themselves - the definition of 'the word' which may not be challenged is dogma.

THE PhD N. D. is a respected four year degree leading to careers in hospitals as well as outside the established allopathic clinics - research is another avenue taken by N.D. graduates so to state that she can know nothing of vaccines is just plain daft - she studied looking at the whole person to discover their ails and would easily have been accepted in clinic and hospitals were the evil ones work their evil vaccine magic.

What I said about you cherry picking to twist a true meaning stands --- I am not repeating myself.

Irrelevant to vaccines.

Watch my lips .... Medical Mafia. Don't bump you head, on the floor, as you faint out of outrage.
 
Thanks to society no longer dismissing deaths as vaguely caused by "old age," we've managed to give people many more years of healthy and productive life. There was a time, not so very long ago, where people were considered to have died of old age when they dropped dead in their 60's. Yet often that was caused by something that could be remedied with modern medicine, buying people decades more life. This has been a huge improvement.
Quack Whack

"Dying of old age" does mean dying of a specific disease, such as the cronyvirus, but one that a younger person could have handled easily and recovered quickly from, without Pharmafia making a dime off him. Also, older people could have been born with an immunity to it, but lose that immunity from old age.
 
Understood. I meant more in terms of the context of the mandate. For example, should private employers be able to make COVID vaccination a condition of employment, or should government step in and tell them they're not allowed to do that? Should those who care for the elderly in assisted living facilities be required to be vaccinated, to lower the risk of them passing along the deadly disease to their charges, or should they be free to be reckless?

I'm not in favor of a blanket COVID vaccine mandate, where everybody must get vaccinated. I am, however, comfortable with requiring proof of vaccination before people enter into public settings with High risk of transmission.
Believe in Common Sense, Not Commie Science

It's not contagious. It's in the air, everywhere. But only in air with reduced auto emissions.
 
So which is it...are the experts self appointed or were they appointed by the ruling class? Make up your mind.



Do you actually trust the Chinese numbers? Funny that you are pretty sure that the US doctors and hospitals, CDC are lying, but trust them.
"Who Wants to Be Our Flunky? Raise Your Hand."

I trust numbers that make sense. This virus originated in China thousands of years ago. Only the immune survived and passed on their immunity to the whole race.
 

Mina Park

Council Member
So according to you the only persons who may speak of vaccine safety are the vaccinators themselves
No. That's a straw man attack. Anyone can speak of vaccine safety. However, when people with no education or experience in any relevant field express views directly contrary to pretty much everyone who has made a serious study of the issue, it's natural that all sane people will hold those opinions in very little regard.

THE PhD N. D. is a respected four year degree [.quote]

I have no doubt you can find some people who respect that degree. But the point is simply that it confers zero expertise in the fields of virology, immunology, epidemiology, public health, or anything else that would be relevant to the issue at hand.

Now, if topic were how to make undereducated and terminally bored housewives experience a strong placebo effect using a tincture of nothing, then of course we would consult homeopathic practitioners, since that's the area they have a great deal of expertise. But here we're talking about real medicine fighting a real virus.
 

Mina Park

Council Member
Quack Whack

"Dying of old age" does mean dying of a specific disease, such as the cronyvirus, but one that a younger person could have handled easily and recovered quickly from, without Pharmafia making a dime off him. Also, older people could have been born with an immunity to it, but lose that immunity from old age.
Yes, viruses can have different impacts, on average, on people of different ages, and this particular Coronavirus hits older people particularly hard. However, it's been such a prolific killer that it's even taken out huge numbers of people in younger groups. That includes 23,501 people in their 40's (just in the US), 9,240 in their 30's, and 3,212 between 18-29. That death toll, just in the 18-29 age range, is well over the death toll of 9/11, to put it in perspective. And even with kids, it has killed 439 Americans. That's a higher death toll than a full decade of school shootings.
 

EatTheRich

President
They have proven effective at allowing the vaccinated to still get sick on an experimental gene therapy injection basis. In Israel the efficacy of the vaccine is waning and requiring a 2nd booster shot (3rd total shot). The experimental nature precludes health authorities from definitively being able to say 3rd, 4th, or 5th booster are or are not needed going into the future. At a population level that is a disaster.



Until the season changes and the efficacy of the "vaccine" wanes with time?


It most definitely is. The sick vaccinated affords the virus a chance to mutate away from the vaccine and/or become more deadly for all or just the unvaxxed. I don't know how you could have said that at all.


Psssst... antivirals.



You can't short change the passage of time. Nobody knows what the vaccine may or may not do to the vaccinated 3 years down the road let alone 5 years and with increasing booster counts. No, you're kidding yourself.
The virus would not be epidemic and able to continue evolving if we had enough of the population vaccinated to have herd immunity.
 

God of War

Lets go Brandon!
The virus would not be epidemic and able to continue evolving if we had enough of the population vaccinated to have herd immunity.
This vaccine is not anywhere near being a sterilizing vaccine so what you're saying is just plain dumb, sorry.

Load up on Vitamin D, Some C, take zinc, get some Ivermectin, find out where you can get some government Regeneron if you get sick. Inhaled corticosteroid too. Stay away from sugar. Physical intervention such as mouth wash and nasal washes (Netty pot and the like with boiled sterile water) also help. I'd rely only your 2 shots to carry a lot of the load. Of course the 3rd shot is up to you.

If you get long covid I hear fluvoxamine (sp?) can help clear brain fog.

If you got sick and cleared the virus congrats. You're the lottery winner in life and in immunity to Covid.

Have you seen this website? https://covid19criticalcare.com/
 

write on

Governor
This vaccine is not anywhere near being a sterilizing vaccine so what you're saying is just plain dumb, sorry.

Load up on Vitamin D, Some C, take zinc, get some Ivermectin, find out where you can get some government Regeneron if you get sick. Inhaled corticosteroid too. Stay away from sugar. Physical intervention such as mouth wash and nasal washes (Netty pot and the like with boiled sterile water) also help. I'd rely only your 2 shots to carry a lot of the load. Of course the 3rd shot is up to you.

If you get long covid I hear fluvoxamine (sp?) can help clear brain fog.

If you got sick and cleared the virus congrats. You're the lottery winner in life and in immunity to Covid.

Have you seen this website? https://covid19criticalcare.com/
OK, I'll bite.

What were the differences in mutations and the science behind them?
 
No. That's a straw man attack. Anyone can speak of vaccine safety. However, when people with no education or experience in any relevant field express views directly contrary to pretty much everyone who has made a serious study of the issue, it's natural that all sane people will hold those opinions in very little regard.
How so, a strawman? Make up your mind as to who and who not has the right to criticize medical practices. I beleive that as well learning anatomy, biology ect earlier, in connection with the body, the fourth year of an N. D. degree is an intense study of pharmaceuticals.

We are not speaking of homeopathy - N. D's may prescribe drugs depending, in the US, on the licience any given State might give.

Now shall we put Eleanor's abilities to research our subject to bed? This old trick of shooting the messanger gets tiresome and now I have completely forgotten what we were arguing about - which was probably the purpose of your messanger shoot ......
 

EatTheRich

President
How so, a strawman? Make up your mind as to who and who not has the right to criticize medical practices. I beleive that as well learning anatomy, biology ect earlier, in connection with the body, the fourth year of an N. D. degree is an intense study of pharmaceuticals.

We are not speaking of homeopathy - N. D's may prescribe drugs depending, in the US, on the licience any given State might give.

Now shall we put Eleanor's abilities to research our subject to bed? This old trick of shooting the messanger gets tiresome and now I have completely forgotten what we were arguing about - which was probably the purpose of your messanger shoot ......
Anyone has the RIGHT to criticize medical practices. But only those who rely on evidence have the ABILITY to do so.
 

EatTheRich

President
This vaccine is not anywhere near being a sterilizing vaccine so what you're saying is just plain dumb, sorry.

Load up on Vitamin D, Some C, take zinc, get some Ivermectin, find out where you can get some government Regeneron if you get sick. Inhaled corticosteroid too. Stay away from sugar. Physical intervention such as mouth wash and nasal washes (Netty pot and the like with boiled sterile water) also help. I'd rely only your 2 shots to carry a lot of the load. Of course the 3rd shot is up to you.

If you get long covid I hear fluvoxamine (sp?) can help clear brain fog.

If you got sick and cleared the virus congrats. You're the lottery winner in life and in immunity to Covid.

Have you seen this website? https://covid19criticalcare.com/
The vaccine lowers the chance of catching Covid-19 by about 40% and cuts your risk if infected of spreading it to someone else about in half. That's enough that if every recommended person got it, the reproduction rate of the virus would drop below 1 and we'd see exponential decay in the number of cases rather than the present exponential growth.
 

God of War

Lets go Brandon!
The vaccine lowers the chance of catching Covid-19 by about 40% and cuts your risk if infected of spreading it to someone else about in half. That's enough that if every recommended person got it, the reproduction rate of the virus would drop below 1 and we'd see exponential decay in the number of cases rather than the present exponential growth.
What you say does not match up with Israel's story and you need to learn different adjectives to growth patterns linear, geometric, exponential and learn to use them in a sense appropriate to the circumstance.

 
The vaccine lowers the chance of catching Covid-19 by about 40% and cuts your risk if infected of spreading it to someone else about in half. That's enough that if every recommended person got it, the reproduction rate of the virus would drop below 1 and we'd see exponential decay in the number of cases rather than the present exponential growth.
The vaccine bloody gives people the very disease that it purports to protect a body against.
 

Mina Park

Council Member
How so, a strawman?
It's a straw man because I never suggested they can't speak on the topic. I've just pointed out that sane people regard their opinions as having no value.

Now shall we put Eleanor's abilities to research our subject to bed?
We already did. As you'll recall, I quoted her actual writings, in which she insisted that bacteria, viruses, and parasites couldn't actually cause disease in a healthy person, but rather were mere side effects of poisoning from things like vaccines. Then we all had a good laugh at her expense. She never actually researched the subject. She just pulled lies out of her copious backside, which took in some undereducated people.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Either vaccines work or they don't. The worst thing that can happen is a vaccine like this one that is failing to such a degree that the vaccinated become incubators of potentially worse disease. Furthermore, this, despite the lie of it, remains an experimental gene therapy injection. The only exception for mandate I'd feel was justified because of the nature of the disease is requiring the vaccine for nursing home workers, or the use of anti-viral medication prophylactically.
Are the majority (the vast majority) of those hospitalized for Covid vaccinated or unvaccinated?

The vaccine works to minimize the symptoms and impact of the disease. At present it looks as though efficacy diminishes over time...something we could only know by having done exactly as we have.

If you knew the vaccine lasted 8 to 10 months would you have canceled vaccinations?
 

God of War

Lets go Brandon!
Are the majority (the vast majority) of those hospitalized for Covid vaccinated or unvaccinated?
Ask Israel. And to be honest I don't implicitly trust our system anymore. That distrust began for this epidemic when Fauci said masks didn't work. I was literally done with him the day he said that.

The vaccine works to minimize the symptoms and impact of the disease. At present it looks as though efficacy diminishes over time...something we could only know by having done exactly as we have.
And knowing helps how?

If you knew the vaccine lasted 8 to 10 months would you have canceled vaccinations?
Actually, yes. Brand new tech never before proven at all? Introcuding the S protein spike directly into people. The S protein spike is the vascular disease. Pure S protein was injected into mice and it destroyed the mice.
 
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